helicooper
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Every person I have seen with a gas guzzler bitches and moans every time gas gets above $2 a gallon.
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Every person I have seen with a gas guzzler bitches and moans every time gas gets above $2 a gallon.
DroidAV8R
Android Enthusiast
It's all good
Even if this phone stays at 768MHz, I'd bet the software is optomized for it, and Incredible will kick serious ass! NKT ran it side by side with the N1 and said both were faster than the Droid, and both were equally as fast as one another. Not bad at all considering that Incredible was running Sense UI and N1 was just running plane old Android 2.1!
Not_A_Saint
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Spankees fan?!? Well, now THAT explains a LOT!
Sweet Montana Man. Glad to see Red Sox Nation is alive and well, even here. Okay, let the flaming begin for being off topic...
mikecitron
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Sox suck !!!
Montana Man
Android Expert
Helicooper, that was an excellent, detailed automobile / phone analogy and I applaud you for it! However, that was one aspect that I had a pretty good grasp on already. Perhaps you, Nash, Woop, Woodraskam, or Ruben (the Sense Guru) could put together a similar, detailed, thorough analogy regarding the difference between stock Android and Sense UI. To me, being brand new to Android AND smartphones as a whole, that's the one I am having the most difficult time getting my mind around. Much thanks in advance!!!
DobbsianYeti
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Hello all.... Been a lurker for about as long as this thread has been active, and with all that's transpired with NKT's revelations today thought I might throw out a question. I'm not very well versed in the technology of mobile phones, but in reading up on the snapdragon had a thought-- if the 8650 supports GSM and CDMA what is keeping this phone from being a "world phone"?
From my understanding the processor controls all the radio function, and an antennae is an antennae- as long as you can access the frequencies processor-wise there shouldn't be much limitation to using them.
Do you need a SIM card, or can that information be integrated into the software/firmware as a unique identifier of each unit?
In my simplistic understanding- all a SIM card does is give a unique identifier to the individual phone on the network- it also gives you the option to use a GSM phone on different networks by replacing with a SIM for that provider.
Long story short- could Verizon activate GSM band communication like they did for the BB Tour for use internationally only without the SIM option so you would have to pay roaming charges to VZW for your airtime in other countries... Kind of a sucky second rate option, but at least the phone isn't a brick on international travel.
Other than that I guess you could depend on Wifi and Skype for intl calling...
Anybody know anything about limitations that I am missing? My guess is that i am missing something pretty huge or else google would have adopted this chip for the Nexus one- added a SIM slot and said "free for all- give us 530 smackaroos and you can take this badboy to any network anywhere- the processor has support for every provider the world over- pick the one that works best in your area..." Their "revolutionary" marketing scheme would have been much more revolutionary if they hadn't tied the phone to a single provider or technology by choosing a chip limited to GSM band.
From my understanding the processor controls all the radio function, and an antennae is an antennae- as long as you can access the frequencies processor-wise there shouldn't be much limitation to using them.
Do you need a SIM card, or can that information be integrated into the software/firmware as a unique identifier of each unit?
In my simplistic understanding- all a SIM card does is give a unique identifier to the individual phone on the network- it also gives you the option to use a GSM phone on different networks by replacing with a SIM for that provider.
Long story short- could Verizon activate GSM band communication like they did for the BB Tour for use internationally only without the SIM option so you would have to pay roaming charges to VZW for your airtime in other countries... Kind of a sucky second rate option, but at least the phone isn't a brick on international travel.
Other than that I guess you could depend on Wifi and Skype for intl calling...
Anybody know anything about limitations that I am missing? My guess is that i am missing something pretty huge or else google would have adopted this chip for the Nexus one- added a SIM slot and said "free for all- give us 530 smackaroos and you can take this badboy to any network anywhere- the processor has support for every provider the world over- pick the one that works best in your area..." Their "revolutionary" marketing scheme would have been much more revolutionary if they hadn't tied the phone to a single provider or technology by choosing a chip limited to GSM band.
s34n1811
Android Enthusiast
While I see what you are getting @ I think your a little off. I would say people are trying to get the most bang for their buck. I know personally when I buy anything .... be it a computer or whatever .. I'm trying to get the most mileage I can get out of it. I think buying a phone that you may be stuck with for 2 years is no different. I know personally I'm going for the biggest and baddest monster they let out of the gate: Nexus, Incredible, or yet to be named. In any event, my point is this isn't a two type of people situation. There's a lot of grey area here and we still don't know how much either will cost or what type of plan we'll be stuck with. Just my opinion.
woodraskam
Android Expert
Chances are the Verizon model of the N1 is using this chip, because I don't think there's another 1GHz CDMA Snapdragon chip available.
Edit: From a little research it seems the qsd8650 is the qsd8250 plus CDMA/EVDO capability so it's basically world phone compliant, and who knows what google has planned for the Verizon N1.
alsowolfman
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Helicooper, that was an excellent, detailed automobile / phone analogy and I applaud you for it! However, that was one aspect that I had a pretty good grasp on already. Perhaps you, Nash, Woop, Woodraskam, or Ruben (the Sense Guru) could put together a similar, detailed, thorough analogy regarding the difference between stock Android and Sense UI. To me, being brand new to Android AND smartphones as a whole, that's the one I am having the most difficult time getting my mind around. Much thanks in advance!!!
person a gets a table, it is a good sturdy table, but table interface is bland.
person b gets a table and puts a vase full of flowers on top of it. this has all the same functionality of the table, but it is just more pleasing to use. the downside is the vase takes up some of the tables space.
alsowolfman
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sorry, i actually have not used either, i just wanted to avoid the car analogies.
DobbsianYeti
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The problem with that is- it's still slated as a "Verizon phone"... Why isn't there an option for a truly unlocked phone that can be used on any network anywhere?
It's like Ma Bell before anti-trust... they owned the phones and the network- afterwards you bought your own phones and you started to see more options and lower prices for those options due to true market competition. ATT, Verizon, TMo, etc all do the same things now, and it keeps the consumers from having access to products because they are getting the best coverage with a given provider.
What we all want is the option to choose the phone we want- incredible, desire, n1, iphone, dumbphone, etc. Why aren't companies like HTC, Google, Apple... selling their own phones unattached to providers that have the capability to work with any provider... Off topic somewhat, but a little valid in terms of current discussion of the snapdragon processors.
It's like Ma Bell before anti-trust... they owned the phones and the network- afterwards you bought your own phones and you started to see more options and lower prices for those options due to true market competition. ATT, Verizon, TMo, etc all do the same things now, and it keeps the consumers from having access to products because they are getting the best coverage with a given provider.
What we all want is the option to choose the phone we want- incredible, desire, n1, iphone, dumbphone, etc. Why aren't companies like HTC, Google, Apple... selling their own phones unattached to providers that have the capability to work with any provider... Off topic somewhat, but a little valid in terms of current discussion of the snapdragon processors.
Montana Man
Android Expert
I mean - I have heard so much about how wonderful Sense UI is, but.... what are the benefits to the features??
woodraskam
Android Expert
I have yet to own an Android phone, but one positive of Sense that I've heard of is Full Microsoft Exchange functionality....I believe stock doesn't provide calendar syncing.
I've also heard of some problems running Google Voice with Sense's previous versions, so hopefully that will get fixed in 2.1
Montana Man
Android Expert
The MSM-series needed to be kicked to the grave a while ago. Now I must endure with this inferior processor until the Incredible comes out. FML!!!
100% correct on this. GV keeps FCing on me with android 1.5. it works OK not great just ok. every time i boot up it gives me a GV must FC because of yadda yadda yadda.
Keep in mind you can unlock a BB Storm 1(probably others too but I only have firsthand experience with the Storm 1) and use an AT&T or T-Mobile SIM card in it. Seeing as AT&T is getting a N1(in the form of the Desire), and T-Mobile already has it, makes you wonder why Verizon would omit this for international use since there really is no point to omitting it for domestic use.
The reason they don't do this is because they alienate the carriers as far as subsidies on phones. If HTC made Phone A and it worked on Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, T-Mobile and others then what motivation would Verizon have for paying HTC a subsidy on the phone to sell it to their subscribers? They wouldn't.
That and they would have a harder time attracting subscribers because people would be forced to pay full price on phones. The solution is the opposite like what Europe does. You want a Desire, its free. You pay a higher monthly cost though and you end up paying them back for the phone. Sounds good to me.
person a gets a table, it is a good sturdy table, but table interface is bland.
person b gets a table and puts a vase full of flowers on top of it. this has all the same functionality of the table, but it is just more pleasing to use. the downside is the vase takes up some of the tables space.
What if person A is male and prefers the simplicity and the fact that the table does what it is supposed to, hold stuff.
What if person B is female and thinks the table needs some "sprucing up"(no offense to Oak or Mahogany tables)?
Do you like flowers on your table? I don't like flowers on mine. I prefer a plate with some food on it and a beverage.
Plus WTF flowers take up so much space that the table's surface area is noticeably reduced and you then can't put some "thing" on it because of the missing area. Be it food, beverage, tv remote, htc incredible, laptop with androidforums.com open in the browser, utensils, napkins, etc.
If the flowers take up that much space, buy a bigger table!
Yeah, the MSM7600 in my TP2 (along with the resistive screen, which isn't bad but...still resistive) is the reason I want the Incredible. And since I'm due for an upgrade as of 2 weeks ago, I can't wait. Though I can't really blame Qualcomm for the MSM's. They're not THAT bad, but WinMo makes them really look terrible. They generally run Android fine (hell the G1 was originally a 528MHz MSM7200 clocked down to 384MHz, and it ran fine).
s34n1811
Android Enthusiast
I agree except you end up paying for the phone like 3-4 times over the course of 2 years
I agree except you end up paying for the phone like 3-4 times over the course of 2 years
Verizon's response: Yeah but how bad do you want the Incredible?
DobbsianYeti
Well-Known Member
That's my point- why aren't these phones sold by the manufacturers unlocked for use on any network. With NKT's report that there is no SIM slot in the Incredible- I just started thinking and searching for any answers- and there aren't any that I could find. A bunch of explanations on the differences between GSM and CDMA, but nothing conclusive as to why (since the technology has existed for a number of years) there aren't a ton of true world phones on the market. It stands to reason that an open source system like Android might finally open the market to some awesome phones for all of us- but so far it's the same song and dance.
I can't wrap my head around the idea that technologies as advanced as the current slate of smart phones are being used as pawns in an advertising game to sell a service. It would be great to choose mobile service based on quality of coverage and not based on the number of cool phones a service provider sells. It would be even better to choose a phone based on the specs and design rather than choosing between limited offerings of a single provider because you are tied to them based on service.
I want my cake, and I want to eat it too. That said- the Incredible is coming to Verizon so I can't b*t*h too much.
I can't wrap my head around the idea that technologies as advanced as the current slate of smart phones are being used as pawns in an advertising game to sell a service. It would be great to choose mobile service based on quality of coverage and not based on the number of cool phones a service provider sells. It would be even better to choose a phone based on the specs and design rather than choosing between limited offerings of a single provider because you are tied to them based on service.
I want my cake, and I want to eat it too. That said- the Incredible is coming to Verizon so I can't b*t*h too much.
woop
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I'm gonna try to kick this back on topic..
So the fellas at AndroidandMe have re-updated their story that they got from us regarding the Incredible, and have now included a screenshot of the supposed "6 GB ROM"
So the fellas at AndroidandMe have re-updated their story that they got from us regarding the Incredible, and have now included a screenshot of the supposed "6 GB ROM"
Update 2: The original iPhone shipped with 4/8 GB of internal memory, but the second an Android phone has that kind of storage everyone goes crazy and instantly tries to discredit it. I don’t know how much internal phone storage the Incredible will ship with, but I do know that Android phones need more than the 512 MB ROM we normally get.
Android hacker Stericson tweeted the following screen grab he claims came from the Incredible. It shows a device that has an internal storage greater than 6 GB and memory around 1 GB. These figures are close to the numbers I was emailed earlier, so I will let you guys decide what to believe. I don’t think it is out of the question for an upcoming Android phone to have 1, 8, 16, or 32 GB of internal storage.
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