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Froyo

wndrshwzn said:
the evo comes with an fm radio and flash already. is that due to htc sense?
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No sense is nothing but a GUI the radio works because the phone comes with a radio app and the flash comes from Adobe if Abobe delays flash the Evo will lack flash. But no worries Flash is on schedule for Android so I'd say at the worst it would come out as an update shortly after release at best the phone will be pre-bundled with it.
 
Hopefully Froyo is put on the Evo before it ships. I mean they said summer which gives them plenty of time to get it up and running.
 
TheBlackPrince said:
Hopefully Froyo is put on the Evo before it ships. I mean they said summer which gives them plenty of time to get it up and running.
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Evo will be out before summer, they HAVE to release before the iPhone otherwise your spotlight is gone and the iPhone is set for very early summer. I expect it first or second week of June, which is not summer yet.
 
reallynotnick said:
Anyone care to explain JIT? Sounds good.
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JIT stands for Just In Time, the compiler is written in Java and basically compiles code on the fly instead of pre-compiling everything which can mean a slight speed boost if you have many services loaded but more importantly it saves battery life and frees up memory. It can also slow down the time it takes to load some apps from scratch since codes gets compiled on the fly, although I'm 99% sure it won't be used to load apps that you execute manually.

I imagine the use in this environment would be with services and not so much apps since loading apps with JIT would have an opposite effect and taken even longer to load. The main reason I think they're using this is for battery life, and to free up memory which means you'll be able to run more apps at the sametime. It would be alot easier to have JIT recognize an incoming email for instance and run the email app in the background only when needed, thus saving you lots of memory and essentially speeding up the OS.

Now e-mail was just an example there are many, many memory hogging apps like Facebook, Twitter, etc... which receive real time updates many times a day. Taking these services and loading them on-demand only when needed would essentially save you memory and speed up the time it takes to recieve them because you only load and un-load services when they are doing something rather than having a full blown service always on.

There is a similar compiler we use at work for different purposes, it's called the JIT debugger (also written in Java) which basically creates complete debug reports when an application hangs or crashes and instead of having to load it as a full fledged service in the background it automatically goes off just before the crash allowing us to see where exactly the crash took place instead of having us have to break down and examine every piece of code and module that was loaded from the point the application was originally executed all the way down to where the crash occurred.
 
this sounds nice, but they're more incremental improvements in the same vein as 2.1... it's been a while since Google has released a major update to Android
 
I would disagree billobob, JIT seems like it might do great things for the phone, and it may lead to developers making more memory-intensive apps since it would have less of an impact on performance and battery life.

The OpenGL updates may also improve the state of gaming on all Android phones, as it is a feature which it is sorely lacking in comparison to the Iphone.

Imo, these sound like features which may not necessarily have much of a short-term impact, but which will end up being quite useful and 'game-changing' in the months/years to come.

Not to mention stopping fragmentation as Covert mentioned, which is a big deal. It will make the majority of Android devices more uniform and standard, which would also lead to less confusion and possibly a higher chance of mainstream acceptance to the casual customer as well.
 
I would get this phone based on the phone hardware itself. If it's anything like my Hero, but just a beefed up version, I would more than kill for this thing.
 
LatinP said:
No sense is nothing but a GUI the radio works because the phone comes with a radio app and the flash comes from Adobe if Abobe delays flash the Evo will lack flash. But no worries Flash is on schedule for Android so I'd say at the worst it would come out as an update shortly after release at best the phone will be pre-bundled with it.
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That's not quite accurate. Adobe Flash Lite, is included with HTC's Sense UI. It's not full Flash yet, but it does a nice job on most web sites with embedded flash. Full Adobe Flash 10.1 should be available sometime after the Froyo update.
 
Scott Spillers said:
That's not quite accurate. Adobe Flash Lite, is included with HTC's Sense UI. It's not full Flash yet, but it does a nice job on most web sites with embedded flash. Full Adobe Flash 10.1 should be available sometime after the Froyo update.
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will android really get full flash? can i play bejeweled from facebook and draft my fantasy sports teams?!?!?!?!
 
Scott Spillers said:
That's not quite accurate. Adobe Flash Lite, is included with HTC's Sense UI. It's not full Flash yet, but it does a nice job on most web sites with embedded flash. Full Adobe Flash 10.1 should be available sometime after the Froyo update.
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Flash lite is loaded as a module inside the SenseUI "sandbox", if you load any applications outside sense it has zero use since it fails to support anything outside that specific environment. When I make reference to flash in my post I mean a fully featured flash 10.1 release not a module loaded by a gui which happens to be pretty useless outside sense.

For instance I know many will use the browser built into sense I happen to not like it very much at all and choose to use something else so that flash would be completely useless to me. I'm not bashing sense I just don't consider flash lite for an embedded environment as a fully featured flash release.
 
Kinda sucks... When the Droid came out, it introduced Android 2.0 and was the top of the heap. When the Nexus came out, it introduced Android 2.1 and was the top of the heap. When the Evo comes out, it will have, er, um.. have Android 2.1 and already be a version behind as soon as it comes out.

I am really hoping they partnered with HTC and put 2.2 on the thing right out the door, and just haven't told us... But they already said it's coming with 2.1, so I guess not.

Kinda sucks...
 
dcdttu said:
Kinda sucks... When the Droid came out, it introduced Android 2.0 and was the top of the heap. When the Nexus came out, it introduced Android 2.1 and was the top of the heap. When the Evo comes out, it will have, er, um.. have Android 2.1 and already be a version behind as soon as it comes out.

I am really hoping they partnered with HTC and put 2.2 on the thing right out the door, and just haven't told us... But they already said it's coming with 2.1, so I guess not.

Kinda sucks...
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2.2 will be coming out in what, late May? It would be difficult to get the BRAND new OS onto a phone that needs to be in stores in a few weeks. The QC would be horrible. It will come OTA very soon after launch.
 
How will it be left behind? 2.2 (or 2.5) has yet to hit the marketplace. As far as I know, there is no release date yet either.

Though it has been speculated that it may come to the Nexus One within a couple of months, so I suppose it's possible.

One thing that gives me hope though is that Google recently acknowledged the HTC Incredible as being a better choice for Verizon users instead of the Nexus One, which is a good thing because it may mean Google would be willing to give HTC the froyo code as soon as it is ready in order to skin it with Sense and begin testing.
 
Eguy said:
2.2 will be coming out in what, late May? It would be difficult to get the BRAND new OS onto a phone that needs to be in stores in a few weeks. The QC would be horrible. It will come OTA very soon after launch.
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Well, like I said, the Droid and the Nexus both came out right as their respective OS's were 'announced.' Don't see a difference here.

The trick is to work behind closed doors with Google and then release your product when the new OS comes out, just like Moto did with the Droid and HTC did with the Nexus.
 
I don't see how incorporating Flash is an incremental update. Going from 2.1 to 2.2 seems to entail more of the other things listed. I don't think Flash will be included in Froyo. JMO
 
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