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Putting to rest the myths about Task Killers/RAM Optimizers and the like

EarlyMon said:
By "do your thing" I mean go ahead and use it the way you normally would want to do. So if that's checking out some youtubes, visiting a favorite site, reading some news, a game - go ahead and do your thing. Just be you, don't worry about it being a test.

It doesn't matter what the starting percentage is so long as you know the percentage and/or start time. I just write it down if I don't feel like bothering to start at 100%. Obviously, just stay away from the low numbers so you don't run out of juice before you get results.

When you've got that noted, do your thing for a hour or so, then tap the power to go screen off for an hour or so, don't kill any tasks, don't even pay attention to them. When ready, back on, do your same or different thing for little while, then go for GSam Battery Monitor graph - other tab - and sideways like mine. :)
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I'll find a time that I can do that, but, what should I do after looking at the graphs? Also, should I completely get rid of Greenify?
 
WolfElemental said:
I'll find a time that I can do that, but, what should I do after looking at the graphs? Also, should I completely get rid of Greenify?
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I think that I've suggested that you post the graph here where we can assess it together.

If looking to pinpoint the cause of poor battery performance to see if it can be dealt with at the source, I wouldn't use Greenify at this point.

If interested, repeat the test a second time with however you want to set up Greenify - post both graphs along with the configuration of apps you've greenified.

Although, in the best case, the objective would be sort things out and use Greenify as a last resort.
 
Man I really miss the old emoji. I just tried to do my old favourite "beer" emoji and a pedestrian 'smile" appeared instead.
Now my go to emoji is :thumbsupdroid:
I really should research the new ones....
 
Ok so I been reading alot on battery saving and Hadron put me up on a few things about DU Battery Saver & I think Im ready to try out some new methods. Does anybody know if DU & Battery DR. are basically alot alike? and does anybody know anything about Amplify wich is a wake lock protecting app free version seams awfully limited though, but ya are any imput from U "pros" would as always be very appreciated
 
EarlyMon said:
My first Android, Sprint wouldn't let me leave the store without installing a task killer and it was on the Sprint support site - but no more.

They're popular because people don't get Linux and try to relate Android to Windows, iOS and BlackBerry.

I used to believe in them until I learned.

They all suck. They're all snake oil.

Sometimes an app goes South so you clear its cache - just like and for the same reason you clear cache on a browser.

If you can't find the bad one - fine - use Clean Master and clear them all if your Android doesn't include that. (But don't use Clean Master for anything else.)

Or - backup (Helium is good), factory data reset, and restore the backup.

But your caches - they'll start rebuilding - at a battery and performance cost - as soon as you start using the apps.

Those apps hogging memory, according to most all task managers?

They're not there.

They're hibernating in a cached state, doing nothing. Kill them and get the opposite of what you expect - Android will run them before you know it trying to sort out the state it was managing just fine on its own.

Task killers, battery helpers and cleaners are like drugs.

The more you use them, the more you have to use them.

While believing it's all ok.
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Also I think All-In-One Toolbox (Cleaner) is another option besides clean master what do you think?
 
So youre saying that when say DU batt saver shows a page with these apps its optimized for U or "supposedly" optimized by way off "stopping its background process, that they aren't really optimized and/or stopped? and when U say making sick do U mean stoppin apps that shouldnt be stopped, & that they really arent stopped just shown as such? is that what "Snakeoil is Earlymon"? or am I off the beatin path? and/or am I missing youre explanation completely? Thks 4 Ur feedbck in advance as always broham.
 
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Major problems are often due to the crapware installed by users who trust user ratings. DU Battery Saver - one of the worst, most evil apps in existence - Battery Doctor, CM Security - more horrible, evil abominations. Never, ever install anything by Cheetah Mobile, DU Apps or the Go Team, to name some of the worst offenders.

Users and clueless tech websites and bloggers who simply don't understand how Android operates recommend this sort of trash software endlessly. People believe it, install the junk and their devices suffer.

This stuff will literally make your phone sick. It's Bad Medicine. The phone will eat power and run a fever, fighting for its life. To help it get well, uninstall any task killers, RAM memory optimizers/boosters, battery savers/repairers, cache cleaners, antivirus, etc etc immediately!

None of that stuff is necessary. They are counterproductive, waste power, disrupt system processes and degrade performance.

In short, don't micromanage your phone. Don't install software that attempts to either. Let Android handle things as intended. It will automatically optimize operation if you let it.

Don't worry be happy. Relax and enjoy simply using your phone.
 
I second the Cheetah Mobile observation.

The single thing that has proven over and over to improve performance and battery life is a Wipe Cache Partition. This removes temporary data and doesn't touch any permanent data or settings. It can become contaminated/fragmented over time and performance and battery suffer.

I wipe cache part ion on my phones every Saturday as part of my weekly maintenance.

... Thom
 
Wow, I really had no clue Im uninstalling DU now, whats this about battery cell repairers theyre junk too? what abut du speedbooster? and running apps at startup type features aswell?

Hey my bad I'm only asking to learn all aspects I can to better and properly run my devices U knw. So srry so many questions, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought thats what the forums were for really.

Ok to better help the community here I'd like 2 say tht I've I uninstalled DU, Battery cell repair, & Antutu battery saver 2 run a test on my battery life without those apps, I'll report bck in 2 3 days with my findings.
 
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So apps will take care off they're own "starts & stops and a suppossedly "optimized"/"stopped" app is just a false positive in otherwords correct?
 
Let me clairify what I mean is when an app was or seamed to be optimezed that meant its background process/actions weee"stopped" from its ongoing in the background, U get me now?
 
So what I mean is when these apps showing as haulted within say DU's app that it isnt but just showing that it is, thats what I mean by a "false positive"
 
Thom said:
I second the Cheetah Mobile observation.

The single thing that has proven over and over to improve performance and battery life is a Wipe Cache Partition. This removes temporary data and doesn't touch any permanent data or settings. It can become contaminated/fragmented over time and performance and battery suffer.

I wipe cache part ion on my phones every Saturday as part of my weekly maintenance.

... Thom
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It's easy to agree that Cheetah Mobile sucks.

Sorry, but I have to disagree about caches. I never pay any attention to any caches. My devices never suffer from sluggish performance due to lack of cache maintenance. IMHO there is no reason to do anything to any caches on a regular basis.

Linux filesystems do not fragment. Theoretically possible, but a non-factor in actual use. With journaling filesystems, corruption is most always hardware failure, something clearing clearing caches does nothing to prevent.

Oh, there are certain times when clearing a cache file may be appropriate. If an app is struggling, then clearing that app's cache might help. Or if after a major system update the device is acting funky, clearing all caches so they can rebuild sometimes straightens it out.

Otherwise, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
 
The-Truth said:
Let me clairify what I mean is when an app was or seamed to be optimezed that meant its background process/actions weee"stopped" from its ongoing in the background, U get me now?
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Don't worry about any of that. Android is perfectly capable of automatically handling closing apps as needed, dealing with running processes and RAM management. It needs no help from 3rd party apps or user input.

Just relax and let Android do its job as intended. It will learn how you use your phone and optimize operation itself if you just let it.
 
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