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***Official HTC Incredible Thread***

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Sigmund Droid said:
Google is not named directly in the lawsuit and they are marketing their own phone under their own brand name. HTC is just the OEM manufacturer of the device and are merely providing the hardware. The two are unrelated.

Second, Apple's lawsuit is over software infringement, not hardware. HTC is not responsible for the software on Google's N1 phone. Google is. Therein lies the difference. If the N1 had Sense on it, then the HTC might be liable from a software standpoint and I emphasize "might."
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Whatever it takes to bend it to fit your fearmongering.....but I think I remember reading that the lawsuit included the N1.
 
Kappy said:
You mean you don't already drink at work? :D

and agree, bigger than VZW iphone? Maybe VZW buying another company? dunno
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Unless it's VZW buying Apple or one of the big 4 I don't see that being bigger than Incredible either. My guess is the dude was talking out of his a$$ on both the Incredible launching in the next week or the "big news".

Of course, I am still going to be watching the Verizon store by my house for deliveries :D
 
RudeBoy1 said:
Hi All! Great information! I have been following for a couple days now and it's been awesome.

SO, I have a question: There has been a lot of talk about the specs on The Incredible. NOW, what I would like to know is HOW these specs will make this phone a game-changer (I know its fast and can store a lot of memory), but what is this phone capable of doing, as far as everyday function. Please explain, I know The Incredible is capable of doing MANY things, but exactly WHAT can an average user expect from it, as well as an advanced user?

:D Thanks for your feedback! It's appreciated.

P.S. I am not tooo tech savvy, so I am just trying to understand how I can use this Incredible phone. :)
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I'm planning on using it for movies and TV. My kids in HS play sports, and that means I have a lot of waiting time, during and after meets and practices. Fair Use is a free program (for the PC) that I use to shrink DVD's down to fit onto SD cards. I shrink them down to about 250-500 Mb per movie for my current phone (Windows Mobile) but I imagine with the big screen and higher resolution of the Incredible the files will be substantially bigger.
Orb.com is a web-based service that lets you stream media from your home computer to your phone or remote laptop. We had a spare XP desktop computer that I made into a media computer, and I record TV with a program called BeyondTV. (I believe recording ability is built into Windows 7 OS above the basic edition.) When I'm away from home I can use the web browser on my phone to watch the shows I recorded, either through the wi-fi or a data connection. I believe that there's an Orb application for Android phones.
I can't wait to watch on a 3.7" (?) screen.
 
Orb is a great program for Android, but it can't play DRM protected stuff and I just happen to have all of my content bought from iTunes.

Darn you Apple!
 
TrickyRicky said:
Who would of thunk HTC would ever be in the news like this. UNREAL! This will be very interesting how this will play out. Google is standing behind HTC but Microsoft who is named in the lawsuit is not doing anything.. strange..
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HTC scares Steve Jobs because the Incredible, Desire and Supersonic. etc. are truly potential iPhone killers (as cliche as this phrase has become) - especially the Incredible since it will be offered on VZW's network and they're the Top Dog's in the mobile game right now. Don't forget it was Verizon who snubbed Jobs when he came to them first with the iPhone, so there is a bit of bad blood between them.

Microsoft is a bit player in the mobile software device market and the only reason I think they're even mentioned in the lawsuit is because the HTC HD2 runs Sense over Windows Mobile, but that's not who they're really after here, as Microsoft don't pose nearly the threat to the iPHone that HTC's Android devices do. The entire goal is to stall and delay Android's rise in the marketplace and stop it and Google in its tracks, if it can.

I think when it's all said and done all Apple will have accomplished is to delay some great devices from coming out when they should have and may cause coders from HTC and Google to devise a few workarounds so they are no longer in violation. There very well could be financial damages awarded, however, but hopefully nothing that will cripple HTC and I suspect this will all be settled out of court, as most patent cases usually are.
 
Sigmund Droid said:
HTC scares Steve Jobs because the Incredible, Desire and Supersonic. etc. are truly potential iPhone killers (as redundant sounding as this phrase has become) - especially the Incredible since it will be offered on VZW's network and they're the Top Dog's in the mobile game right now. Don't forget it was Verizon who snubbed Jobs when he came to them first with the iPhone, so there is a bit of bad blood between them.

Microsoft is a bit player in the mobile software device market and the only reason I think they're even mentioned in the lawsuit is because the HTC HD2 runs Sense over Windows Mobile, but that's not who they're really after here, as Microsoft don't pose nearly the threat to the iPHone that HTC's Android devices do. The entire goal is to stall and delay Android's rise in the marketplace and stop it and Google in its tracks, if it can.

I think when it's all said and done all Apple will have accomplished is to delay some great devices from coming out when they should have and may cause coders from HTC and Google to come up with some workarounds. There very well could be financial damages awarded, however, but hopefully nothing that will cripple HTC and I suspect this will all be settled out of court, as most patent cases usually are.
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You really are picking and choosing on the evidence to back up this claim. N1 doesn't matter cause it doesn't have Sense but still runs on Android. HD2 has sense, but it doesn't matter cause it runs on WinMo.
 
I don't think htc scares apple at all.... It's about the money. If they want to slow down android all they have to do is bring the iPhone to verizon. I hate to say it, but that will hurt android sales in a big way.
 
woodraskam said:
You really are picking and choosing on the evidence to back up this claim. N1 doesn't matter cause it doesn't have Sense but still runs on Android. HD2 doesn't matter has sense, but it doesn't matter cause it runs on WinMo.
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Apple's claims of infringement are over software, not hardware. That being said, how is HTC culpable with the N1? It's not their software running on the device, is it? Also, is it technically Google's software on there either? It's an open source GUI, from my understanding, that Google compiles into one nice little package and makes available to device mfg's in updates, correct? If the N1 is being implicated then why not all devices running the Android O.S.? It just doesn't make sense (no pun intended) that Motorola and Samsung phones running the Android O.S. aren't also mentioned in the suit, but yet the N1 is?

Second, from what I've read the software issues at the heart of this lawsuit filing primarily revolve around multi-touch. Does Win Mo 6.5 have Multi-touch capabilities? I'm not aware that it does or doesn't, as I've never used it, but I know Sense which runs on top of it on the HD2 does, which is why I'm guessing how Microsoft got pulled into this?
 
oppendroid said:
Hello all, this is my first post. I apologize for the length but I'm a technical writer and I just can't help it. :)

I'm asking here because I've read the entire thread and you are the most welcoming, helpful, friendly group I've come across in a long time. NKT and Stericson, there just aren't words. Wow. Everything I had been trying to find on my own (even on Phandroid) was right here all the time. All of you are just fantastic.

I have read several threads looking for information but I've been unable to come to a decisive conclusion. If I missed something, please excuse the intrustion and point me in the right direction.

So, to the point. I have had an regular old orange EnV for over two years. Before I got it, I wanted the first iPhone bad but I did my research and decided the iPhone just didn't have what I wanted yet. So I've waited and waited. I was about to buy the Droid when it came out, I drooled and was about to pounce until I played with it in the store and totally h-a-t-e-d the keyboard. Ick. I love the keyboard on my EnV (I'm a writer, so the keyboard is very important to me) and the Droid keyboard is just beyond yuck. So I decided to wait again.

Then I played with the Eris and fell in love. But wait, they are doing a BOGO so I got suspicious figuring they were coming out with something better and dumping inventory. And I've been waiting.

Now I find this thread and I'm drooling again. But in all honestly, if I've never experienced anything close to a droid, do I really need to keep waiting for the Incredible? My phone is dying. I bought a new battery in September to keep it going and now the new battery can't even hold out for a day and I rarely make phone calls. I primarily text. The keyboard is starting to have issues.

I completely understand that the Incredible will be a far better phone than the Eris in terms of memory and a faster processing, also it's based on the 2.x platform instead of the 1.5. However, money is most definitely a concern right now and if a free phone will keep me happy for the next year, then I need to get the Eris and be patient again. But I do not want to use my NE2 credit for an Eris if I will be unhappy with the phone. Right now, my daughter's EnV3 is state of the art compared to my phone so I'm thinking the Eris is the way to go.

There is also the idea of finding an Eris on Craigslist to hold out for awhile until the Incredible is released and then use the NE2/2yr contract credits to bring the price as low as I can.

So, given this brain dump of information, is anyone able to give me some advice in this area? I almost went out and bought an Eris today, but I respect the opinions of the invididuals in this thread and I'm hoping you can help so I can join the Droid world.

Thanks so much in advance!
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I am not a writer...so i will be brief..I am also an enV user for the past 2 years and i also LOVE the keyboard. So we are coming from a similar place.

Last month i bought an Eris because i had 30 days to try it and return it no questions asked. I loved the phone....but no mater how much i tried to convince myself the keyboard would grow on me , it didn't. I absolutely hated it....and the more i used it the more i hated it. it was slow..it was hard to type unless i stopped everything i was doing and squared up to it like i was teeing up at a long par 5. Anything other than that and i would just not be able to use it.

So at day 25 of 30 i first started hearing rumors of the "Incredible"...so back went the eris and the first time i text'd on the enV i was just so happy....i just hope the Incredible keyboard is way better/faster than the Eris.

JMO.
 
Sigmund Droid said:
Second, from what I've read the software issues at the heart of this lawsuit filing primarily revolve around multi-touch. Does Win Mo 6.5 have Multi-touch capabilities? I'm not aware that it does or doesn't, as I've never used it, but I know Sense which runs on top of it on the HD2 does, which is why I'm guessing how Microsoft got pulled into this?
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From what I read, this lawsuit doesn't even include multitouch.

So why wasn't the HD2 delayed, since it was released after the lawsuit was filed?
 
sparkstsa said:
I don't think htc scares apple at all.... It's about the money. If they want to slow down android all they have to do is bring the iPhone to verizon. I hate to say it, but that will hurt android sales in a big way.
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That is because to the uneducated masses, the iphone still has an "oooo, ahhhh" factor to people
 
Presto343 said:
That is because to the uneducated masses, the iphone still has an "oooo, ahhhh" factor to people
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Or maybe its because it is the best selling phone in the world...ever...it is currently better than any phone verizon sells....right?

i am sure that will change when the Incredible is released...but competition is a good thing...we should hope the iPhone gets 10 times better...it will make everyone work that much harder!!!:D
 
miniSQ said:
Or maybe its because it is the best selling phone in the world...ever...it is currently better than any phone verizon sells....right?

i am sure that will change when the Incredible is released...but competition is a good thing...we should hope the iPhone gets 10 times better...it will make everyone work that much harder!!!:D
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Your first comment regarding vzw is obscenely subjective.

i'm not denying that the iphone revolutionized the smartphone industry or that it is a great phone, but lets face it, it has been the same since it has been released, and it is arguably outdated since the emergence of android phones, like the Droid or Nexus One which allow for some customization and aren't just page after page of apps.

There is very little, if anything an iphone can do that android can't do.


boom, roasted.
 
woodraskam said:
Just as soon as you show me the one where the lawsuit mentions Verizon.
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You don't understand a thing about patent law, do you? Suppose HTC loses it suit to Apple but is not capable of paying the financial damages. Do you know who then can be sued so they can be recovered? Those that sold the infringing products, i.e. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile. Yes, they would be on the hook if they knowingly sold competing products which infringed against Apple's patents.

The reason consumer products companies like ours are required to indemnify and hold retailers harmless is in the event situations like this arise. Problem is that those agreements are only as good as the vendors ability to pay. If the vendor of record, HTC in this instance, does not have the financial wherewithal to cough up millions in potential damages, rest assured Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile and Sprint do and if they sold infringing product then they would be liable.

The beauty of the N1 is that it is not being sold directly by any of the carriers, so they are off the hook. Should Verizon sell the Incredible and that item found to be among those that infringed against Apple's patents then they could be responsible for financial damages should HTC file for bankruptcy, let's say for suppositions sake, and disappear. It's for this reason I see the big four not wanting to even get near this with a 10' pole and why we're not hearing any news or confirmation from them regarding any new HTC Android phones coming to their networks. Only time will tell, but having experience in an unrelated industry I have some understanding of how these things work.
 
woodraskam said:
From what I read, this lawsuit doesn't even include multitouch.

So why wasn't the HD2 delayed, since it was released after the lawsuit was filed?
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That's a good question. I'm guessing because Microsoft is a domestic company with a war chest second only to Wal-Mart's and that there are no worries on T-mobile's part of them not being able to pay damages to Apple should any result from the lawsuit. To be quite honest, do you really think Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer spend sleepless nights worrying about what Steve Jobs is going to do to them next? I doubt it. To them Steve Jobs is like a pesky fly that's always buzzing around your face. Sometimes you're able to swat it and it goes away for a while only to return again later. :D
 
WP 7 seems to be dominating tech headlines. (who cares? not me. .... said the wm 6.1 owner) Gimme my Incredible. You lost me, Microsoft.
 
Presto343 said:
Your first comment regarding vzw is obscenely subjective.

i'm not denying that the iphone revolutionized the smartphone industry or that it is a great phone, but lets face it, it has been the same since it has been released, and it is arguably outdated since the emergence of android phones, like the Droid or Nexus One which allow for some customization and aren't just page after page of apps.

There is very little, if anything an iphone can do that android can't do.


boom, roasted.
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none of that matters. To the normal consumer they are gonna pick the iPhone because it's well established, has tons of accesories, and well... It's an iPhone. We are the exception and I don't think there are enough of us to make a difference. Most normal people arent sitting here reading about this stuff, they are the ones who walk in the store and buy without much research. I think they out number us by a longshot. iPhone on vzw will hurt android more than any law suit.
 
tluv00 said:
Unless it's VZW buying Apple or one of the big 4 I don't see that being bigger than Incredible either. My guess is the dude was talking out of his a$$ on both the Incredible launching in the next week or the "big news".

Of course, I am still going to be watching the Verizon store by my house for deliveries :D
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The big news is probably the Incredible. They are probably one in the same and you are right... He's an @ss talker :D
 
sparkstsa said:
none of that matters. To the normal consumer they are gonna pick the iPhone because it's well established, has tons of accesories, and well... It's an iPhone. We are the exception and I don't think there are enough of us to make a difference. Most normal people arent sitting here reading about this stuff, they are the ones who walk in the store and buy without much research. I think they out number us by a longshot. iPhone on vzw will hurt android more than any law suit.
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I do agree. People will walk into a VZW store and if the salesperson goes we have the iPhone now the person will go :eek: and most likely buy. If they said, we have the incredible, it runs on android, but we also have the iphone. The person is gonna go :eek: and go over to the iphone. If the person walks in and the salesperson goes, we don't have the iPhone, but we have this phone, the Incredible which is similar to the iPhone only better. The person will most likely check it out and buy. Android doesn't have the wow factor yet that the iPhone has established. The iPhone on VZW would be massive. But what would be even more massive is if it actually happened.

Bottom line is the Incredible has the goods to kick the iPhone in the stones (and it most likely will). But for now the common person is gonna go after the iPhone if it is available. If Apple wants to increase USA sales big time and try to steal some love from Android it would release it on Verizon. PLUS, that would probably cost them less $$ than chasing after HTC and Android. You have to remember, the average person isn't sick in the head like us Android Forum Members lol
 
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