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Official EVO Rumors and Speculation thread

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i searched around to find the best real world life size frontal image to compare the EVO's physical and display size and i think this is a good one -



comparing it to my Centro i really get a feel for just how big this puppy's display is.
 
Gekko said:
can you stream these? with what app(s)? i don't have an Android device to test yet. thanks.

Bloomberg Radio

Live Bloomberg Radio

mms://a1042.l2489851244.c24898.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1042/24898/v0001/reflector:51244

Hot 97

http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/WQHTFMAAC.pls

PM me since we are veering OT. THANKS!
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For Bloomberg you might need a specific app but that Hot 97 station is just streaming like a regular shoutcast station. Anything capable of playing a streaming mp3 can play that link.
 
LatinP said:
People who say that task killers shouldn't be used because they hog up battery life are users that don't understand how to use a task killer. If you flag certain apps to be auto killed Android will re-run it automatically therefore you end up killing your battery because the task killer kills it and android reopens it back up creating a viscous cycle and killing your battery, certain apps need to be running all the time.
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I hear that the "Advanced Task Killer" is one of the best. I'll probably get that when I get the EVO. Right now, I'm using "Task Killer". Without it, my battery drains in a hurry on my Hero.

The reason you need a task killer is because the apps and widgets you use don't close like an app does on you desktop computer. That means your available memory keeps decreasing during the day. Sometimes, I get to the point where things don't work right, due to the lack of memory.

These task killers are smart and don't close everything. You can choose to close certain apps, or you can run it globally to close apps you're not using. If it weren't for Task Killer, you'd have to keep rebooting your phone.
 
Supersonical said:
1) release date will be on June 13th give or take a week. May is not going to happen, so don't worry or get your hopes up about that one
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Yesterday, SP really had me going when he said the EVO would be released on May 22nd. What he really was saying is you can't trust CSR's in those online chats, because they one of them told him the phone would be released on May 22nd.

When you say June 13th or even a week later, you're getting into the time frame where ALL the talk is going to be centered around the new iPhone. I kept talking about that yesterday, but I really feel a late June release would be a disaster. Anything Sprint has to say about the EVO will go on deaf ears, because the talk-of-the-town will be the iPhone.
 
billsmed said:
I hear that the "Advanced Task Killer" is one of the best. I'll probably get that when I get the EVO. Right now, I'm using "Task Killer". Without it, my battery drains in a hurry on my Hero.

The reason you need a task killer is because the apps and widgets you use don't close like an app does on you desktop computer. That means your available memory keeps decreasing during the day. Sometimes, I get to the point where things don't work right, due to the lack of memory.

These task killers are smart and don't close everything. You can choose to close certain apps, or you can run it globally to close apps you're not using. If it weren't for Task Killer, you'd have to keep rebooting your phone.
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Bill, I believe that Android has a built-in task manager. Here is a technical write-up of the processes:

davidquintana.com

"If the system needs additional memory, the least-frequently used apps that are suspended (in the background) have their state saved to persistent storage and are then killed, freeing up their memory."
 
billsmed said:
I hear that the "Advanced Task Killer" is one of the best. I'll probably get that when I get the EVO. Right now, I'm using "Task Killer". Without it, my battery drains in a hurry on my Hero.

The reason you need a task killer is because the apps and widgets you use don't close like an app does on you desktop computer. That means your available memory keeps decreasing during the day. Sometimes, I get to the point where things don't work right, due to the lack of memory.

These task killers are smart and don't close everything. You can choose to close certain apps, or you can run it globally to close apps you're not using. If it weren't for Task Killer, you'd have to keep rebooting your phone.
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While this is true for critical native & OS start up services and certain built in apps, external services that come with some apps for example Facebook, or Twitter run off 2 primary components the GUI front-end & a background service which listens for anything new then posts it to the front-end. If your task bar kills that app every time it tries to free up battery the OS knows it's an always-on application and tries to re-open it thus creating the vicious cycle I was talking about and literally eats away at your battery.

I've seen it talked about alot the task killer doesn't consume the battery it just kills apps that theoretically shouldn't be closed and the app itself tells the OS hey this needs to stay open so I can post if any changes are made and bam the cycle begins. That's where I was hinting at in my earlier post. I agree about needing a task killer always have used one, as of late I've been using one that's actually built into a launcher which is great since it's built into the launcher that's one less extra app I need to have installed.
 
esone1ll said:
Bill, I believe that Android has a built-in task manager. Here is a technical write-up of the processes:

davidquintana.com

"If the system needs additional memory, the least-frequently used apps that are suspended (in the background) have their state saved to persistent storage and are then killed, freeing up their memory."
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I'm not disagreeing and it could be that Android 2.1 handles memory differently than Android 1.5 (which is what my Hero has).

I'll have to study that article in more detail, but even in the words you stated, the apps are suspended in the background, but it's still in memory.

I find that my phone works better and the battery lasts longer when I kill the background apps I'm not using. That's all. So in my opinion, Task Killer is a necessary app.
 
billsmed said:
I'm not disagreeing and it could be that Android 2.1 handles memory differently than Android 1.5 (which is what my Hero has).

I'll have to study that article in more detail, but even in the words you stated, the apps are suspended in the background, but it's still in memory.

I find that my phone works better and the battery lasts longer when I kill the background apps I'm not using. That's all. So in my opinion, Task Killer is a necessary app.
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If setup correctly Bill would be right, if you know which apps needs to only be loaded when used and killed when not in use you're most definitely going to get more juice out of your battery and speed up the OS. I'm also not sure if you use many of the apps that cause these problems mainly social networking apps which I avoid like the plague.
 
i think i will keep my apps and widgets running in the background to a bare minimum. i don't want to sacrifice performance and battery life for dubious unnecessary data feeds that i can otherwise bring up as needed. although the stocks widget and the weather widget look sweet.
 
Gekko said:
i think i will keep my apps and widgets running in the background to a bare minimum. i don't want to sacrifice performance and battery life for dubious unnecessary data feeds that i can otherwise bring up as needed. although the stocks widget and the weather widget look sweet.
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You'll be happy to know Google is addressing the problem and it shouldn't be a problem after Froyo is released. They're hooking all on-load services to a JIT compiler which will make these fancy widgets and background services only load (and un-load) when they are actually doing something thus this shouldn't be a problem in the future. You can read how JIT works in my write up under the Froyo topic in this forum.

Link: http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/67449-froyo.html
 
This is just an observation, but I found that when I reboot the phone, certain apps that I've downloaded are automatically set to run at startup, similar to the way a program automatically starts that's in your Windows startup folder. I usually keep that folder fairly clean and would like to learn how to do the same thing on the EVO when I get it.
 
LatinP said:
I'm also not sure if you use many of the apps that cause these problems mainly social networking apps which I avoid like the plague.
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agreed. i have neither the time nor the inclination to get constant useless automatic streams of endless facebook updates and twitter tweets clogging, cluttering, and burning up my device all day.
 
billsmed said:
This is just an observation, but I found that when I reboot the phone, certain apps that I've downloaded are automatically set to run at startup, similar to the way a program automatically starts that's in your Windows startup folder. I usually keep that folder fairly clean and would like to learn how to do the same thing on the EVO when I get it.
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These apps may have a background service they're linked to link I mentioned above OR, could be poorly developed and have a startup flag coded into them. so when the OS sweeps your app library when you boot up it looks for apps which are flagged to start with the OS, if the developer flagged the app to be started on boot it will whether it is needed or not.

Mind you some apps should be left running in the background some really shouldn't. I've seen some random "free" apps with ads enabled do just this. Sadly there is no true way to stop it other than to kill it yourself or have a task killer do it for you which is the way to go at least until Froyo comes out.

Get Automatic Task Killer it comes with a scheduling service installed that will sweep all running apps that shouldn't be and like advanced task killer lets you pick which apps you'd like to keep open and which to automatically delete, it also checks for "roaming apps" as I call them periodically and makes sure your squeaky clean, I believe the latest versions also let you choose how often you want it to scan for apps.
 
Supersonical said:
1) release date will be on June 13th give or take a week. May is not going to happen, so don't worry or get your hopes up about that one

2) If you call tele sales they can usually help upgrade you early as long as you sign a 2 year contract. An in store location does not always have they seniority or know how to accomplish this.

3) The Evo is coming with the largest battery in the cellphone industry. It would come with something bigger but it deosn't exist. It should last you a full day though. People make it out like saying 4G takes up sooo much battery life. That is soo false its not even funny. Its actually wuite the opposite. 4G allows you to process info faster and do things quicker so your processor and other components of your phone don't have to work as hard. By doing this they are working les saving you energy. You will be able to do more things like video chatting and such which will use battery life, but you should know that already. If you are just going to use the phone as you would the NExus or another android device you will servivie a full day without dying. Even though it has a bigger 4.3" display i can assure you (i know this for fact) that HTC has done all they can to make it the most efficient phone on the market.

you will all enjoy this one i promise.

Jackson
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Thanks Jackson,

based on what you have been saying - the forst 2 were SOMEWHAT "tongue in cheek". The 3rd was not.

Regarding #2, I'm just waiting for the official release date - then I'll start calling. I have no problem with a 2 year contract.
 
LatinP said:
These apps may have a background service they're linked to link I mentioned above OR, could be poorly developed and have a startup flag coded into them. so when the OS sweeps your app library when you boot up it looks for apps which are flagged to start with the OS, if the developer flagged the app to be started on boot it will whether it is needed or not.

Mind you some apps should be left running in the background some really shouldn't. I've seen some random "free" apps with ads enabled do just this. Sadly there is no true way to stop it other than to kill it yourself or have a task killer do it for you which is the way to go at least until Froyo comes out.

Get Automatic Task Killer it comes with a scheduling service installed that will sweep all running apps that shouldn't be and like advanced task killer lets you pick which apps you'd like to keep open and which to automatically delete, it also checks for "roaming apps" as I call them periodically and makes sure your squeaky clean, I believe the latest versions also let you choose how often you want it to scan for apps.
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I found the Automatic Task Killer v2.5.4 in the Android Library and it's free.


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For those that don't know about Quick Response (QR Codes) and want to learn more, we can start a separate thread. Things we can discuss are how to add QR Codes to your business cards, Contact Information on your website, or on your phone so people you're in direct contact with, can scan your code to get your name, address and phone number.

If you have a barcode reader on your phone (there are quite a few), you can scan the QR Code like this one to automatically download the Automatic Task Killer to your phone.

9uZPs6

 
Bill - personally, I would like to see a new thread discussing QR codes and other apps. I'm coming from the Instinct and know little if anything about how Android really works. Something for newbies would be nice.

Thank you for everything with this forum! I GREATLY prefer the constructive info, sharing, and sense of "community" this group brings (as opposed to another site where this is not true). I have fun reading the posts, back-and-forth, personal support, etc.
 
billsmed said:
For those that don't know about Quick Response (QR Codes) and want to learn more, we can start a separate thread. Things we can discuss are how to add QR Codes to your business cards, Contact Information on your website, or on your phone so people you're in direct contact with, can scan your code to get your name, address and phone number.

If you have a barcode reader on your phone (there are quite a few), you can scan the QR Code like this one to automatically download the Automatic Task Killer to your phone.

9uZPs6

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Are QR codes used in Android 1.5? I thought they were like a 2.0+ thing...
 
WRSmith2PhD said:
Bill - personally, I would like to see a new thread discussing QR codes and other apps. I'm coming from the Instinct and know little if anything about how Android really works. Something for newbies would be nice.

Thank you for everything with this forum! I GREATLY prefer the constructive info, sharing, and sense of "community" this group brings (as opposed to another site where this is not true). I have fun reading the posts, back-and-forth, personal support, etc.
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Thank you Doctor. I've been planning to start a "tips and tricks" thread aimed at newbies when we get closer to launch. When everyone has Android, it will be easier to follow along. In the meantime, if there's enough interest, we could get started on a tread like that early.

I'm happy you approve of this community and I'm pleased that you want to be a part of it.

Bill
 
S1dewinder said:
Are QR codes used in Android 1.5? I thought they were like a 2.0+ thing...
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S1dewinder, as far as I know barcode readers work in all versions of Android and they are not limited to Android. The iPhone has a barcode reader and so do many other camera phones that don't have Android.

I've seen QR Codes on business cards, brochures, fliers, posters, tickets, t-shirts and I have one on my business website on the contact page.

QR Codes are fun, but your phone won't be limited to those. Almost all packaging (if not all) has a barcode on it. You can scan that code with your phone, then you can choose to be directed to to a website with more information on the product or to a summary which gives the names of stores and their prices for that item. Really cool. :cool:
 
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