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norb said:
which is why someone should get off their butt and make some money off an app.
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IF it's possible, which I doubt, someone WILL do it... but only if it's requested. Developers aren't mind-readers.

I would think you could create a system where you put the files in a folder, attach the kernel or whatever to the folder itself instead of messing with a kernel for the OS, and burn it like that. Like a seperate OS for the folder to attach to the drive.
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The kernel is the "heart" of a Linux-based OS and, amongst many things, provides hardware and file system support. Optical media are formatted differently to flash memory, so incorporating support for these in Android is not a trivial task.

These phones are computers and they should have full functionality
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They are types of computer, but they are not designed (or intended) to do the same things.
 
@norb you seem to think everyone should just jump up and do things because you think it is a good idea.
If you want help with things or have an idea for something you have to learn to be more cooperative.
I doubt you will find anyone who wants to volunteer their time to make this happen. You obviously have no idea how hard it can be, and how time consuming it is to do something like this.
It's not as simple as creating an app.
Go use a computer like everyone else.
You can't make it happen so quit assuming someone else should.
 
norb said:
which is why someone should get off their butt and make some money off an app. I would think you could create a system where you put the files in a folder, attach the kernel or whatever to the folder itself instead of messing with a kernel for the OS, and burn it like that. Like a seperate OS for the folder to attach to the drive. Even if it were the type with a seperate power supply required it would be better than nothing. These phones are computers and they should have full functionality.
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As you feel so passionate about this issue and it's not something that's readily available, I suggest you learn to code and create your own solution. If this is such a glaring absence others have failed to recognize you would be doing good by adding to the Android community.
 
Svim, if only I could. If it is that hard, then google should have already done it. After seeing lolliflop on three different phones now, it is easy to see that they dont care about these devices as tools being used to get things done. They should have just stuck dvd drive support on kitkat imo. And why should I hunt down a pc like everyone else. Oh, that's right, google didnt care enough about its customers to bother so I should go dragging around a laptop or hunting down pc's just for one simple basic function. That's real nice.
 
And to slug, what if a translation software were made to translate flash language to disc burning language. Then you would not need a kernel alteration but merely an translation program to trick the os into writing a disc. Is there a consistent difference between flash and optical language?
 
norb said:
Svim, if only I could. If it is that hard, then google should have already done it. After seeing lolliflop on three different phones now, it is easy to see that they dont care about these devices as tools being used to get things done. They should have just stuck dvd drive support on kitkat imo. And why should I hunt down a pc like everyone else. Oh, that's right, google didnt care enough about its customers to bother so I should go dragging around a laptop or hunting down pc's just for one simple basic function. That's real nice.
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It's not about Google (or any manufacturer) not caring, there's just very little need/market for what you're asking. I've been a member of these forums for over 5 years and in that time, you're only the 2nd person I've seen who wants to be able to connect their device to a DVD Drive.

You seem to think Phones/tablets are designed as PC replacements, they're not. There's no way a mobile device is supposed to be able to do everything a PC/laptop can do.
 
norb said:
Svim, if only I could. If it is that hard, then google should have already done it. After seeing lolliflop on three different phones now, it is easy to see that they dont care about these devices as tools being used to get things done. They should have just stuck dvd drive support on kitkat imo. And why should I hunt down a pc like everyone else. Oh, that's right, google didnt care enough about its customers to bother so I should go dragging around a laptop or hunting down pc's just for one simple basic function. That's real nice.
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You're actually dragging around a CD/DVD burner all the time with you?

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Note the power brick and vehicle cigar lighter adapter, means you'll have to go hunting down a power outlet to use it. Because a phone certainly won't run it on its own. Google intended Android to be a mobile operating system for mobile devices, like phones and tablets, and NOT a desktop one. Phones don't supply enough power for external USB hard drives either, they also require an auxiliary power source for them, PC laptops are usually OK though.

FWIW it's worth, every CD/DVD drive or burner I've seen, is usually inside or attached to a PC, or is not that far away from one. In fact I'm looking at one now, it's inside a Macbook laptop. :)
 
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norb said:
And to slug, what if a translation software were made to translate flash language to disc burning language. Then you would not need a kernel alteration but merely an translation program to trick the os into writing a disc. Is there a consistent difference between flash and optical language?
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Yes there is actually, it's called ISO9660, which specifies file systems, the language, for optical media, like Joliet. Completely different to flash media, which is usually FAT32 or EXT for Android, same as hard drives. BTW that's just to read CDs and DVDs, to actually burn or write them is even more complicated. At the base level you have to do it in a single-session, never mind anything fancy like multi-session and packet writing, where you have to "close" the CD or DVD before it's readable in other drives.

In fact back in the days of DOS on PCs, CD drives always needed the extra MSCDEX (Microsoft CD Extensions) driver to be installed in the config.sys and autoexec.bat before they would be recognized. And if you wasn't using CDs, you didn't need it and would save RAM. But modern heavyweight desktop OSs like Windows, OS X, Ubuntu, etc, include it at the kernel system level. Android being a lightweight mobile OS, intended for phones and tablets, does not
 
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Yeah. There's really not much demand for CD burners these days. Heck some of the best selling laptops don't even have CD slots. There's really no real reason for Google to add it into the OS when the demand isn't apparent.
 
chanchan05 said:
Yeah. There's really not much demand for CD burners these days. Heck some of the best selling laptops don't even have CD slots. There's really no real reason for Google to add it into the OS when the demand isn't apparent.
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The last laptop I bought, Macbook Air, no DVD in that, no hard drive either. :) I still have to use CDs and DVDs very occasionally for lesson materials, which I rip using an eight year old white Macbook at home, which is minus its battery now and is mains power only. The original battery started to bulge and looked quite dangerous, so disposed of it.
 
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For some reason I no longer have a reply button, but in reply to post #33. No, I wouldnt drag it everywhere. But I suppose since a smart phone isnt designed to be a pc replacement, even though it could be for something like this, and even though it is vastly more powerful than what many pc's used to be, I should drag around a lap top, a dvd drive since laptops no longer have them, and the smart phone too. Yes, how much better an idea that is *smacks head agaist desk with sarcasm*. And perhaps more people would use it if it were an option. And as for finding power outlets 1) Such outlets are common now that we have this new fangled thing called 'lectricity, and 2) An external battery with a usb splitter could work.
 
norb said:
For some reason I no longer have a reply button, but in reply to post #33. No, I wouldnt drag it everywhere. But I suppose since a smart phone isnt designed to be a pc replacement, even though it could be for something like this, and even though it is vastly more powerful than what many pc's used to be, I should drag around a lap top, a dvd drive since laptops no longer have them, and the smart phone too. Yes, how much better an idea that is *smacks head agaist desk with sarcasm*. And perhaps more people would use it if it were an option. And as for finding power outlets 1) Such outlets are common now that we have this new fangled thing called 'lectricity, and 2) An external battery with a usb splitter could work.
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Actually, the reason why newer devices aren't using CDs anymore because it's the worst option among several new ways to send data. There's flash drives, NFC, WiFi Direct. Heck you can send emails now where you attach a file bigger than the capacity of a DVD via cloud storage. Why use CDs when you can use flashdrives?
 
chanchan05 said:
Actually, the reason why newer devices aren't using CDs anymore because it's the worst option among several new ways to send data. There's flash drives, NFC, WiFi Direct. Heck you can send emails now where you attach a file bigger than the capacity of a DVD via cloud storage. Why use CDs when you can use flashdrives?
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Not as if it's convenient these days, not for me. Non of the teacher's office Lenovo and Great Wall all-in-one PCs have DVD drives in them. And the only thing I've got that has a DVD is a rather vintage Macbook with OS X Snow Leopard, that now only runs on mains power, which probably won't last forever. NO recent Apple computers have DVD drives. IMO legacy media indeed. There's probably someone somewhere who still wants to use Iomega Zip disks. :D
 
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I'm psised about my Shark Drive not being supported. Worked great with my iPAQ and PCMCIA card adaptor.


But seriously. Samsung has an adapter that let you use thumb drives with the S2. So there is hope that a USB DVD player could be supported in the future. The problem would be who would write the DVD player software. If I can find that dongle I'll try it with the my DVD player and a Note 3 just to see what happens.
 
norb said:
Chanchan05 some entities only accept discs. Sometimes you must use the format demanded.
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Is that law enforcement or something? Do you work for the feds? Because in theory data on a CD-R, once written, can't be altered or tampered with.

There's some entities that demand you send faxes to them, for whatever legal reasons. Email is not suitable.

Well if you have to go digging around to find a CD burner, it will usually have a PC attached to it. That's what I've found anyway.
 
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And I wouldnt have to do that if the android makers actually cared about their customers.
 
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