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I hope you don't include me in that group of "everyday people". Silicone has been my passion for a long time and I have tried to research as much as possible. Now if I'm flat wrong about something then please show me proof, and I will change my tone immediately. I don't want to disseminate bad information, but I want to try and inform people as much as possible.

Are there any good Opengl ES 2.0 benchmark results for these chips that you can show me? I've been looking for a long time and all I find are 1.1 benchmarks

http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&D1=Apple iPhone 3G S&D2=HTC T8585 HD2&D3=Samsung i8910 OmniaHD
Android OS doesn't support Opengl 2.0 if im not mistaken. They have hardware to support it but the OS doesn't.

Listen, im not saying CPU doesn't play a big role, it does. But the DROID can be better/same as Snapdragon. A lot of people just assume it's old and slow because snapdragon CPU runs at 1ghz while the DROID cpu runs at 550mhz. If you push the DROID CPU to 1.1ghz (it will still be a bit slower than snapdragon because of architecture etc..but not by much or anything noticeable) it will essentially be just as fast as Snapdragon. Then you add into the mix the GPU's, in terms of real-time performance, the PowerVR in the DROID and iPhone 3GS is just overall better than the AMD in Snapdragon giving the edge to the DROID IMHO when the DROID CPU is as 1.1ghz.

That video of the OMAP 3630 gives a good sense of how much the GPU can help in games etc...compared to the current GPU in the DROID and iPhone 3GS. 60FPS increase is hell of a lot in 3D apps.
 
I read through the latest @VZWOffers, and only 1 wasn't related to "Your Current phones suck. Give us some N1/Incredible news"


Someone higher up in VZW has to notice this. It's ridiculous.

Good work guys - sick 'em.

I LOL'd thinking about the poor guy(girl) whose job it is to manage that twitter account having the pent up rage and frustration of this thread reigned down on him.:eek::D:D:D:D
 
Only problem with this plan is that Google Voice only handles SMS not MMS at the moment. Unless something has changed.

Still doesn't handle SMS but they can always send the picture to your gmail and youll get it just as quick. You just wont be able to send pictures to anyone unless they also have a smart phone.
 
It's all about pleasing shareholders. anyone who says different is naive.


Last time I checked Verizon along with the other carriers are in the "Network" business. The phones are a means to an end. The reason carriers sell smartphones is to drive data usage. If smartphones did not drive usage we would likely be still using voice only dumb phones.

Many years ago companies leased space on high level mountain tops for 2-way radio and paging transmitters. Cellular carriers leased low level sites and roof tops for cell sites. The 2-way and paging business is all but dead. However, cellular carriers are now leasing that space to build out microwave hops for their networks.

Carrier required data plans are here to stay. The sad reality is we may soon see our unlimited data plans go by the wayside in the future.

just my cent and a half. I am not as deserving as the others that bring 2 cents to this forum.
 
Android OS doesn't support Opengl 2.0 if im not mistaken. They have hardware to support it but the OS doesn't.

Listen, im not saying CPU doesn't play a big role, it does. But the DROID can be better/same as Snapdragon. A lot of people just assume it's old and slow because snapdragon CPU runs at 1ghz while the DROID cpu runs at 550mhz. If you push the DROID CPU to 1.1ghz (it will still be a bit slower than snapdragon because of architecture etc..but not by much or anything noticeable) it will essentially be just as fast as Snapdragon. Then you add into the mix the GPU's, in terms of real-time performance, the PowerVR in the DROID and iPhone 3GS is just overall better than the AMD in Snapdragon giving the edge to the DROID IMHO when the DROID CPU is as 1.1ghz.

That video of the OMAP 3630 gives a good sense of how much the GPU can help in games etc...compared to the current GPU in the DROID and iPhone 3GS. 60FPS increase is hell of a lot in 3D apps.

If the video shows a dramtic difference (sorry, havent been able to watch it yet since youtube is blocked at work) then how do you expalin it since the 3430 and the 3630 have the same gpu and cpu architecture (qualcomm is the only company that just bought the instruction set and designed their own architecture) with just a die shrink which allows a faster clock at low power/heat?
 
regarding the chip discussion. I overclocked a droid for someone to 1ghz and it didn't feel as fast as the nexus one by far.
Theres something enabled in Snapdragon abbreviated with the initials "JIT" i don't remember what it stands for but this is why Snapdragon was still 60% faster in CPU benchmarks even when the DROID was overclock to 1.1ghz.

Cyanogen enables JIT for the DROID so when the benchmark was done again, the Nexus One or Snapdragon was only faster by like 5-10%, something around that. Im guessing JIT wasn't enabled when you overclocked to 1GHZ.....im not saying it's going to be faster than the Snapdragon CPU anyway. Snapdragon was modified to increase CPU speeds from the ARM architecture.

In simpler terms, it's a battle between the Xbox 360 and PS3 all over again.

PS3 has a better CPU, Xbox 360 has a better GPU.

It's the developers that decide which one is better, i'll just end it at that for now. But this is difficult because unlike Apple and the iPhone......hardware varies for every handset.
 
I read through the latest @VZWOffers, and only 1 wasn't related to "Your Current phones suck. Give us some N1/Incredible news"


Someone higher up in VZW has to notice this. It's ridiculous.

Some of those tweets are quite amusing- go get em guys;)
 
Theres something enabled in Snapdragon abbreviated with the initials "JIT" i don't remember what it stands for but this is why Snapdragon was still 60% faster in CPU benchmarks even when the DROID was overclock to 1.1ghz.

Cyanogen enables JIT for the DROID so when the benchmark was done again, the Nexus One or Snapdragon was only faster by like 5-10%, something around that. Im guessing JIT wasn't enabled when you overclocked to 1GHZ.....im not saying it's going to be faster than the Snapdragon CPU anyway. Snapdragon was modified to increase CPU speeds from the ARM architecture.

In simpler terms, it's a battle between the Xbox 360 and PS3 all over again.

PS3 has a better CPU, Xbox 360 has a better GPU.

It's the developers that decide which one is better, i'll just end it at that for now. But this is difficult because unlike Apple and the iPhone......hardware varies for every handset.

I assume they're talking about the Java Just-In-Time compiler.
 
This all just makes me sick. :mad:


i agree this is getting very old.. sprint kills verizon at ctia..verizon stays quiet..htc hd2 makes some little waves to help tmo..apple going to crush microsoft with news few days prior to theirs to keep people thinking apple. What if apple decides to announce verizon icrap phone too..verizon will prolly delay incredible till june!

im going to vzw this afternoon to xchange my env touch again and if no one gives me info im putting them thru a wall..i know its not their fault but my anger has got to be focused somewhere and maybe verizon will open their eyes and give info once they realize their workers getting roughed up over their inability to share valuable info! haha
 
I need a punch in the face cause I am considering getting the Palm Pre Plus out of cheapskate desperation...$29.99 best buy free mobile Hotspot...:mad:


I'm about there myself. If only the Palm had a landscape keyboard, I might have already jumped onto that boat... Oh and they don't have as many apps.
 
I just wanted to post one thing - when people mention NKT, please use the correct three letters in the correct order. I think every post I have ever read mentioning him calls him "NTK", "NDK", "QR5"... it's ONLY THREE LETTERS!!!

That is all.
 
If the video shows a dramtic difference (sorry, havent been able to watch it yet since youtube is blocked at work) then how do you expalin it since the 3430 and the 3630 have the same gpu and cpu architecture (qualcomm is the only company that just bought the instruction set and designed their own architecture) with just a die shrink which allows a faster clock at low power/heat?
Texas Instruments OMAP 3630 Android prototype: photos and video! | Electricpig

Here you can read that. It's not much i know but it's better than nothing, you'll still be unable to watch the video.

Im not familiar with the 3630 myself, as the article says, it's similar to the predecessor but does so much more. HD video, 720p output @ 30FPS which is basically the max for movies etc...and he also notes that the live wallpapers or watever are much much smoother on the 3630 than the Nexus One.

Edit: i watch the video which is a bit different from the other one. And you can hear the guy in the background say it's a shrink (already known) but has a few enhancements and basically the result is just a lot faster GPU and has a lot more features.
 
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