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***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

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tom76 said:
if you remember who or can figure it out please PM me and let me know...i follow p3, pyde, and miami on twitter already but would like this other piece of the puzzle...thanx!
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Sorry, I misspoke. It wasn't a member of TBH. It was a member here, GMK83. I believe he is known to be a tester and has the LTE version.

Anyway he sent out a post this morning saying he got an update this morning. When asked what the version was, he stated 4.0.3.

http://androidforums.com/samsung-ga...isis-wallet-cause-delay-1457.html#post3613047

Link to the post.
 
The fact this phone has been delayed this long can and does only point to one thing. Greed. Greed by Big Red and to the point that I truly feel they will have a bigger dragon to worry about legally......Samsung. At this point I will be all in Samsung's court as they are the true losers in this whole debacle as they have the most invested at this point. This is ridiculous, it is all about who's unit is bigger than the other in corporate world and guess who bites it all; You guessed it, "Joe Blow". After all this fiasco created by Verizon if this phone isn't released this week coming up then when my contract is up "I AM DONE WITH VERIZON". I will waive my current 22% on service and 25% on accessories as I feel this is my time to say screw you too Verizon as they have and always will look out for #1 while avoiding their primary revenue, the customers that pay for their dear network.
 
I just got back from the bar and the first thing I did when I got home was get on this forum. I obviously need professional help.

Anyways...going to vent here a little bit. I've been rocking the OG Droid for quite some time now. Every week, I tell myself that the phone can't possibly get any more useless. I charge it 4-5 times a day. The keyboard fails 3-4 times a day, requiring a battery pull. I am only able to answer 75% of my phone calls because my screen is unresponsive when I receive a call. No memory/processor intensive games work anymore, even overclocked at 1 GHz. It takes 5-10 seconds to load any app, including the stock messaging app. I'm having really bad redraw problems.

I'm having a predicament, possibly induced by alcohol consumption. I never wanted to be THAT GUY but I am close to pulling an ultimatum. If the GN isn't released this weak, I will strongly consider switching carriers. T-Mobile, Sprint and ATT have great service in my city and I don't travel much. I've always wanted the SGSII. It seems like a viable alternative to the GN. So if my Droid croaks this week, prior to a GN announcement, I might just be switching carriers to pick up an SGSII.

Please don't hate me.
 
Lights Out, I don't want to hear another peep till breakfast.

Eh, working late. I have to be up and available to support an intern in the field who is waiting for Jody to finish.
 
nexus15 said:
I still disagree. If this were true we would have to ask if the Canadian carriers, European carriers and if AT&T and T-mobile (with the Nexus S) are also blocking Wallet.

Simply not true, but that's one man's opinion.
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I think that Wallet only works in the US, so international providers wouldn't matter. About AT&T and T-Mobile? Couldn't tell you why you cannot download it on the GSM Nexus S.
 
jt02gt said:
The fact this phone has been delayed this long can and does only point to one thing. Greed. Greed by Big Red and to the point that I truly feel they will have a bigger dragon to worry about legally......Samsung. At this point I will be all in Samsung's court as they are the true losers in this whole debacle as they have the most invested at this point. This is ridiculous, it is all about who's unit is bigger than the other in corporate world...
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For one, if VZW is reviewing their legal options and/or posturing with Google to put their ISIS payment system in a better position, then they're doing what they need to do to protect themselves and their investments. So, yeah, I guess you could call that "greed," but it might cost 'em if they make a big mis-step here.

As for Samsung, I'd bet you they're in a good position here. They're a contractor for Google on this device, so I would imagine they don't have the same R&D exposure as they would have had if they developed the phone themselves. And I'm guessing Verizon is contractually committed to a certain number of units, so they'd be covered there. Meanwhile, Samsung's Galaxy S II is selling strong on every other carrier. How many *aren't* jumping over to Verizon because of these delays, and perhaps going with an SII variant instead? We see from recent industry data that Samsung is beating the pants off of HTC. And you KNOW they're going to have something to rival the Nexus featuring their in-house Exynos come CES. I don't think Sammy has a losing position in this mess.
 
As per the trend in this thread, we are in a low spot now so we should get a glimmer of good news soon. Everyone will be happy. Bad news will strike. Users will get anger-fensive and Mods will get preventative. The cycle that keeps this engine going continues. Is the fuel tank running on empty yet? I hope so.
 
Jonathan SCE said:
I think that Wallet only works in the US, so international providers wouldn't matter. About AT&T and T-Mobile? Couldn't tell you why you cannot download it on the GSM Nexus S.
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Yes its only speculation but
Google Wallet APK {
Carrier==Sprint, Device==Nexus S 4G, Else(Hide from market).
}
If you believe Verizon is blocking it you have to believe Google is not at fault and all the carriers are (except for sprint) at fault by blocking it themselves around the world (who sell Nexus S devices). Its really simple logic to understand and that's why it makes me upset that its reached the front page of a lot of news sites now. The unlocked GSM Nexus S validates my side of the argument. I hate to disagree with a source.

Google blocks it themselves before carrier intervention. Verizon's allegiance doesn't matter. Period.
 
It's funny the source has confirmed the wallet controversey to be the cause of the delay, since that's exactly what I predicted back on the 7th.

see below quote.

tbrindisi said:
Not trying to be rude, but this is what I see. A bunch of verizon wireless customers being bent over and railed from behind. It's quite a shame that a company treats its customers like this, and then the customer's make excuses for why its not their fault!!! hillarious. Its like the wife that gets beaten and always takes up for her piece of sh@ husband. It makes no sense at all.

Listen... to all those saying there was never a release date... BS. Google/Samsung clearly stated the device would be released in NOVEMBER. Last time I checked, it is not november. I willing to bet all of this is related to the google wallet BS. Notice that this "delay" that just happened was immediately after the "Verizon blocking google wallet" controversey went mainstream. I'm sure Verizon is thinking of ways to CYA themselves went people get pissed they can't use google wallet.
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It also amazes me how soo many verizon customers still defend verizon and swear this has to be anyones elses fault but verizon. Hillarious.
 
nexus15 said:
Yes its only speculation but
Google Wallet APK {
Carrier==Sprint, Device==Nexus S 4G, Else(Hide from market).
}
If you believe Verizon is blocking it you have to believe Google is not at fault and all the carriers are (except for sprint) at fault by blocking it themselves around the world (who sell Nexus S devices). Its really simple logic to understand and that's why it makes me upset that its reached the front page of a lot of news sites now. The unlocked GSM Nexus S validates my side of the argument. I hate to disagree with a source.

Google blocks it themselves before carrier intervention. Verizon's allegiance doesn't matter. Period.
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and this just re-enforces the fact that there could very possibly be a software issue with the phone and the problems with connectivity...hopefully it was worked out with the latest build and is done testing and the phone will be launched soon...heaven forbid VZW does something that benefits the end user!?!;)...but ya never know:confused:
 
tbrindisi said:
It's funny the source has confirmed the wallet controversey to be the cause of the delay, since that's exactly what I predicted back on the 7th.

see below quote.



It also amazes me how soo many verizon customers still defend verizon and swear this has to be anyones elses fault but verizon. Hillarious.
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it also amazes me how some beleive in speculation...well nevermind...that's all anyone has at this point!!! :p

all i'm saying is don't judge any partner (VZW, Google, or Samsung) to be the innocent or guilty one at this point...VZW wants the contracts/sales...Samsung wants the sales...oh wait a minute what does google want? hmmmmmm
 
speede541 said:
So then why did Google make an issue of it by picking the fight with Verizon in their statement on Tuesday?

Verizon Blocks Google Wallet on New Smartphones - WSJ.com

It seems that, up to now, they've simply been kowtowing to carriers' demands, but now they're ready to take up the fight to beat this carrier collusion down.

Welcome to ISIS
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When doing some research on ISIS, I found out that it was announced in November 2010 and Google Wallet was in May 2011. Yet ISIS will not be ready until 2012.

I wonder if if we did not know about ISIS and the joint venture between AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon Wireless, would we even be thinking that the carriers were working on there own mobile payment system? Or it would be a reason to block Google Wallet?
 
speede541 said:
So then why did Google make an issue of it by picking the fight with Verizon in their statement on Tuesday?

Verizon Blocks Google Wallet on New Smartphones - WSJ.com

It seems that, up to now, they've simply been kowtowing to carriers' demands, but now they're ready to take up the fight to beat this carrier collusion down.

Welcome to ISIS
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Then they need to balls up and prove that by, at a minimum, releasing it for the unlocked GSM Nexus S. Failure to do so makes them look like hypocrites when they blame Verizon for wallet not being on the GNex. Yes the carrier is bad but look we aren't. Trust us! Really? What reason do I have to trust you on this issue Google? None

Look I love 90% of what Google does, but no company is perfect. No company is entirely good. You want to see where the loose thread is, you see it here when they blame Verizon but it cant actually be Verizons fault because the ball hasn't landed in their court yet. I could understand this to be possible for Verizon's ball if Wallet was on the GSM GNex and the GSM unlocked Nexus S. It isn't.

-Hope this helps all understand. ;) They have a partnership with Sprint to only have it on the Sprint Nexus S 4G. Period.
 
scottg96 said:
Ok I've said this a lot now, so hear me out:

The reason this phone is delayed isn't because of bugs. There haven't been any severe bugs that are detrimental to everyday use of the phone so far. If there are bugs, Verizon should (keyword: should) just release the phone and worry about bugs later. That's the whole point of it being a Nexus.

This is why I think the reason this phone has been delayed is not because of bugs. I'm not sure why it is delayed, but I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't make sense for them to hold it back due to bugs.

Plus, didn't a few people confirm that it was just corporate execs who decided to hold this thing back a little bit and not hit the 12/9 deadline?
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It might be a developer phone, but Verizon is also going to sell this phone in its stores to people who aren't developers. The general populace isn't going to accept bugs and a mediocre radio in their $300 phone because its a "development" device.

I think we'd all like to see the nexus line go mainstream, and like it or not, these things need to be worked out. I'm sure the Android development community could do a helluva job fixing any problems that might exist with LTE connectivity, but Verizon tech support isn't going to tell a customer to visit XDA to fix their device.

I would agree with the thought that the immediate OTA that the phone is slated to receive simply wasn't ready by today, and they're going to try again on December 15.

I also think that Verizon has internal "drop dead" dates for their devices. I would have to assume that the thunderbolt and bionic reached that point, and that's why they were released when they were. I would agree with others that Dec 15 might be that date for the nexus.

I'm not buying Google Wallet is the issue. Wallet is a deal worked out specifically with Sprint. Go read the press release. There's never any talk of any other wireless carrier, and it's not on the AT&T or T-Mobile Nexus S or the unlocked Nexus S or Galaxy Nexus.
 
First off I give all due respect for the sources that the mods on this site trust. I do not have any inside information of my own. However, the whole Verizon vs. Google wallet issue just does not seem the most logical explanation for the perceived delay.

Why would the capability to offer a potentially competing service on a phone that will be a very small percentage of phones in service cause such a huge issue with VZW? There are other services out there that android offers that directly compete with services that VZW charged for in the past. Does anyone feel that Google Wallet will have anywhere near the widespread use that Navigation does? I used VZW navigation quite a bit until I got the OG Droid. That was a service that from day one negated profits for VZW and it worked right out of the box. VZW did not demand that Navigation be removed, at least not that I can recall.

Besides there is nothing to stop VZW from putting ISIS on future non-vanilla phones that are NFC capable that come out in the future just like they continue to put VZW navigation on android phones today.

Now could there be some exclusivity deal that VZW is wrangling with as part of the ISIS deal? Maybe the deal with ISIS guarantees some type of exclusivity that is now causing some legal headaches. I have no idea, but that would seem a bit more credible than delaying a launch of a phone because of a service that from as far as I can tell is not even on the device yet.

1.LTE Issues? - Maybe
2.Distribution issues? - Possibly
3.Google Wallet? - maybe, but I don't see it.
4.Some combination of issues that we will never be made fully aware of - in my opinion most likely.
 
wow, 1 hr 15 min between posts. That may not have happened since the beginning of Nov. I think our fever may be coming down. You know, it figures that Verizon would wait until we weren't so rabid to release this phone. Maybe we should all play possum. Maybe then Verizon would let the Gnex come out and play.
 
nexus15 said:
... I could understand this to be possible for Verizon's ball if Wallet was on the GSM GNex and the GSM unlocked Nexus S. It isn't.

-Hope this helps all understand. ;) They have a partnership with Sprint to only have it on the Sprint Nexus S 4G. Period.
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On the flip side, if there's a battle brewing where Verizon, AT&T & T-Mobile collectively say "we're not going to activate your phones on our networks if those phones have Google Wallet on them," then Google may have been playing a conservative game with Sprint on their team, waiting for the right time to pick a fight. With the pending release of the Galaxy Nexus, that time might be now.

Since their service is currently only usable in the US, I can appreciate that as an explanation why GW is not available for their unlocked devices. To think that Google has invested everything they have in the technology, the branding, the ads, the new readers & GW signage at Peet's and Gap stores, and made a fuss to the media, just to have an exclusive w/ Sprint -- that doesn't ring right with me.

There's something greater at play behind the scenes, and there's no rational way Google is withholding Google Wallet from Galaxy Nexus and unlocked Nexus S devices without good reason.
 
Here are some of my theories explaining the rumored delay of the Verizon Galaxy Nexus from the 12/9 date we previously believed.

  • Google Wallet - With all the hoopla yesterday about google wallet not being on the G'Nex, it's possible that this was the first time the Verizon legal team took notice of this issue. Obviously, doing something as antitrusty as blocking google wallet, and then putting ISIS on the phone even though it uses the same "security risk" would draw some heat, and maybe the legal team has advised them to allow Google Wallet to avoid an antitrust suit, and they're cooking up a last minute fix to allow it.
  • The 4G LTE Outage - Bad PR to launch a phone on a network that's down. Terrible first impression for new users. Maybe they need time to get everything back up and running.
  • Bug Fix - Maybe they found a last minute bug that needs patching.
  • Stock Price - With Black Friday over, maybe Verizon is content with it's Q4 2011 numbers and would rather push the G'Nex into Q1 2012 to boost those figures instead.
  • RAZR - It's not secret that the Droid RAZR is Verizon's favorite phone right now. We don't know how well it's selling, but presumably it will sell more units if it has a few more days without the Nexus competition. I mean, it comes in white now!
  • Curse - scottg96 made a post about the 12/9 release date and jinxed it for us all.
 
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