***Official HTC Incredible Thread***

[hth715]

Do we know what network in UK? Or is it all networks. If it Vodafone, don't forget they have 45% stake in VZW, right? So that might give even more credibility to our late march launch..

Wow, I didn't know it was 45%. I think the Desire is getting launched on Orange though, but I could be wrong. Several sites said "most UK carriers" so that may include Vodaphone, which bodes well for the US. Would it make sense for only the US versions of the hardware to support a fixed multi touch and the UK carriers wouldnt? It just leads me to think that a simple software fix is needed to set multi touch straight.

 

[Kappy]

Untill I hear something Official about how they will sell and service the N1 it is hard to believe what is being said, personnally I was told by a VZW rep that their are not handling the sales of the N1. Who knows, I truly don't think the reps have a clue right now.

totally agreed

 

[Kappy]

Wow, I didn't know it was 45%. I think the Desire is getting launched on Orange though, but I could be wrong. Several sites said "most UK carriers" so that may include Vodaphone, which bodes well for the US. Would it make sense for only the US versions of the hardware to support a fixed multi touch and the UK carriers wouldnt? It just leads me to think that a simple software fix is needed to set multi touch straight.

To be honest I kinda wish Verizon Wireless was run like Vodafone I hope I didn't step on anyones toes! From what I read online it seems Vodafone goes after all the big handsets and offers them. THAT is what the consumer wants. Choice of big time handsets. They always want a quality network, which I am pretty sure in UK vodafone is pretty nice. I was under the impression Orange was like ATT.

 

[Androidoholic]

Happy Friday all - after sitting at work all morning hitting "refresh" every ten minutes, I thought maybe it was time to contribute a thought or two.

Other than the RAM amount, it seems like one of the main concerns is the camera quality of the Incredible. I don't claim to be an expert on hardware, but I know a few things about cameras and would recommend reading this article by David Pogue of the NY Times. If you dont want to read that whole thing, at least check out the last few paragraphs re: cameraphones.

Simply put, megapixels can be misleading, especially in cameraphones. Personally, I would prefer a 5MP camera over an 8MP, etc. What do you guys think?

A 5 MP would work fine for me. It is currently what I have on my Omnia. I never had a problem with picture quality on my Omnia.

 

[eipee73]

To be honest I kinda wish Verizon Wireless was run like Vodafone I hope I didn't step on anyones toes! From what I read online it seems Vodafone goes after all the big handsets and offers them. THAT is what the consumer wants. Choice of big time handsets. They always want a quality network, which I am pretty sure in UK vodafone is pretty nice. I was under the impression Orange was like ATT.

The thing I can't wrap my head around with Verizon is why they are so bad at getting handsets. They have the best network in the continental United States by leaps and bounds. This fact in itself makes them more marketable to device manufacturers. Now I'm not sure of the number of customers that Verizon has relative to ATT or TMO, but my assumption is that they're near the top if not number 1. Frankly if I were VZW I would lay all this out and say you stand the best chance with me.

Now to play devils advocate to myself...

If I were a device manufacturer I would certainly have to lean more towards the production of a GSM phone v. CDMA. We've seen it with pretty much all GSM phones out there, people buy them and just put them on whatever network they want. Even when it comes to the iPhone which is an AT&T exclusive, many people purchase them and use them on TMo. With GSM being such a widely used technology relative to CDMA it would be hard to argue with any handset manufacturer that would want to produce high end GSM devices.

In the end VZW may have more customers than ATT or TMO, but probably don't have more than ATT + TMo which I think has a big draw.

Thoughts?

 

[Androidoholic]

The thing I can't wrap my head around with Verizon is why they are so bad at getting handsets. They have the best network in the continental United States by leaps and bounds. This fact in itself makes them more marketable to device manufacturers. Now I'm not sure of the number of customers that Verizon has relative to ATT or TMO, but my assumption is that they're near the top if not number 1. Frankly if I were VZW I would lay all this out and say you stand the best chance with me.

Now to play devils advocate to myself...

If I were a device manufacturer I would certainly have to lean more towards the production of a GSM phone v. CDMA. We've seen it with pretty much all GSM phones out there, people buy them and just put them on whatever network they want. Even when it comes to the iPhone which is an AT&T exclusive, many people purchase them and use them on TMo. With GSM being such a widely used technology relative to CDMA it would be hard to argue with any handset manufacturer that would want to produce high end GSM devices.

In the end VZW may have more customers than ATT or TMO, but probably don't have more than ATT + TMo which I think has a big draw.

Thoughts?

Just one thought, Is there any price difference in producing CDMA vs GSM phones?

 

[eipee73]

Just one thought, Is there any price difference in producing CDMA vs GSM phones?

I can only speculate that there may be some price difference, but I can't imagine it being a large enough amount to really cause a manufacturer to go one way or another. Again, just speculation, any real information would be greatly appreciated. Good thought though!

 

[Kappy]

The thing I can't wrap my head around with Verizon is why they are so bad at getting handsets. They have the best network in the continental United States by leaps and bounds. This fact in itself makes them more marketable to device manufacturers. Now I'm not sure of the number of customers that Verizon has relative to ATT or TMO, but my assumption is that they're near the top if not number 1. Frankly if I were VZW I would lay all this out and say you stand the best chance with me.

Now to play devils advocate to myself...

If I were a device manufacturer I would certainly have to lean more towards the production of a GSM phone v. CDMA. We've seen it with pretty much all GSM phones out there, people buy them and just put them on whatever network they want. Even when it comes to the iPhone which is an AT&T exclusive, many people purchase them and use them on TMo. With GSM being such a widely used technology relative to CDMA it would be hard to argue with any handset manufacturer that would want to produce high end GSM devices.

In the end VZW may have more customers than ATT or TMO, but probably don't have more than ATT + TMo which I think has a big draw.

Thoughts?

Not to get too far off topic but...

IMO, the single reason VZW lacks in their handsets is CDMA. Handset makers are gonna go with most popular and widely used. GSM. They can sell more that way. That's why typically we see a GSM and then afterwards comes a CDMA handset variant. I wish Verizon would do like Canada (I think it was them. Please correct me if I am wrong.) and overlay a GSM over their CDMA network. Then they could get popular handsets like the iPhone and whatnot. I think Canada mostly did that so they could carry the iPhone. That's how bad they wanted it (and it has been a big hit for the service providers up there). I think with LTE right around the corner VZW is spending their $$ on that and want to get that deployed. It is the future. I just think the transition would be easier if they overlayed the GSM over the CDMA. For a while LTE handsets on Verizon are gonna have to have a CDMA and LTE chip. Unless a CDMA/LTE chip is developed. I don't know.

 

[Kappy]

Just one thought, Is there any price difference in producing CDMA vs GSM phones?

I think it isn't cost effective... They could sell X amount (think large quantity) of GSM and X amount of CDMA (think small quantity). The return is lower on CDMA. Yeah 91 million possible CDMA (not including sprint) in the US. Then with ATT and TMO you are probably over 100 million GSM in US.

Now think worldwide. In the billions for GSM and only probable hundred of millions for CDMA. BIG difference..

The handset makers are going to cater to wherever they can sell the most handsets first.

Then add on that CDMA is going way of the caveman over the next 10-15 years... LTE is GSM based too. So you can see there are a lot of factors.

 

[Kappy]

And as for Apple originally wanting to go with VZW. I don't think Apple knew how popular the iPhone would become. I've read online the Jobs would be happy capturing like 1-5% marketshare the first year or 2 of the iphone. With like moderate sales. He said that when it was first launched.

Well after it launched and there was such a demand and it blew up like it did they were like, HA. Forget VZW, I'm so glad we went GSM. We are missing out on some customers for sure, but still killing the game worldwide (and in US) so it doesn't matter, right now. Once there is iPhone flood (there are so many they have to expand carriers in places they haven't. Think USA/China) then they will need to expland. They just hope LTE is in place so it will be cheaper for them, since LTE is based off of GSM. That way Apple could never ever have to make a CDMA iPhone.

Again, just IMHO. Now back to the Incredible before people get pissed and I get revoked lol.

 

[Deleted User]

Ok, I retract my comments about thickness. After watching the video uploaded around WMC, thickness will not really be an issue. Unless it has changed since then, it should be fine. Suprised on the red buttons however...

 

[Kappy]

Ok, I retract my comments about thickness. After watching the video uploaded around WMC, thickness will not really be an issue. Unless it has changed since then, it should be fine. Suprised on the red buttons however...

True, the buttons got a lot of people I think. It was hard to pick-up on the video. I posted some pics yetserday of you can make it out in "sprint guy" video. If that is the video you are referring to...

 

[eipee73]

And as for Apple originally wanting to go with VZW. I don't think Apple knew how popular the iPhone would become. I've read online the Jobs would be happy capturing like 1-5% marketshare the first year or 2 of the iphone. With like moderate sales. He said that when it was first launched.

Well after it launched and there was such a demand and it blew up like it did they were like, HA. Forget VZW, I'm so glad we went GSM. We are missing out on some customers for sure, but still killing the game worldwide (and in US) so it doesn't matter, right now. Once there is iPhone flood (there are so many they have to expand carriers in places they haven't. Think USA/China) then they will need to expland. They just hope LTE is in place so it will be cheaper for them, since LTE is based off of GSM. That way Apple could never ever have to make a CDMA iPhone.

Again, just IMHO. Now back to the Incredible before people get pissed and I get revoked lol.

Back to the Incredible momentarily. You spoke as though you work/worked for Apple, is that the case? Just your phrasing of "I'm so glad we went GSM" and "We are missing out on some customers for usre, but still killing the game worldwide."

PS this is just a general inquiry, I'm not looking to hate on anyone.

 

[Kappy]

Back to the Incredible momentarily. You spoke as though you work/worked for Apple, is that the case? Just your phrasing of "I'm so glad we went GSM" and "We are missing out on some customers for usre, but still killing the game worldwide."

PS this is just a general inquiry, I'm not looking to hate on anyone.

No def. not. I'm speaking on what I think Apple is thinking or what THEY would say lol. I should have put quotes to try to differentiate. I am speaking like, that is what apple is thinking. Not me. I'm not even technologically savvy. I just have read A LOT online and these are the opinions I have made and conclusions I have come up with. I enjoy blogs and the tech. sites so I scour them, literally quite often, for info. I really wanted an iPhone, but I'm not leaving Verizon and then I found this forum and this thread and shifted from less Apple to more Android and learning about it. I really like it too. I wouldn't spend this much time and effort on the forum if I didn't

I'll be the first to admit, I know squat about technology, but I am trying to learn. I'm not trying to act like I know more than I do or like I am some tech. buff or anything. You guys on here are the real tech. people. I just make my own opinions and try to use my own common sense to come up with ideas. Believe me, I am a real n00b when it comes to this. But I don't mind admitting that. I think it's good anytime we can expand our knowledge on things. It's like a hobby.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS ALL TOTALLY OPINIONATED AND I BY NO MEANS HAVE ANY PROOF OF ANY OF THIS. I DO NOT WORK FOR APPLE OR ATT OR VERIZION lol. I don't want to get anyone in trouble. I gathered it all from reading articles on the web. I kinda just look at this stuff like, "if the shoe fits, wear it" and I use that to form my own hypotheses and whatnot.

 

[eipee73]

No def. not. I'm speaking on what I think Apple is thinking or what THEY would say lol. I should have put quotes. I am speaking like, that is what apple is thinking. Not me. I'm not even technologically savvy. I just have read A LOT online and these are the opinions I have made and conclusions I have come up with.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS ALL TOTALLY OPINIONATED AND I BY NO MEANS HAVE ANY PROOF OF ANY OF THIS. I DO NOT WORK FOR APPLE OR ATT OR VERIZION lol. I don't want to get anyone in trouble. I gathered it all from reading articles on the web.

Ha I understand you. No worries, I don't think that your post will get anyone in trouble, it was just a touch of miscommunication. Thanks for clearing everything up.

And now....**DRUM ROLL**

Back to talk on the Incredible!

 

[Kappy]

Ha I understand you. No worries, I don't think that your post will get anyone in trouble, it was just a touch of miscommunication. Thanks for clearing everything up.

And now....**DRUM ROLL**

Back to talk on the Incredible!

No problem, yes back to the Incredible.

How cool would a Red version and black version of the Incredible be? Imagine a black phone with red branding on the back and red phone with black branding? Would like nice!

 

[wordweaver27]

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I don't doubt the forum member was told that, but I feel like we'd would have seen or should see soon leaks on the net that VZW techs are receiving training and support training on the phone. I know I've read that in the past with other phones.

I agree but N1 changes the game as we know it at VZW. There may be more stringent NDAs involved which would make info much more scarce.

 

[Kappy]

I agree but N1 changes the game as we know it at VZW. There may be more stringent NDAs involved which would make info much more scarce.

True, true. They could have info locked up well. Help me out NDA? I'm a n00b remember.

 

[woodraskam]

True, true. They could have info locked up well. Help me out NDA? I'm a n00b remember.

Non-Disclosure Agreement

 

[kyler13]

To be honest I kinda wish Verizon Wireless was run like Vodafone

You mean like offering the Desire for FREE on an 18 month contract? Yeah, I'm wishing Verizon was run like Vodafone, too.

 

[YamiYaiba]

I was trying to be tongue in cheek and then lecture. Not rude.

Ah, well then, my apologies good sir.

Regarding all things Incredible, I'm beginning to agree with one of Nash's older posts. I don't think we're gonna get that much new at this point. We've sleuthed the hell outta this thing. As far as I can think, all that we could get now are new pictures, confirmed specs, confirmed dates, or massive overhauls.

That said, I had a thought regarding the RAM (everyone's favorite subject lol). Typically, phones are market to a specific sector of the market. Your high end phones (Droid), low end knock-offs (Devour), trendy phones (LG's...anything really), etc. All the specs on this phone seem to indicate a high end phone, excluding the rumored RAM. Short of HTC utterly nerfing an otherwise high-end device, it seems likely that this isn't an accurate number for the final product. The more I think about it, the more I feel my initial theory of cheap/spare hardware for testing features is accurate. I think HTC feels the phone is functional for testing at 256, so that's all they're putting in the test models. Only so much testing is needed for slapping in more memory, so it seems logical that they'd build the cheapest possible functional test models. The end-phase test phones would likely have more RAM than the others, but odds are, we'll never see those. Those are most likely in-house only. After all, RAM testing is largely automated, isn't it?

Edit: I'm guessing I'm wrong on this, but why is the GSM/CDMA thing such a problem for manufacturers. Shouldn't it just me a matter of putting one cellular radio or another in the phone at time of build?

 

[Kappy]

Ah, well then, my apologies good sir.

Regarding all things Incredible, I'm beginning to agree with one of Nash's older posts. I don't think we're gonna get that much new at this point. We've sleuthed the hell outta this thing. As far as I can think, all that we could get now are new pictures, confirmed specs, confirmed dates, or massive overhauls.

That said, I had a thought regarding the RAM (everyone's favorite subject lol). Typically, phones are market to a specific sector of the market. Your high end phones (Droid), low end knock-offs (Devour), trendy phones (LG's...anything really), etc. All the specs on this phone seem to indicate a high end phone, excluding the rumored RAM. Short of HTC utterly nerfing an otherwise high-end device, it seems likely that this isn't an accurate number for the final product. The more I think about it, the more I feel my initial theory of cheap/spare hardware for testing features is accurate. I think HTC feels the phone is functional for testing at 256, so that's all they're putting in the test models. Only so much testing is needed for slapping in more memory, so it seems logical that they'd build the cheapest possible functional test models. The end-phase test phones would likely have more RAM than the others, but odds are, we'll never see those. Those are most likely in-house only. After all, RAM testing is largely automated, isn't it?

According to Dev's twitter he doesn't think he'll get another shot at the phone. He said something like, "I doubt I'll get any chance to take pictures" or something to that extent, so I guess we'll see.

 

[TnFlapjack]

As Shawn said it wont matter. This thread started as an info only thread and looked what happened. You're other choice is to post each news item as a separate thread.

This is my first post but I've been lurking since October. I also wish for new treads with each new news. I'm a headline reader. When I read a newspaper, I scan all the headlines and then read the articles that appeal to me, same for a news website, or engadet. The older Passion Forum ran like that for the most part. When new news or rumor came, there was a new tread started. When the talk started getting off topic, it did not matter much because there would be new treads soon with new news. If the off topic chatter didn't interest me, I just didn't go back to that tread. Very easy. I checked the site sometimes multiple times a day. Now this tread is so cluttered I find that I only stop in every few days or so. If I want to go back and reread something I read earlier, I have no idea how to find it. Very difficult.

Imagine if engadget didn't have headlines but instead just random post one after another in a tread called new technology. Would you be lazy and not read everything every few hours to keep up, or would you just quit looking after a while.

As someone else stated, go through and read the post with the Thanks. That will work somewhat but not nearly as easy as just new headlines for new news - The way every other news in the world that is organized does it.

 

[drhill]

Ah, well then, my apologies good sir.

Regarding all things Incredible, I'm beginning to agree with one of Nash's older posts. I don't think we're gonna get that much new at this point. We've sleuthed the hell outta this thing. As far as I can think, all that we could get now are new pictures, confirmed specs, confirmed dates, or massive overhauls.

That said, I had a thought regarding the RAM (everyone's favorite subject lol). Typically, phones are market to a specific sector of the market. Your high end phones (Droid), low end knock-offs (Devour), trendy phones (LG's...anything really), etc. All the specs on this phone seem to indicate a high end phone, excluding the rumored RAM. Short of HTC utterly nerfing an otherwise high-end device, it seems likely that this isn't an accurate number for the final product. The more I think about it, the more I feel my initial theory of cheap/spare hardware for testing features is accurate. I think HTC feels the phone is functional for testing at 256, so that's all they're putting in the test models. Only so much testing is needed for slapping in more memory, so it seems logical that they'd build the cheapest possible functional test models. The end-phase test phones would likely have more RAM than the others, but odds are, we'll never see those. Those are most likely in-house only. After all, RAM testing is largely automated, isn't it?

Edit: I'm guessing I'm wrong on this, but why is the GSM/CDMA thing such a problem for manufacturers. Shouldn't it just me a matter of putting one cellular radio or another in the phone at time of build?

No problem.

I agree there is nothing we can get from now until launch that isn't an official spec list with no real surprises or a release date.

In regards to ram read this link (which looks like wonderbread got yelled at):
Android 2.1 limited to 256MB SDRAM? - xda-developers

The amount of ram that Dev reported could have been available ram, which all non rooted and kernel updated phones only have 256MB ram available. So it very well could have been on the device he had (and we get) just no one can play with it until the kernel is updated.

In regards to camera sensor. I don't think it matters if we get 5 or 8. I doubt they will upgrade the rest of the optics and innards. The only thing I know about the rest of a camera is that it is more important than the sensor and is usual filled with cheap parts on a phone.

 

[jprow507]

There might be hope yet for a late March delivery date. Desire is going live an April 1st in the UK. Unless they don't care about the multi-touch issues I'm kinda assuming Desire has the same screen as Incredible and the N1.

HTC Desire, Legend and HD Mini show up on Amazon UK, expected to arrive on April 1 -- Engadget

I highly doubt it will be released this month.... there is an official announcement for these phones which are coming April 1 but no official announcement for a phone that is supposedly coming this month? It just doesn't make sense. Usually it seems like we have a month turnaround time after announcements are made....