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Xbox Reveal

NYCHitman1

NYCHitman1

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BONKERS. All I can say is that I have no idea how PS4/PSN will be able to compete after what Microsoft just announced.
 
Oh FINALLY someone else who's actually interested in this. I'm really liking the voice and gesture interface and multitasking features. It really reminds me of Android (or Windows 8) with motion control. Finally a console with a serious operating system. Sure they didn't show that many games or whatever, but that's what E3 is for.

Honestly I don't know why people were expecting a ton of games anyway... Microsoft doesn't usually rely on first-party games when they have such strong third-party support. The fact that they showed any games at all is a plus to me.
 
While there has been some rather incessant whining going on throughout the Internet, I have to say that people don't understand what Microsoft is doing.

They have figured out a way to dominate your living room. They want to be the center attraction of entertainment, which if you own an Xbox 360 - it likely already is the main attraction (at least as far as features go for household electronics). They are no longer in the "gaming" business. They are in the "entertainment" business, which includes gaming amongst other forms of entertainment.
 
I'm going to be one of those whiners as I want a gaming console, not an entertainment center. I fully understand Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo are all pushing the motion control gimmick as hard as they can as it attracts casual gamers, which make up the majority of users and in turn makes them more money. I understand that they want an "all in one" entertainment console, but I simply do not like that gaming has taken a back seat to some silly gimmick features.

I do like Netflix and having a built in Bluray player, but other than that I don't want or need anything else. I would much rather trade all these gimmicks like voice controls for 120 FPS games or 32 GB of RAM or taking advantage of the new 4K TVs.

Honestly, the hardware is weaker than a mediocre gaming computer already, let alone when it will launch in six months. Of course consoles were always dwarfed by PCs, but at least they were able to have somewhat respectable hardware at least in the early life stages of the consoles. I'd like to see what developers could do with a monster of a console, I mean Forza 5 already looks ridiculous on 8 GB of RAM, cut them loose with 32 GB or something obnoxious like that and pave the way for gaming. That is how you revolutionize gaming, IMO, as a gamer. But Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo already chose the path of an entertainment center instead of furthering gaming consoles as a priority, as much as I cry or any one else does it's not going to change it.

But hey, at least we got dedicated servers. I will be happy with that if the fee for XBox Live Gold stays the same, but I have a strong feeling it will start costing significantly more with dedicated servers.
 
ParishL31 said:
...But Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo already chose the path of an entertainment center instead of furthering gaming consoles as a priority, as much as I cry or any one else does it's not going to change it.

But hey, at least we got dedicated servers. I will be happy with that if the fee for XBox Live Gold stays the same, but I have a strong feeling it will start costing significantly more with dedicated servers.
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Microsoft is pushing the "center of the living room" angle much harder than either Sony or Nintendo. Sony has some of that stuff, and Nintendo doesn't focus on it much at all.

This is really what I was expecting from Microsoft. They've been focusing more on ESPN, Netflix, Movies, TV, Music, etc. than games for a few years now. I was pleased to see how fluid transitioning from app to app looks. The user experience seems very polished. I didn't care about most of what they covered. I have no interest in sports, sports gaming/fantasy, but I do realize this as the next step for their vision of a mainstream set top box that also plays games.

The name is kind of weird. I had heard "Xbox 720," "Xbox Infinity," or just "Xbox;" not Xbox One. I also think it's weird that the console just looks like an older cable set top box. Did they say anything about DVR functionality?

I really don't like that Kinect must be plugged for the console to work. I get that the whole experience is built around voice controls, But I've always thought that as a gaming controller Kinect is Gimmicky. Also, having a motion tracking camera that can recognize people sitting in your living room, watching anyone who is using the TV at all times... Sounds like a privacy nightmare and a marketers wet dream. They could conceivably target ads based on who is the room; and they will know each users favorite TV shows, music, gaming habits, etc.

Concerning Xbox Live. My guess is the price will stay the same. The question is how many of these new features are going to require additional fees on top of Live? We already have to pay for gold to use the Netflix app (only on Xbox!).

I could see myself actually using the Xbox TV stuff if it can be used as a DVR. I wasn't impressed by anything Sony has shown off so far, but I like that they are focusing on the games, and expanding the Indie scene onto the PS4. I'm looking forward to seeing what each company brings to E3.
 
I like what MS is doing overall....I can see me using the Xbox One to replace my cable box. But the details after the reveal is hurting MS for the gaming part of the system. All I know is my initial reaction to the reveal was:

Xbox One?
Its huuuge....

Hopefully the details after the reveal are mostly wrong. If not.....its pushing lots of ppl towards the PS4....and we havent even seen the PS4 yet or got any more details about it.
 
Will xbox tv actually work outside the US? Seems like they've just given a big middle finger to a huge chunk of their market by expecting people to buy their product and not being able to use all the features. Considering the ps3 sold more consoles worldwide despite the Xbox dominating the US I'd have thought they would be trying to break into the European and Japanese market this time round instead of alienating them even more. Plus they didn't go into much detail about hardware specs which suggests to me that Sony has the more powerful machine again.
 
I have no interest in handing control of my living room over to Microsoft, and I don't care about the gimmicks, either. Motion controls suck, period, isn't that fad over yet? Using the cloud for gameplay elements sounds like it will need an always-on internet connection just to play it, used games may be a no-go. Pass everything through your Xbox? I already have everything going through my AVR. Will it take an engineer to hook this thing up lol? I wish MS and Sony would both focus on the games.Don't want or need the rest.

edit: this article says it "doesn't" need an always-on data connection, but even single player, offline games have to connect to the internet every day. The voice and Kinect always listening and watching are downright creepy.

http://gizmodo.com/the-new-xbox-everything-you-need-to-know-about-microso-509033619
 
Shotgun84 said:
Plus they didn't go into much detail about hardware specs which suggests to me that Sony has the more powerful machine again.
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Dont know where I read the specific specs....but it seems the Xbox One is going to focus more on the UI than the PS4. PS4 is gonna be more focused on the games. Looking at the demo of the Xbox One I believe it. Its nice....and I see myself using the Xbox One to replace my cable box. Something about 5GB of the 8GB of ram is devoted to games for the Xbox One vs 7GB of the 8GB of ram for the PS4. If all thats true...

Different types of memory in each system IIRC. I also thought this was hilarious:

http://kotaku.com/the-entire-xbox-one-reveal-summed-up-in-1-5-hilarious-509197649

Not knocking MS for what they wanna do..I actually liked what I saw yesterday......but dont alienate the gamers....
 
I never fully understood why they required a paid XBox Live account in order to use Netflix. I can understand wanting people to pay for your service, but we already pay for Netflix. Why make me pay again to use it? It's free to run on the PS3 and Wii.

I personally have no desire to buy another XBox. I still have my original, modded XBox and we have a 360 as well. Even if they make another Halo, the appeal for me just isn't there. My 9-yr old son is excited about it though.

I'd rather have a PS4, if even only for the next version of InFamous but that's just me.

/Not trying to threadjack and turn this into a XBox vs. PS4 thread. Just expressing an opinion. :)
 
Mayhem said:
I never fully understood why they required a paid XBox Live account in order to use Netflix. I can understand wanting people to pay for your service, but we already pay for Netflix. Why make me pay again to use it? It's free to run on the PS3 and Wii.

I personally have no desire to buy another XBox. I still have my original, modded XBox and we have a 360 as well. Even if they make another Halo, the appeal for me just isn't there. My 9-yr old son is excited about it though.

I'd rather have a PS4, if even only for the next version of InFamous but that's just me.

/Not trying to threadjack and turn this into a XBox vs. PS4 thread. Just expressing an opinion. :)
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Hey. I'm not even mad at ya. I actually see myself owning both at some point. As you stated, there are some exclusives that folks may want to play. I know that I want to play InFamous, The Last of Us, FF15, and some others.

However, there won't be another Halo. That ship has sailed. Bungie's new project is called Destiny, which is an MMOFPS-esque game.
 
I'm still concerned about the handling of games. They say used games will work, and that it won't need to be always online, but the registration of your game's serial number worries me. How will it affect purchasing of used games or using a service like gamefly, or affect borrowing/lending games with friends, or bringing the game myself to a friend's house and playing offline?
 
Shotgun84 said:
A bit more info that wasn't in the reveal
Microsoft Answers Xbox One Questions: Used Games, Always On and More - Forbes
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jhawkkw said:
I'm still concerned about the handling of games. They say used games will work, and that it won't need to be always online, but the registration of your game's serial number worries me. How will it affect purchasing of used games or using a service like gamefly, or affect borrowing/lending games with friends, or bringing the game myself to a friend's house and playing offline?
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I can see that being a HUGE negative for many who enjoy sharing their games with relatives and/or friends. Essentially, I would think that would make a service like GameFly go out of business since each user would have to purchase the game as if it were brand new (in theory). I'm not sure what possessed Microsoft to add something like this to the console and its services, but it was definitely not a wise decision.
 
The other concern I have is with their whole TV Box deal. Is it going to run on cable lines or through internet streaming? Cause if it's internet streaming, it won't work well for everyone. Not everyone can stream HD videos with their internet speeds already. The reason people still have traditional cable service is because there is zero lag at all and definitely no buffering. Not to mention bandwidth consumption on a TV Box purely run on internet.

Not to mention, traditional TV services are pretty expensive monthly. Will Microsoft have really low pricing to lure people into the new service, or will they just do competitive pricing and ask for $50+ a month like everyone else?

Time will tell.

But I also agree that's a huge bummer for the "used games" when people will bring games to their friends house to play there for a night and will run into the hassles of having to log in and authorize a license key and all that nonsense. And it may not even be possible if there's no internet access. And simply just borrowing games between friends will be impossible now...at least how it stands now, hopefully it's just rumors.
 
NYCHitman1 said:
However, there won't be another Halo. That ship has sailed. Bungie's new project is called Destiny, which is an MMOFPS-esque game.
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343 Studio's is in charge of Halo now. They did the 25th Anniversary edition and Halo 4. A lot of former Bungie guys are there. They've a good job with it so far.
 
NYCHitman1 said:
I can see that being a HUGE negative for many who enjoy sharing their games with relatives and/or friends. Essentially, I would think that would make a service like GameFly go out of business since each user would have to purchase the game as if it were brand new (in theory). I'm not sure what possessed Microsoft to add something like this to the console and its services, but it was definitely not a wise decision.
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Yeah, the whole gaming industry is moving in anti consumer directions, probably being led by the game developers like Electronic Arts, Activision, and Ubisoft. Is it any coincidence that the first two were featured on stage during the presentation? I think not. :mad:
 
Italo said:
343 Studio's is in charge of Halo now. They did the 25th Anniversary edition and Halo 4. A lot of former Bungie guys are there. They've a good job with it so far.
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I know that and understand it, but that doesn't change the fact that milking Halo is a bad idea. Sure, a web series isn't so bad, but that doesn't mean they should go make a new game either. The Halo universe ended marvelously. Leave it at that. I'd hate to see the franchise go the CoD route.
 
NYCHitman1 said:
I know that and understand it, but that doesn't change the fact that milking Halo is a bad idea. Sure, a web series isn't so bad, but that doesn't mean they should go make a new game either. The Halo universe ended marvelously. Leave it at that.
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Agreed. Halo 4 had a great ending, though it looks like they'll make another because they left the door open for it.:(

NYCHitman1 said:
I'd hate to see the franchise go the CoD route.
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I can't play CoD anymore. I feel like I'm wasting my money buying the same crap over and over again.
 
More about the specs:

Spec Analysis: Xbox One • Articles • Eurogamer.net

PS4 specs vs. Xbox One specs - RAM, graphics, and more -- PlayStation Universe

Now.....PS4 is supposed to have GDDR5 vs DDR3 in the Xbox One. Like I posted earlier.....MS went with this type of ram probably because it helps more with the UI features vs what the PS4 has. Or they just didnt want to or couldnt go with GDDR5. Keep seeing the PS4 can allocate more ram to games than the Xbox One.....so I am still assuming they will focus more on the UI and features than the PS4.
 
I think if they succeed in killing used games and putting Gamestop out of business, they will only end up hurting themselves. A lot of people won't run out to buy more $60+ games, they will just end up losing interest altogether.
 
NYCHitman1 said:
I know that and understand it, but that doesn't change the fact that milking Halo is a bad idea. Sure, a web series isn't so bad, but that doesn't mean they should go make a new game either. The Halo universe ended marvelously. Leave it at that. I'd hate to see the franchise go the CoD route.
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When they announced Halo 4 it was introduced as the first in a new trilogy. So, they are making at least two more games. I agree that they should be careful about overdoing it. I would hate to see the series become an annual cash grab.
 
Gmash said:
I think if they succeed in killing used games and putting Gamestop out of business, they will only end up hurting themselves. A lot of people won't run out to buy more $60+ games, they will just end up losing interest altogether.
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Or more people will play on PC. It would the same business model on all platforms at that point, but PC has enough competition that games go on sale on a regular basis. To me, it's usually easier to find a good deal on a PC download than a boxed copy.

I wonder if this will increase piracy on the next gen consoles.
 
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