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OutofDate1980

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Well both conventions are over. Let round 2 begin.

Thought ex-President Clinton's convention speech provided a surplus of details while both ex-President Bush I & II had a deficit, but were much shorter.
 
Either way you look at it, we're screwed. In any event, I've officially become a registered voter as of last Friday, so I'll be casting my vote come November.
 
NYCHitman1 said:
Either way you look at it, we're screwed. In any event, I've officially become a registered voter as of last Friday, so I'll be casting my vote come November.
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Yeah, we're screwed either way. I plan to continue my practice of not voting for President and just voting on local elections. Both candidates are horrible and neither one of them can seriously jack up my life right?
 
A.Nonymous said:
We already talked about the Romney/Ryan lies. Apparently we're not supposed to talk about the Obama/Biden fibs.

FactCheck.org : FactChecking Obama and Biden
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Read over it, not fibs but reasonable interpretations.

Example:

Romney criticized Obama for withdrawal of troops and ending the Iraq war.

Romney stated: It is my view that the withdrawal of all of our troops from Iraq by the end of this year is an enormous mistake, and failing by the Obama administration. The precipitous withdrawal is unfortunate
 
A.Nonymous said:
Yeah, we're screwed either way. I plan to continue my practice of not voting for President and just voting on local elections. Both candidates are horrible and neither one of them can seriously jack up my life right?
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This is the real world, there is never a perfect choice, one must choose the best available option. At least for President you have at least three choices, more in some states.
 
OutofDate1980 said:
This is the real world, there is never a perfect choice, one must choose the best available option. At least for President you have at least three choices, more in some states.
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I'm sorry, but if the choice is being shot through the head and dieing immediately and being shot in the stomach and bleeding out slowly and painfully it's really not a good choice.

Also, I love how with Romney and Ryan it's a bald faced lie, but with Obama and Biden it's "reasonable interpretations." Biased much?
 
A.Nonymous said:
I'm sorry, but if the choice is being shot through the head and dieing immediately and being shot in the stomach and bleeding out slowly and painfully it's really not a good choice. ...
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Reality check, voting and being murdered are different. Guess which one doesn't rely on coercion ?
 
OutofDate1980 said:
Yet you don't offer a counter example, just unspecific complaining. Bias much ?
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Um, I linked to an entire article detailing the fibs, half truths and flat out lies that Obama and Biden both told. Ryan says that Obama did nothing with the recommendations from a bi-partisan deficit commission. This is true. Ryan didn't mention that he was part of the reason why Obama scuttled those recommendations. Ryan is lying. Obama says that Romney claimed it was "tragic" to end the war in Iraq. In fact Romney said, " It is my view that the withdrawal of all of our troops from Iraq by the end of this year is an enormous mistake, and failing by the Obama administration. The precipitous withdrawal is unfortunate — it’s more than unfortunate, I think it’s tragic. It puts at risk many of the victories that were hard won by the men and women who served there." In another words he's criticizing how Obama pulled the troops out and how fast he pulled the troops out. But Obama is not lying here. He is making a "reasonable interpretation". That's fine.

So one party twists facts and tells half-truths and they are liars who should be ashamed of themselves. The other party does the exact same thing and that is just a "reasonable interpretation" of what the truth really is. One party is lying. The other party is just interpreting the truth in their special way apparently.

ElasticNinja said:
What Europeans care about is how your country acts.
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As stated earlier, Americans don't really care what Europeans think.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Um, I linked to an entire article detailing the fibs, half truths and flat out lies that Obama and Biden both told. ...
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Just because you say something, doesn't make it true. I gave an example from your cited article that disproves "fibs, half truths and flat out lies that Obama and Biden both told."

A.Nonymous said:
... Obama says that Romney claimed it was "tragic" to end the war in Iraq. In fact Romney said, " It is my view that the withdrawal of all of our troops from Iraq by the end of this year is an enormous mistake, and failing by the Obama administration. The precipitous withdrawal is unfortunate
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Ugh. ::Facepalm::

The entire article lists the lies that Obama and Biden both told. The entire article is about those lies. It details exactly what Obama and Biden said, the context the said it in and the actual facts that were wrong. But you dismiss the entire article.

The Romney quote is completely out of context. The article quotes it in context. I quoted it in context. You still claim the Romney quote is accurate. The flat out bias is insanely annoying. You've decided what the truth is and what the facts are is irrelevant.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Ugh. ::Facepalm::

The entire article lists the lies that Obama and Biden both told. The entire article is about those lies. It details exactly what Obama and Biden said, the context the said it in and the actual facts that were wrong. But you dismiss the entire article.

The Romney quote is completely out of context. The article quotes it in context. I quoted it in context. You still claim the Romney quote is accurate. The flat out bias is insanely annoying. You've decided what the truth is and what the facts are is irrelevant.
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We went to war because we were told Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction. Hussein is dead and there were no weapons of mass destruction. No longer need troops in Iraq if war ends are accomplished.

Romney believes withdrawing troops was tragic, therefor the end of war was tragic. It's a logical conclusion you differ with. Fine.

Do you want to discuss another example from your cited article ?
 
Romney never said he believes withdrawing troops was tragic. That's my point. Obama says he said that. He didn't. The quote is entirely out of context. Hence the lie.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Romney never said he believes withdrawing troops was tragic. That's my point. Obama says he said that. He didn't. The quote is entirely out of context. Hence the lie.
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From your cited source. Romney, "I think it's tragic." How is it out of context, hence the lie, because Romney used the adjective "precipitous" ?[FONT=&quot]
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Romney, Nov. 11, 2011: It is my view that the withdrawal of all of our troops from Iraq by the end of this year is an enormous mistake, and failing by the Obama administration. The precipitous withdrawal is unfortunate
 
You have to admit, he could have stated it in a way that didn't sound like he wanted the troops to stay longer. Out of context? Just a bit. I'm sure he didn't mean it as it was said. (i could be wrong) Obama pretty much just used the poor choice of words to his advantage..... Just my 2 cents.
 
kool kat2 said:
You have to admit, he could have stated it in a way that didn't sound like he wanted the troops to stay longer. Out of context? Just a bit. I'm sure he didn't mean it as it was said. (i could be wrong) Obama pretty much just used the poor choice of words to his advantage..... Just my 2 cents.
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True, but they're both professional politicians and they choose their words judiciously. Romney was suggesting the mission wasn't completed, therefore war wasn't completed, therefore troops were still needed, therefore Obama wasn't a competent Commander & Chief. Obama just called Romney out on it, i.e. Hussein is dead, no weapons of mass destruction, no ties to Al Qaeda, therefore mission completed, no troops necessary, war is over is not tragic.

It was a subtle reminder that the Republicans lied to the American people and funded the war with debt at the same time cutting the taxes of those that benefited from the war.
 
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