OK I have done that (start the new thread). This update, as I said, it appeared to insist that I allowed it and when it was complete it had messed up many of my settings. Many of my contacts had gone missing and some appear to still be there but invisible as I accidentally rang one I was unable to find. OK I shall not consider attempting to reinstate the system but I do not agree that updates necesserally improve things. Windows is a particular example of this, Vista was rubbish, it is generally agreed and so much so that a Vista lap top I bought came with a get you back to XP disc, and 8 is bad news for someone used to 7 which was and is quite good. I have been using computers for a long time (CAD since the late 70s) and was pretty accomplished with DOS and I and a long term DTP friend of mine who is seriously computer literate ( has a masters degree) still use WIN 3.11 for some jobs for which it beats all the later incarnations so don't tell me about living in caves. I do not appreciate getting something set up nicely and having some so called improvement mess it all up! They really should make updates easily reversible.