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Look guys, I understand the arguments that everyone is making for both sides of the coin. However, a little story for you...

I am a VERY tech savvy consumer, and a good portion of professional life is spent analyzing the smartphone industry and the different platforms, so I do have a pretty good basis for what I'm talking about. I've switched back and forth between Android and iOS over the years, always choosing which platform was best for me at the time. I'm now back on Android with the Galaxy S3 on Verizon. Why? Android allows background syncing and we use GOOD at work, which means all my email (roughly 150-200 per day) are always waiting for me vs the pull model on iOS for the same app that could take minutes to sync. Couldn't have been happier with the S3, until today that is...

Today I need to copy text from one email into another, but every time I tried, no matter which app I was in, that app would crash and I'd wind up back at the home screen. OK, I never panic with stuff like this and just assumed it was a glitch with Touchdown. However, I wanted to dot all my i's and cross all my t's before removing Touchdown so I searched these forums only to find that this is a widespread issue with the S3. Not only that, the issue first popped up in June and we're still without a fix from Samsung three months later. Finally I find a solution, either do a factory reset or root the phone. I've rooted in the past and would gladly do that, but can't now as GOOD won't function on a rooted device. Doing a factory reset is just a giant headache, even with the backup and syncing solutions available, and then would require me bothering my IT department for a new PIN for GOOD.

Needless to say, this is infuriating. Apple would never let a phone out into the wild with such an obvious software bug, and if they did, they'd issue a fix rapidly. Yes, I can hear the argument now...but it took Apple a whole product cycle to introduce copy/paste! Yes it did, but when they did it was perfect with no problems since. Yes, Apple is a money-printing machine, and too many of their customers are mindless drones, but that being said, I feel Samsung and too many Android manufacturers are just fine putting out problematic devices and either leaving consumers hanging until the next major software update (Jelly Bean in this case) or the next generation of device.

Guys, we might bemoan the stale state of iOS, the lack of NFC, strange decision regarding the screen, the abysmal software that is iTunes, a dock connector that will now force mass spending on replacements for accessories, or a decision not to go with a bigger battery for the sake of a millimeter of thickness, but now Samsung has driven this consumer to reconsider switching back to his iPhone 4s just to get the most simplistic and core functionality back. Is that good business? Does that inspire confidence in the future of the platform? Today, after being very happy for a month on the S3, I'm truly saddened by the state of the Android camp once again.

This is the second time I'm hearing of the copy and paste problem, but the problem only seems to lie with a very small minority of people, same thing happening for some other things too, for example, a lot of users have posted about how easy their screen smashed when lightly dropping it, I however have dropped it numerous times onto concrete (I even dropped it onto my bedside lamp that was on my bedroom floor at the time, and the lamp smashed lol) from ear height and all I got was a little mark in the corner. I hear quite a lot of people that have said the same as me. So basically it seems that there are a few bad batches of the S3 out there.

I've had no problems at all with my SGS3 when on stock, I only have problems when using a ROM based on a JB leak.

In reply to your "apple fix it straight away", that may or may not be true but if they do its only with problems that EVERYONE is having because they receive a lot of complaints about it, most other companies do the same, but if it's a problem only affecting a few people then they may not know about it or may only see one or 2 people having the problem. They could be looking into it as we speak who knows.
 
Look guys, I understand the arguments that everyone is making for both sides of the coin. However, a little story for you...

I am a VERY tech savvy consumer, and a good portion of professional life is spent analyzing the smartphone industry and the different platforms, so I do have a pretty good basis for what I'm talking about. I've switched back and forth between Android and iOS over the years, always choosing which platform was best for me at the time. I'm now back on Android with the Galaxy S3 on Verizon. Why? Android allows background syncing and we use GOOD at work, which means all my email (roughly 150-200 per day) are always waiting for me vs the pull model on iOS for the same app that could take minutes to sync. Couldn't have been happier with the S3, until today that is...

Today I need to copy text from one email into another, but every time I tried, no matter which app I was in, that app would crash and I'd wind up back at the home screen. OK, I never panic with stuff like this and just assumed it was a glitch with Touchdown. However, I wanted to dot all my i's and cross all my t's before removing Touchdown so I searched these forums only to find that this is a widespread issue with the S3. Not only that, the issue first popped up in June and we're still without a fix from Samsung three months later. Finally I find a solution, either do a factory reset or root the phone. I've rooted in the past and would gladly do that, but can't now as GOOD won't function on a rooted device. Doing a factory reset is just a giant headache, even with the backup and syncing solutions available, and then would require me bothering my IT department for a new PIN for GOOD.

Needless to say, this is infuriating. Apple would never let a phone out into the wild with such an obvious software bug, and if they did, they'd issue a fix rapidly. Yes, I can hear the argument now...but it took Apple a whole product cycle to introduce copy/paste! Yes it did, but when they did it was perfect with no problems since. Yes, Apple is a money-printing machine, and too many of their customers are mindless drones, but that being said, I feel Samsung and too many Android manufacturers are just fine putting out problematic devices and either leaving consumers hanging until the next major software update (Jelly Bean in this case) or the next generation of device.


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Look guys, I understand the arguments that everyone is making for both sides of the coin. However, a little story for you...

I am a VERY tech savvy consumer, and a good portion of professional life is spent analyzing the smartphone industry and the different platforms, so I do have a pretty good basis for what I'm talking about. I've switched back and forth between Android and iOS over the years, always choosing which platform was best for me at the time. I'm now back on Android with the Galaxy S3 on Verizon. Why? Android allows background syncing and we use GOOD at work, which means all my email (roughly 150-200 per day) are always waiting for me vs the pull model on iOS for the same app that could take minutes to sync. Couldn't have been happier with the S3, until today that is...

Today I need to copy text from one email into another, but every time I tried, no matter which app I was in, that app would crash and I'd wind up back at the home screen. OK, I never panic with stuff like this and just assumed it was a glitch with Touchdown. However, I wanted to dot all my i's and cross all my t's before removing Touchdown so I searched these forums only to find that this is a widespread issue with the S3. Not only that, the issue first popped up in June and we're still without a fix from Samsung three months later. Finally I find a solution, either do a factory reset or root the phone. I've rooted in the past and would gladly do that, but can't now as GOOD won't function on a rooted device. Doing a factory reset is just a giant headache, even with the backup and syncing solutions available, and then would require me bothering my IT department for a new PIN for GOOD.

Needless to say, this is infuriating. Apple would never let a phone out into the wild with such an obvious software bug, and if they did, they'd issue a fix rapidly. Yes, I can hear the argument now...but it took Apple a whole product cycle to introduce copy/paste! Yes it did, but when they did it was perfect with no problems since. Yes, Apple is a money-printing machine, and too many of their customers are mindless drones, but that being said, I feel Samsung and too many Android manufacturers are just fine putting out problematic devices and either leaving consumers hanging until the next major software update (Jelly Bean in this case) or the next generation of device.

Guys, we might bemoan the stale state of iOS, the lack of NFC, strange decision regarding the screen, the abysmal software that is iTunes, a dock connector that will now force mass spending on replacements for accessories, or a decision not to go with a bigger battery for the sake of a millimeter of thickness, but now Samsung has driven this consumer to reconsider switching back to his iPhone 4s just to get the most simplistic and core functionality back. Is that good business? Does that inspire confidence in the future of the platform? Today, after being very happy for a month on the S3, I'm truly saddened by the state of the Android camp once again.

Do you really think there will NOT BE A SINGLE customer with problems on i5? If you think like that, you must be on drugs, or have only had one device in your life. There is a fix for the issue you are having. You can root, fix, unroot and no one will even know. 5 users with the same issue do not make phone a bad one.

And the videos quote show just what kind of audience is after iPhone.
 
Look guys, I understand the arguments that everyone is making for both sides of the coin. However, a little story for you...

I am a VERY tech savvy consumer, and a good portion of professional life is spent analyzing the smartphone industry and the different platforms, so I do have a pretty good basis for what I'm talking about. I've switched back and forth between Android and iOS over the years, always choosing which platform was best for me at the time. I'm now back on Android with the Galaxy S3 on Verizon. Why? Android allows background syncing and we use GOOD at work, which means all my email (roughly 150-200 per day) are always waiting for me vs the pull model on iOS for the same app that could take minutes to sync. Couldn't have been happier with the S3, until today that is...

Today I need to copy text from one email into another, but every time I tried, no matter which app I was in, that app would crash and I'd wind up back at the home screen. OK, I never panic with stuff like this and just assumed it was a glitch with Touchdown. However, I wanted to dot all my i's and cross all my t's before removing Touchdown so I searched these forums only to find that this is a widespread issue with the S3. Not only that, the issue first popped up in June and we're still without a fix from Samsung three months later. Finally I find a solution, either do a factory reset or root the phone. I've rooted in the past and would gladly do that, but can't now as GOOD won't function on a rooted device. Doing a factory reset is just a giant headache, even with the backup and syncing solutions available, and then would require me bothering my IT department for a new PIN for GOOD.

Needless to say, this is infuriating. Apple would never let a phone out into the wild with such an obvious software bug, and if they did, they'd issue a fix rapidly. Yes, I can hear the argument now...but it took Apple a whole product cycle to introduce copy/paste! Yes it did, but when they did it was perfect with no problems since. Yes, Apple is a money-printing machine, and too many of their customers are mindless drones, but that being said, I feel Samsung and too many Android manufacturers are just fine putting out problematic devices and either leaving consumers hanging until the next major software update (Jelly Bean in this case) or the next generation of device.

Guys, we might bemoan the stale state of iOS, the lack of NFC, strange decision regarding the screen, the abysmal software that is iTunes, a dock connector that will now force mass spending on replacements for accessories, or a decision not to go with a bigger battery for the sake of a millimeter of thickness, but now Samsung has driven this consumer to reconsider switching back to his iPhone 4s just to get the most simplistic and core functionality back. Is that good business? Does that inspire confidence in the future of the platform? Today, after being very happy for a month on the S3, I'm truly saddened by the state of the Android camp once again.

So because you essentially can't copy and paste(thats literally the only issue you had.) you're instantly heading back to this:

"Guys, we might bemoan the stale state of iOS, the lack of NFC, strange decision regarding the screen, the abysmal software that is iTunes, a dock connector that will now force mass spending on replacements for accessories, or a decision not to go with a bigger battery for the sake of a millimeter of thickness"


Also fix bugs rapidly? I'm sure you're aware how long it took Apple to patch that Java flaw for Mac OSx..
 
Do you really think there will NOT BE A SINGLE customer with problems on i5? If you think like that, you must be on drugs, or have only had one device in your life. There is a fix for the issue you are having. You can root, fix, unroot and no one will even know. 5 users with the same issue do not make phone a bad one.

And the videos quote show just what kind of audience is after iPhone.

If it's only 5 people with the issue, why has Samsung been acknowledging the problem for 2 months and promising a software fix that still hasn't come? I'm not attacking the product, but when it's such a core functionality, this kind of thing shouldn't be let out the door and only hurts perception of the entire Android ecosystem.
 
I didn't say I'm running back, as I'm not, but I was commenting in general to why there are huge perception of quality difference between the two platforms, which does drive the kind of blind loyalty you see toward Apple.
 
a dock connector that will now force mass spending on replacements for accessories

I did a bit of searching and it appears that , although the I5 "Lightning" cable will be included with the phone, it will cost $29 as a separate accessory and is expected not to be available till late October.
 
I didn't say I'm running back, as I'm not, but I was commenting in general to why there are huge perception of quality difference between the two platforms, which does drive the kind of blind loyalty you see toward Apple.

There's plenty of bugs on the iPhone too.
 
You have to admit though. Go to your settings on the S3 and go to dev options -> show all ANRs and check it. Then use your device for the day. Items that do not force close will ANR sometimes and show an output on screen. So on Android not only do they report errors directly to the user (maybe a mistake?) But on some phones they also give the options to see things that are not responding.

On Apple you have none of that. They even made sure not to have the pinwheel of death in IOS. I think this was a brilliant move. If an app fails in Apple it just goes away? Hmmm what happened? My app just went away. Maybe I closed it by accident :). I'll just restart it. In IOS if you have an ANR it just goes to the background and the "home" is displayed. Leaving the user to wonder if they were the cause. Brilliant! Never show an error and the perception is that you do not have them. :)
 
Sorry, you lost me at "fragmented". Argument NULL :smokingsomb:

Just like an argument about anything else inevitably ends up with someone being called Hitler or Nazi, an argument about android always ends up with an argument about "fragmentation".

Its pointless to bring it up. It's also pointless me telling you all that it's pointless bringing it up, but I'm a hypocrite.

? The point is the hardware fragmentation results in a lack of aftermarket peripheral support, since lack of a set form factor. It is what it is. The good news is lots of choices for devices, but not same playing field for aftermarket.

This is a key why the aftermarket industry is huge for the iPhone and a key part of that ecosystem a lot of consumers like.
 
Gang -someone with a bug doesn't deserve anything less than our help.

Let's take the bug issues to other threads and not mix them up here with Apple. Otherwise everyone will go to the dark side.

Thanks.
 
? The point is the hardware fragmentation results in a lack of aftermarket peripheral support, since lack of a set form factor. It is what it is. The good news is lots of choices for devices, but not same playing field for aftermarket.

This is a key why the aftermarket industry is huge for the iPhone and a key part of that ecosystem a lot of consumers like.


OK, sorry - I apologise. I thought you meant Software (i.e Android) fragmentation, which is an argument I loathe.

I suppose I should have continued to read your post but it was all words, no pictures :)
 
Gang -someone with a bug doesn't deserve anything less than our help.

Let's take the bug issues to other threads and not mix them up here with Apple. Otherwise everyone will go to the dark side.

Thanks.

Wait, what? We're NOT the dark side?
 
You have to admit though. Go to your settings on the S3 and go to dev options -> show all ANRs and check it. Then use your device for the day. Items that do not force close will ANR sometimes and show an output on screen. So on Android not only do they report errors directly to the user (maybe a mistake?) But on some phones they also give the options to see things that are not responding.

On Apple you have none of that. They even made sure not to have the pinwheel of death in IOS. I think this was a brilliant move. If an app fails in Apple it just goes away? Hmmm what happened? My app just went away. Maybe I closed it by accident :). I'll just restart it. In IOS if you have an ANR it just goes to the background and the "home" is displayed. Leaving the user to wonder if they were the cause. Brilliant! Never show an error and the perception is that you do not have them. :)

Which makes people like you think that it is bug less and perfect
 
You have to admit though. Go to your settings on the S3 and go to dev options -> show all ANRs and check it. Then use your device for the day. Items that do not force close will ANR sometimes and show an output on screen. So on Android not only do they report errors directly to the user (maybe a mistake?) But on some phones they also give the options to see things that are not responding.
There's a reason that's an option in DEVELOPER options. That way devs can see what is going on in the background. It is off by default and if something isn't responding there is no dialog saying so.

I would much rather have an app in using close and give me a dialog that way I know it's not something I did instead of it just disappearing from my screen.
 
Hey is it true that unless you're on At&t you can't use data and talk at the same time on the I5? Guess it's CDMA thing. I reading something about it on the Verge today...

I can use data and talk on my SIII on Sprint, no problems.



Also $30.00 a pop for the sync cable adapter? C'mon Apple!
 
Wait, what? We're NOT the dark side?

I stand corrected on that point. :D



Hey is it true that unless you're on At&t you can't use data and talk at the same time on the I5? I reading something about it on the Verge today...

Also $30.00 a pop for the sync cable adapter? C'mon Apple!

Yep, as mentioned in one of the Lounge threads (too subtle? lol), an Apple spokesperson gave untruthful double-talk, quoted in the Verge article, about how that couldn't be done with single radio tech and CDMA. Except - yes it can be and yes Android models already do it.
 
Ha ha.. Carracerz14, I know why it is there :) I am a dev :) If you like we can have a discussion about why you get an ANR all the way down to context switching between user and process space? I am not sure what you mean by "People like you" I am sure you meant well :)

I was just stating the differences. It is differing methodologies and is quite brilliant on Apples part. This is how they get the "It just works" mantra so widely spread.

carz -- For the future -- You may want to assume in the positive while reading posts rather than jumping straight to the negative. Just a thought :)

PS.. My preference is to run with ANRs showing while trying to diagnose an issue with run away processes/heavy battery drain. I then immediately disable afterwards. I also show CPU.
 
I remember when the Iphone 3G came out, I actually took a half day off of work and stood in line for almost 4.5 hours (got there at 6:00am), at the local Apple store. I was the 4th or 5th person in line.

Looking back on it I don't know why I was compelled to do that. Would never do that again, for any phone...:confused:
 
Which makes people like you think that it is bug less and perfect

Well he obviously doesn't think that, as he just explained the process to us. He is simply saying that it is smart/sneaky/crafty of Apple to hide the crashes and make themselves look better.
 
As crummy as the specs are for the new iphone, I'm pretty sure Apple could release a copy of the old Nokia 5100 series
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and the sheep would still gladly line up and empty out their wallets for one.

who knows, mabye they'll actually start this one out at a decent price, as they are surely banking on making fortunes from the new accessories since they are changing the port.
 
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