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test one: rebooted. turned screen off. sleep/wake timer goes into "sleep" count after 5 minutes. (turned on after 34 minutes, shows 29 minutes "sleep time).
 
nightfishing said:
test one: rebooted. turned screen off. sleep/wake timer goes into "sleep" count after 5 minutes. (turned on after 34 minutes, shows 29 minutes "sleep time).
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You'll still get notifications for the whole 34 minutes though.

I've left my phone alone for hours and had it beep on a notification.
 
is there an app that will put the phone instantly into 'deep sleep'? Waiting 30 minutes for it to happen wastes battery, especially when I check stuff on my phone for one minute every 30.
 
sunthas said:
You'll still get notifications for the whole 34 minutes though.

I've left my phone alone for hours and had it beep on a notification.
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do you have the data always on enabled?

At some point I stop getting notifications for PUSHed mail with that setting turned off and the screen off.

test two:

after 10 minutes with the screen off, counter reads 10 minutes of sleep time, but notification for pushed email comes thru fine. Next test is 21 minutes. (lets see if the peeps will cooperate and not send me any email for 21 minutes, it is SUNDAY, after all.)
 
Really, why need a sleep application when (1) the power button turns off the screen and may initiate sleep, and (2) the phone will sleep automatically depending on your screen off timer setting?

It seems to be a waste of resources to add an app that already has a dedicated button, and it automatically activates. If wearing down the button were a fear, just don't touch the phone with your fingers to let it sleep on its own.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have this app, but it seems woefully redundant to have one taking up home screen real estate and memory.
 
drPheta said:
I'm not saying we shouldn't have this app, but it seems woefully redundant to have one taking up home screen real estate and memory.
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For me it's just a hard to break habit. When I am holding the phone, I cannot reach the on/off button and I am "used" to operating my phone single handed.

If the power button was on the face of the phone, I would be fine.

a shortcut/widget would just be more comfortable for me.
 
test 3: no notification for PUSH email (after 21 minutes). Sleep mode activated somewhere between 10 and 21 minutes

next test will be 21 minutes with "mobile data always on" enabled. final test will be with phone plugged in.
 
When you look at settings>Sound & Display>Screen Timeout>15 sec - 30 minutes.

This probably is what it appears to be, merely turns the screen off (and locks the phone) once that timeout has been reached.

Up Time and Awake Time as listed in Settings>About Phone>Battery is not related to the Screen Timeout or whether or not the screen was off. Although I think its safe to say, the phone can't "sleep" while the screen is on.

My tests so far have matched nightfishing. Up time 44:09 Awake time 26:05. So while my screen was off for quite awhile, it took an extra 10 minutes or so before the phone actually went asleep.

Separately, I tested the alarm to see if it would power up the phone. It does not. So that is different from my BB Pearl. I'll test the BB Pearl again to make sure I'm not on crack. When I set the alarm on my BB Pearl, then turn the phone off, it says "Powering off. Next power on time: 2:45pm" same as I set the alarm time, or something similar. So thats a feature I miss from my BB Pearl.
 
sunthas said:
When I set the alarm on my BB Pearl, then turn the phone off, it says "Powering off. Next power on time: 2:45pm" same as I set the alarm time, or something similar. So thats a feature I miss from my BB Pearl.
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the bb's (at least ones I've used, never used a pearl) have the option of turning off (alarm will turn on) or full power off (phone will ignore alarms and stay off).

That verbiage was always confusing to new users.
 
nightfishing said:
the bb's (at least ones I've used, never used a pearl) have the option of turning off (alarm will turn on) or full power off (phone will ignore alarms and stay off).

That verbiage was always confusing to new users.
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Mine didn't seem to have options. Default power off while alarm is set does what I described above, perhaps I was suppose to hit another button to do something different. I could test it again, but not sure it really matters. I'll add it to the wish list for things I'd like to see on the DInc or from a DInc app.
 
The difference between the BlackBerry and Android phones is the ability to completely power of. BB's only go to a deep sleep (radios off, but other functions still on). That power button doesn't actually shut off the phone, hence the need to pull your battery (or use a BatteryPull app or similar). Android phones actually Shut Down and power off when you tell it to do so. That's why BlackBerries can still run the alarm, even though you pressed and held the power button to "turn it off"

The above, as far as I know, is how things are. However, with regards to Android's sleep characteristics I'm thinking the screen timeout let's the phone know to sleep within a certain amount of time, but I'm not sure what that time actually is. So, the power button doesn't put it to sleep, just kind of tucks it into bed. So, the phone will eventually fall asleep if you don't disturb it. However, the radios you set to stay on during sleep will stay on, and you should get notifications (emails, calls, texts). Again, this is all speculation on my part, but it seems to make sense.
 
You can still enter airplane mode and turn off the screen to create a similar situation. In this mode the Incredible should get about 3 days of battery life without use. Alarms will still sound though.
 
Okay, with phone plugged into USB on computer. Up Time and Awake Time stayed synced. So phone doesn't seem to sleep when charging.
 
test 4:with "mobile data always on" enabled, PUSH notification comes thru at 22 minutes. So far, so good.

recap:

with phone NOT plugged in:

after a period of more than 10 but less than 21 minutes, phone goes into "sleep-type" stage.

stage is not reflected one way or the other by uptime counters (any time with screen off is not counted as awake time)

with "mobile data always on" NOT enabled, I do not get PUSH email notifications until I manually wake up the phone.

with "mobile data..." enabled, PUSH notifications come thru with phone still in the "sleep-like" stage.
 
With phone plugged in:

with "mobile data always on" NOT enabled, I STILL RECEIVE PUSH email notifications after 22 minutes.

counter still show 22 minute difference in up and awake time.

End of testing (for today).

Recap:

Phone does not appear to enter this "sleep-type mode" when plugged in.

Again, sorry to the OP :)
 
nightfishing said:
recap:

with phone NOT plugged in:

after a period of more than 10 but less than 21 minutes, phone goes into "sleep-type" stage.

stage is not reflected one way or the other by uptime counters (any time with screen off is not counted as awake time)
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Wait, what? How were you figuring out when it went into its sleep-type stage if it is not reflected by uptime counters?

From what I can tell, uptime counters are not reflective of screen state.
 
So, for practical purposes, IF you do not want to miss PUSH notifications while your phone is in this "sleep-type-mode" enable the "mobile data always on" setting.

Also, whatever this "sleep-type-mode" is, it is not activated completely with the phone plugged in.

I will try to clean this up and make a singular post about it at some point.

My next test will be to try to determine what happens AFTER a notification is received (if the phone is just left alone i.e. middle of the night).
 
Perhaps you meant, Uptime Counter. which is counting when the phone was last powered on. and Awake Counter. Which is Uptime Counter minus Sleep time?
 
sunthas said:
Wait, what? How were you figuring out when it went into its sleep-type stage if it is not reflected by uptime counters?

From what I can tell, uptime counters are not reflective of screen state.
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my initial test showed that somewhere between 10 and 21 minutes the mode was activated. I then let the remaining tests go for at least 21 minutes to ensure the mode had time to go active.

In all my tests the time the screen was down was equal to the difference between up and awake times (which makes sense if no other app is interfering with the phone "sleeping").

I ended up with ~20 minutes of Awake time which is equal to all the periods of activity (screen on) in between the tests.

I found no evidence that the difference in "screen off" and "sleep-type-mode" were reflected in the Up time and Awake counters. On the screen being off made a difference.
 
Yup, you are right.

I'm powering off to reset timers, then powering back on.
Go to Settings>AboutPhone>Battery and see Awake Time and UpTime as counting in sync. Then click the power button to turn off the screen.


Screen sleep seems to match Awake time.

This test showed UpTime as 16 minutes and Awake as 3. Awake timer did not move while screen was off.
 
hmmmm. So is "sleep" mode when your mobile network turns off? hence no longer getting push notifications?
So myself, who keeps Enable Always-on Mobile Data, would keep my phone from "sleeping" as you describe it. But as far as we know, the only setting actually impacted by "sleep" mode is the ability to receive push notifications. So Sleep is really Mobile Data turning off.
 
NOTICE: all references to the term "sleep" in this post are strictly to differentiate between the up and awake counters.

For the complete run I show 148 minutes of uptime and 31 minutes of awake time.

The detailed numbers end up 116 sleep and 30 awake with roughly 2 minutes lost to rounding.

The only discrepancy came during the first test were a few minutes of awake time was recorded when the screen was off. I would speculate that this may have to do with starting the test so soon after booting. There may have been activity that delayed the sleep counter from starting
 
Right, but we know how to make the phone sleep and stop the Awake Time counter from ticking... just hit that power button on top the phone.

What do you want to call it when you stop receiving push notifications from email? Deep Sleep? Hibernation? Mobile Data Timeout?
 
Once you guys decide on all this , you should make a post specificly about it, it correct detail, that makes sence lol, im trying to follow you both but not working to well lol
 
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