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droid_head said:
I could care less about having credibility with a bunch of turds whose life revolves around a little electronic device.

I have plenty of cred in the things that count, like uh, my profession. So I could care less about having credibility in the Hemorrhoid Forums.

I'll laugh my ass off when there's a bunch of cooked Incredibles out there because they used their BB chargers on their phones.
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Clearly your profession is not in Engineering. The whole purpose of having standards like USB is so that devices and chargers are interchangeable.
 
ncsustash said:
Clearly your profession is not in Engineering. The whole purpose of having standards like USB is so that devices and chargers are interchangeable.
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Oh, so you have to be an engineer of something to know what you are talking about. Thanks for another worthless contribution to this thread. Congrats.
 
Hi Everyone! I'm glad I found this thread. I have a question for the electricity experts who are here. I bought a wall charger adapter that is for a GPS, so you can charge it in the house with the GPS car charger (my GPS can only be charged inside with USB which takes a long time). Can I use this adapter with my generic Incredible car charger or will it damage my phone? Will the car charger output the proper voltage if I use the adapter?

Here are the specs from the adapter: Heavy Duty Charger: 800 mA/12v DC; Input Voltage: AC 110c-220v; Output Voltage: 11.4v-12.6vdc under 0.8 amp load.

Here is the info from the generic car charger: contains a Dynamic IC Chip; charges a 1100 mAH extended battery for empty to full in less than 2 hrs; charges a 600 mAH extended battery for empty to full in less than 1 hr; intelligent switching circuit will recognize a full battery & automatically switches to a saver; plug never heats or overcharges battery; suitable for all Ni-Cd and Ni-Mh batteries; Short circuit protection.

Thanks for your help!!!
 
cindyp said:
Hi Everyone! I'm glad I found this thread. I have a question for the electricity experts who are here. I bought a wall charger adapter that is for a GPS, so you can charge it in the house with the GPS car charger (my GPS can only be charged inside with USB which takes a long time). Can I use this adapter with my generic Incredible car charger or will it damage my phone? Will the car charger output the proper voltage if I use the adapter?

Here are the specs from the adapter: Heavy Duty Charger: 800 mA/12v DC; Input Voltage: AC 110c-220v; Output Voltage: 11.4v-12.6vdc under 0.8 amp load.

Here is the info from the generic car charger: contains a Dynamic IC Chip; charges a 1100 mAH extended battery for empty to full in less than 2 hrs; charges a 600 mAH extended battery for empty to full in less than 1 hr; intelligent switching circuit will recognize a full battery & automatically switches to a saver; plug never heats or overcharges battery; suitable for all Ni-Cd and Ni-Mh batteries; Short circuit protection.

Thanks for your help!!!
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Use your HTC charger only. Simple and safe. And there aren't any experts in this forum. All of the experts don't have time to post here. :D
 
cindyp said:
Hi Everyone! I'm glad I found this thread. I have a question for the electricity experts who are here. I bought a wall charger adapter that is for a GPS, so you can charge it in the house with the GPS car charger (my GPS can only be charged inside with USB which takes a long time). Can I use this adapter with my generic Incredible car charger or will it damage my phone? Will the car charger output the proper voltage if I use the adapter?

Here are the specs from the adapter: Heavy Duty Charger: 800 mA/12v DC; Input Voltage: AC 110c-220v; Output Voltage: 11.4v-12.6vdc under 0.8 amp load.

Here is the info from the generic car charger: contains a Dynamic IC Chip; charges a 1100 mAH extended battery for empty to full in less than 2 hrs; charges a 600 mAH extended battery for empty to full in less than 1 hr; intelligent switching circuit will recognize a full battery & automatically switches to a saver; plug never heats or overcharges battery; suitable for all Ni-Cd and Ni-Mh batteries; Short circuit protection.

Thanks for your help!!!
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no you can't use that

Output Voltage: 11.4v-12.6vdc under
 
droid_head said:
Use your HTC charger only. Simple and safe. And there aren't any experts in this forum. All of the experts don't have time to post here. :D
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your an idiot

you had a bad charger OR a bad phone.

your an idiot


p.s. for previous 2 year old logic about your charger not blowing up your BB, different electronic devices have different tolerances. It entirely possible your BB charger is screwed up and putting out 8-10vDC, and while the BB may tolerate it the Dinc can't...

You may also be damaging your BB and don't know it :)

as others have said

ANY quality micro USB charger putting the USB spec'd voltage/amps will work fine...
 
I've used the Verizon car charger, a BlackBerry Tour charger, and all kinds of micro USB cables... Everything works fine.

Trust me, your phone doesn't know which brand the charger is.
 
iowabowtech said:
Who's life is revolving around a little electronic device? Since the above post, you've had posts at:

10:07
10:15
10:26
10:58
11:14
11:37
12:15
12:18

Get a life.
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I have worked my butt off to build a business where i can work from home and have the luxury of checking facebook, twitter, news, or whatever else i want at my leisure. So don't hate, aspire.

one thing's for sure, these forums aren't moderated.
 
droid_head said:
I understand latin. Thanks. I was kidding.
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Which would come as a complete surprise if you actually did, as you've conclusively demonstrated gross ignorance by incessantly repeating your misinformed mantra. People far more educated and experienced regarding this subject have weighed in to debunk the FUD that this thread is. Time to head back under your bridge.

If you would actually take the time to become educated about this subject rather than waste your energy posting FUD, you would quickly realize that you're out in left field.
 
najaboy said:
Which would come as a complete surprise if you actually did, as you've conclusively demonstrated gross ignorance by incessantly repeating your misinformed mantra. People far more educated and experienced regarding this subject have weighed in to debunk the FUD that this thread is. Time to head back under your bridge.

If you would actually take the time to become educated about this subject rather than waste your energy posting FUD, you would quickly realize that you're out in left field.
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You seem to have a strong urge to talk fancy. I'm confident enough in myself to talk casual. You sound like Mr. Drysdale on the Beverly Hillbillies.

And, no one has offered any proof that my BB charger didn't fry my phone. Bad phone? Really? How generic is that.

Seeing the type of people that own an Incredible really makes me want to buy an iPhone. This forum is really disappointing.
 
droid_head said:
You seem to have a strong urge to talk fancy. I'm confident enough in myself to talk casual. You sound like Mr. Drysdale on the Beverly Hillbillies.

And, no one has offered any proof that my BB charger didn't fry my phone. Bad phone? Really? How generic is that.

Seeing the type of people that own an Incredible really makes me want to buy an iPhone. This forum is really disappointing.
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There have been at least two people who have given you valid and well thought out descriptions of how USB chargers work(see below) and you refuse to even acknowledge them. That's on you, not any of us. I like a person who sticks by their guns but this stubbornness isn't going to get you anywhere.

Lupi619 said:
I am an Electronics Engineer and it really depends on the charger's output. The "Verizon tech" said this probably because that is what the computer told him to say. The computer probably said this because if the charger has too much wattage than it could fry the phone but the BB, as far as I know are actually lower.

I had a Blackberry Storm and have used that charger and the Inc stock one. The stock charger for the Inc puts out higher watts than the BB Storm charger. The BB charger is 5V and 700mA which is 3.5W (5Vx.7A) and the stock Inc is 5V and 1A (5x1) which is 5W. It depends on the numbers. They all are usually about 5V. So that little lower amperes just means the slower the charge. That's all. Too much wattage may kill but this is lower and is just going to take longer to charge. Amps are to electricity is like water pressure to water flow, in laments terms. Electronics 101.

Trust me you probably had a bad phone or battery. Also this is why there have been conficliting answers from Verizon. Most are salesman and don't know what they are talking about. People lie the numbers don't.
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jacobsjg said:
Listen, USB is fairly straightforward. There are 4 wires. Power, Ground, D+, D-.

D+ and D- are used for data, so are outside the scope of this thread because power adapters don't pay attention to them, they just worry about the power/ground ones.

Notice that the cable that comes with your incredible is a normal USB to -> micro USB cable. The USB side can plug in to ANY USB port that conforms to the USB spec and if there is no data communication, the phone will just try to charge from that port.

5V is the magic number for the phone / most USB. The power adapter brick puts out 5V, as do all PCs and all standard car adapters that end with a USB connector.

The difference that seems to be scaring people is the mA number. Like mentioned above, that is the maximum amount of juice you can suck out of the cable using that adapter. It is not how much is PUSHED out. If you plug in the adapter to the wall but not to the phone, you are NOT charging air at 5V@1000mA.

The phone itself has circuitry that helps prolong the life of the battery by trying to pull in as much power as possible during the first phase of the battery charging, then when it gets close to full it goes to a much slower charge. The brains here are in the phone, not the charger.

Think of laptops. If you are doing nothing much, the adapter brick may be warm. If you are encoding 10 videos at the same time, the adapter brick might burn off your fingers. The adapter will provide as much current as it is rated to when the device tries to take it, not all the time.

I understand you had a bad experience with that adapter/particular phone combo, but the VAST majority of the people replying to this thread have had no problems (nor do I with my cheopo amazon car charger), and everyone who understands what the adapter is actually doing seems to be on the same page.

As long as the power adapter you are using says 5V, I have a hard time believing it can hurt your battery.
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droid_head said:
You seem to have a strong urge to talk fancy. I'm confident enough in myself to talk casual. You sound like Mr. Drysdale on the Beverly Hillbillies.

And, no one has offered any proof that my BB charger didn't fry my phone. Bad phone? Really? How generic is that.

Seeing the type of people that own an Incredible really makes me want to buy an iPhone. This forum is really disappointing.
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Several people have offered proof that your BB Charger shouldn't fry your phone. Several people described using their BB Charger without problems. Your willingness to accept that is your issue.

It is very possible to have a bad phone. I currently have one (an Inc) that won't hold a charge for more than about 2 hours and have had them in the past (about 4 Motorola T720's back in the day).

I had my phone unplugged for 2 hours and it used 31% bluetooth, 32% cell standby, and 31% phone idle, just sitting on my desk. There are bad phones.
 
droid_head said:
I have worked my butt off to build a business where i can work from home and have the luxury of checking facebook, twitter, news, or whatever else i want at my leisure. So don't hate, aspire.
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Aspire? Ok.


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I don't want to fan the fire, but if you really want proof, I can take a look at the charger you think broke your phone. If you don't mind shipping it to me, I can tell you exactly what voltage is coming out of the cable, and can tell you the maximum current it can drive through a load.

I do believe that it is possible that your charger broke your phone, but that would be because the charger itself may be defective. To me that is just as likely as the phone being defective, even if it appears to work ok with your other devices.

Like others said, perhaps your crackberry can handle a higher voltage level or something.

In any case, hooking up a multimeter to check the voltage/current and to compare that to my car charger would only take me a few minutes, so PM me if you want to really find out if your charger could have done anything.

Disclaimer- Although I graduated back in 2000 with an EE degree, I mainly do software these days. I do have a bunch of electronic equipment at home so can easily test this stuff, and my current job does involve working with USB host controllers and devices, so I do have experience with USB power.
 
I cannot confirm or deny what happened to the Original posters phone, but I can tell you one day my phone was fine. I used a blackberry storm car chager with my incredible while on a road trip a week ago. I figured it wouldn't cause harm. immediately after that, the phone would refuse to charge my battery. Verizon gave me a brand new battery, and it wouldn't charge that one either. Maybe a pin got messed up. Maybe the car charger was faulty. I do know the blackberry continued to charge fine without problems.
 
ncsustash said:
Several people have offered proof that your BB Charger shouldn't fry your phone. Several people described using their BB Charger without problems. Your willingness to accept that is your issue.

It is very possible to have a bad phone. I currently have one (an Inc) that won't hold a charge for more than about 2 hours and have had them in the past (about 4 Motorola T720's back in the day).

I had my phone unplugged for 2 hours and it used 31% bluetooth, 32% cell standby, and 31% phone idle, just sitting on my desk. There are bad phones.
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"Shouldn't". If you were so sure you would have said "can't". And i'm not the one that made the mountain out of a mole hill
 
Called Verizon today because they promised to overnight me a phone. After being lied to for two calls, finally got ahold of a straight shooter at Verizon today who admitted it would be the 21st at the earliest.

I'm sure my critics here are snickering, but I'm heading down to AT&T and on the 24th when the iPhone 4 comes out, i guess I'll have the last laugh. The funny part is listening to the Verizon reps trying to keep me as a customer. Coverage means nothing without good phones.
 
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