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The Apple Fanboy Ceiling
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And what's wrong with that statement?
You say "We want..." who's 'we', please don't assume you talk for me, and I doubt you talk for everybody but me either.
Are you saying that the above statement is wrong, and that in your opinion the iPhone is not a great product (or at least as great as an Android handset) for people who prefer it? or that it's not a great product if you understand computing technology?
If that is what you claim, I'd love to hear you justify that sort of reasoning!
No, I've never said any such thing.
Nope, never said that either.
No, I never said that either.
Err, how exactly is it my problem that two company's pieces of software don't work seamlessly together?
That's a lie, I never listed it as a flaw in the software, I said it was function of iOS/iPhone that I preferred.
I can understand that it's in your interest to not have me point out your lies and errors IOWA, but don't flatter yourself that I've any intention of taking instruction from you as to which of your lies I may or may not counter with truth.
I already answered the 1st time you asked, the 2nd time you asked was when you went back and edited your post after I'd already read and responded to it, so again you're making an implication that I've avoided the issue when I haven't. And to say a non-response is admission of any kind is frankly ridiculous, but I expect nothing less from you IOWA.
You're wrong, but maybe none that I was happy with.
The false implication being that I have at some point; another deliberate attempt at trying to make mud stick just by throwing it, or just further lack of comprehension IOWA?
You're assuming that the product loses something from being limited, just because the user may understand it's limitations, even though, while fully understand the limitations they accept them and still prefer the product.
The Rolls-Royce Ghost might be limited to 155mph, but many drivers who have an understand of high speed driving still consider it a great product: would you say it is not a great product because of it's limitations? that it doesn't meet the needs and wants of those that may choose it over a Bentley Continental, would you say that the lack of limitation on the Bentley makes it a greater product for those same consumers?
Surely the greatness of a product is down to how it meets the needs and expectations of the consumer?
I personally love my iPod touch, and love Android phones, and love macs, and PCs, I love technology. I for one refuse to make a statement about which is better though. For someone who is tech-savvy an Android is the obvious choice, because you have a ton of freedom you can't have on an iPhone, someone who just wants basic smartphone stuff, email, sms, mms, web browsing, etc, I would say get an iPhone, because it's just easier to use, not better, just easier, plus you can't unknowingly go and break it internally. So for the geeks out there, Android, for the simple users, iPhone.
And about the design thing on macs, I like design on macs because of the super-high res screens that they have. I currently use a PC for my design though. I love it, it comes out just fine.
And to the OP, yes, Apple fanboys are annoying. I am almost one, if I didn't watch every other conference out there I guess I would be one, I am a tech fanboy overall. I love any technology, especially new technology.
And about the design thing on macs, I like design on macs because of the super-high res screens that they have. I currently use a PC for my design though. I love it, it comes out just fine.
And to the OP, yes, Apple fanboys are annoying. I am almost one, if I didn't watch every other conference out there I guess I would be one, I am a tech fanboy overall. I love any technology, especially new technology.
mjschmidt
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Hi, mjschmidt here (the OP).
Just want to clarify, or at least remind everyone that, as much as I enjoy hearing people debate the merits of both phones, my original post was not about how one phone is better than the other, but it seems this thread has been hijacked to go in that direction anyway.
There are merits to both phones, but I prefer Android.
My original post is not about the iPhone, but about iPhone fanboys. It is my thesis statement that mindless fanboyism (new word!) is detrimental to the advancement of Android, not necessarily because iPhone is better than Android (which is not the argument) but because the marketing/PR/brainwashing that surrounds the iPhone causes people to reject even the notion of trying Android.
My anecdote was about 1. an iPhone fanboy spewing the usual marketing drivel as a justification for refusing to even look at Android; and 2. A bystander with NO phone saying that he should get an iPhone "because it easier to use", this being an example of how the Fanboyism is affecting the proper decision-making tree for consideration of one over the other.
If a potential consumer looks at the list of factual features and differences between the phones, and chooses the iPhone because of the facts then there is nothing wrong with it. In the end, these phones do so much the same that the real differences between them make the choice one of personal preference.
If a potential customer chooses an iPhone because they've bought into the Marketing slogans, such that they believe things that aren't necessarily true and without being even willing to consider the alternatives (and the factual comparison between them) then that is what causes me the most aggravation.
I am not debating the differences between iPhone and Android, I am arguing that it is counterproductive (and illogical) to choose any gadget because of "hype" then because of a full examination of the actual features in a comparative manner.
EDIT: @MPW - You can sync your iTunes with Android using DoubleTwist: http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/multimedia/doubletwist-player_eqhx.html
Just want to clarify, or at least remind everyone that, as much as I enjoy hearing people debate the merits of both phones, my original post was not about how one phone is better than the other, but it seems this thread has been hijacked to go in that direction anyway.
There are merits to both phones, but I prefer Android.
My original post is not about the iPhone, but about iPhone fanboys. It is my thesis statement that mindless fanboyism (new word!) is detrimental to the advancement of Android, not necessarily because iPhone is better than Android (which is not the argument) but because the marketing/PR/brainwashing that surrounds the iPhone causes people to reject even the notion of trying Android.
My anecdote was about 1. an iPhone fanboy spewing the usual marketing drivel as a justification for refusing to even look at Android; and 2. A bystander with NO phone saying that he should get an iPhone "because it easier to use", this being an example of how the Fanboyism is affecting the proper decision-making tree for consideration of one over the other.
If a potential consumer looks at the list of factual features and differences between the phones, and chooses the iPhone because of the facts then there is nothing wrong with it. In the end, these phones do so much the same that the real differences between them make the choice one of personal preference.
If a potential customer chooses an iPhone because they've bought into the Marketing slogans, such that they believe things that aren't necessarily true and without being even willing to consider the alternatives (and the factual comparison between them) then that is what causes me the most aggravation.
I am not debating the differences between iPhone and Android, I am arguing that it is counterproductive (and illogical) to choose any gadget because of "hype" then because of a full examination of the actual features in a comparative manner.
EDIT: @MPW - You can sync your iTunes with Android using DoubleTwist: http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/multimedia/doubletwist-player_eqhx.html
iFan Boys do not know anything about technology, When asked a question they pull "facts" out of their @$$. I asked a friend of mine (iFan Boy) what the processor speed was gonna be on the new iPhone 4 he said: "I belive it's going to be a 3.4ghz processor or a 3ghz" what an idiot!!!
Astridax93
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Right mpw and IOWA, please stop arguing about what each of you did or did not say, as the case maybe.
Everybody has differences of opinion, please learn to respect other people's opinion. While I have my own opinion about Apple, I still listen and take on board my friends' comments about Apple.
In defence of IOWA, mpw did mention about missing features in android, but you never detailed them specifically. If you mention them, maybe the android community will be able to suggest software that may exist to solve those problems. A solution may already exist, that you are not aware of, but the community can not help If you do not say which features are missing.
Everybody has differences of opinion, please learn to respect other people's opinion. While I have my own opinion about Apple, I still listen and take on board my friends' comments about Apple.
In defence of IOWA, mpw did mention about missing features in android, but you never detailed them specifically. If you mention them, maybe the android community will be able to suggest software that may exist to solve those problems. A solution may already exist, that you are not aware of, but the community can not help If you do not say which features are missing.
I'm happy to accept, as I've already said, a difference of opinion, but I'm not going to let somebody tell lies about what I've said.
I've already mentioned syncing easily with iTunes, and I've already said that I'm aware there are workarounds to achieve this, but you can't claim these workarounds/third party apps etc. are better than Apple's own solution; can you?
Another feature I really wanted to enjoy on my Android was the fact that the OS would be constantly kept up to date.....
Also BBC iPlayer, which I was lead to believe would be supported, isn't. meaning the media syncing support with iTunes is even more important, for me.
I'm aware that Android could possible have answers out there for some, if not all of the issues I have; but it's a phone, and I'm a consumer, I just want it to work. I know I could get it to work, just like I could work on my car, but I choose to have a mechanic work on my car, because I have better things to be doing with my time. I want a product that just works as I expect it to, everytime, while I can get on with more important things, I don't want to become a geek or programmer as a hobby.
Android's great for many people, some who are happy with what it gives them, some who actually want to play with their phones for the sake of doing so, for them it's their hobby, for me it's a tool or appliance.
Also I never said features were missing, I said there were features that, for me, in my opinion, iOS does better; and I know you'll respect my opinion on this.
grainysand
Android Expert
Sounds like the type of users who give IT support guys a nightmare. "I just want it to work!" is pretty much the Apple fan's battle-cry (no, kids, it doesn't "just work"--nothing does; yes Virginia, even Macs are subject to malware) coupled with "I'm too rich/important/amazing to spend my time with this... this geekery" condescension.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Yes, I believe android does it better. You have tons of different options to choose from, most of them simple & easy.
So if your this unhappy with android, and can't afford an iphone, whynot just get a blackberry & ipod touch? Seems like that would make you happier than trolling around android message boards and causing intentional conflict, don't ya think?
Once once again, please feel free to point out any lies I've told. If someone lie's about someone lieing, what does that make them? and it seems other people in this thread are getting what I'm saying, seems like they agree when you said/or implied the various nonsense you've posted in this thread. So maybe you need to word yourself a bit more concisely.
*if your unhappy with something, why use it? There are more to smartphones than android vs iOs*
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Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.
Oh and just to be more concise, what OTHER features are you feeling iOs does better other than media sync.
No offense, but if that's your biggest gripe, that's very petty.
And that's great for you, I'm happy for you, as I've always said.
You really ask some dumb, unthought through questions IOWA; IF I could afford a new iP4 I probably would go for it, but they're ~
3devious
Android Expert
What I don't understand is that people say "I have better things to do and I don't have time to become a geek. I only use your ghetto technology because it is cheaper."
That begs the question of "Why don't you put the energy you spend poo-pooing our ghetto-tech and use it toward affording the device that is so much better?"
Tons of people buy the iPhone. Some of them don't even feel the need to champion Steve Jobs' cause on the internet. They just suck it up and pay. If you want an iPhone, buy an iPhone. You can try to shoehorn your android device into acting like an iPhone if you want. You could also try earning money instead of trying to turn lead into gold, then you can get your iPhone.
My Droid will never be an iPhone no matter how much better you say it would be if it were. You're wasting everyone's time (especially yours that you keep claiming is so important.) The point is: You may say that the iPhone is better, but it isn't even worth the difference in price over your android device. It can't really be all that.
That begs the question of "Why don't you put the energy you spend poo-pooing our ghetto-tech and use it toward affording the device that is so much better?"
Tons of people buy the iPhone. Some of them don't even feel the need to champion Steve Jobs' cause on the internet. They just suck it up and pay. If you want an iPhone, buy an iPhone. You can try to shoehorn your android device into acting like an iPhone if you want. You could also try earning money instead of trying to turn lead into gold, then you can get your iPhone.
My Droid will never be an iPhone no matter how much better you say it would be if it were. You're wasting everyone's time (especially yours that you keep claiming is so important.) The point is: You may say that the iPhone is better, but it isn't even worth the difference in price over your android device. It can't really be all that.
Chroma
Android Enthusiast
I'll contribute a bit. I'm a mechanical engineer and the guy who sits behind me had an android phone for a while, then after talking to him I replaced my iPhone 3GS with the ATT Nexus 1 version about a week after it was available.
2 weeks ago we hired someone with a moto droid, and at the same time another guy upgraded to a samsung android phone.
My manager just bought a Evo this week to replace his Palm Pixi that just broke.
The thing is we all sit close together and nobody has changed their notification chime which has produced much lulz recently, so I just loaded up a custom chime last night.
2 weeks ago we hired someone with a moto droid, and at the same time another guy upgraded to a samsung android phone.
My manager just bought a Evo this week to replace his Palm Pixi that just broke.
The thing is we all sit close together and nobody has changed their notification chime which has produced much lulz recently, so I just loaded up a custom chime last night.
3devious
Android Expert
The thing is we all sit close together and nobody has changed their notification chime which has produced much lulz recently, so I just loaded up a custom chime last night.
LOL, it would be even funnier if you all swapped ringtones but still kept them different from each other.
You're probably right, the poor like me shouldn't try to join your elitist club.
I shall make do with my Hero for now, and I shall save for it's replacement, and that will probably be either a Nokia, or an iPhone or who knows what will be on the market at that time; but it won't be an Android probably, as I have had it with HTC's crap customer support, had it with the poor media performance I experience (without having to work to Android's preference over my own; how ironic
) and no small part of my decision to dump this OS, is because of the kind of people who use Android, and feel the need to attack anybody who doesn't, it doesn't make for a pleasant experience.Are you stupid? how exactly does a cheap iPhone on ebay today make any difference to the prices I was paying a year ago?!
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Thanks for showing everyone your true colors.
And did you ever think of selling your hero and using the gained money to purchase the iphone? Right noe on ebay there's a gsm hero used with bids, currently at $182/123Lbs with over 4 days left, so the price still go up. seems reasonable to me. If you can't afford the extra 100/150 to make yourself happy, then you should rearrange your priorities, get a dumbphone with a cheaper plan, or find a way to earn more money.
Straw man house is falling down, falling down, falling down.... straw ma.....
Lol@elitist club...
Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.
ari-free
Android Expert
It's actually plausible given how many people complain about the itunes software.
Next we'll take a look at our friends in Redmond. Part of the appeal of going with Microsoft is that they make Office for PC's so maybe it would be first class for WinMo? Nope. Docs2go and other apps such as softmaker provided more functionality and better compatibility with Office than Microsoft.
Give competition a chance and it will come up with better solutions.
krouget
Android Enthusiast
Nowadays if anyone is interested or questions my Droid relative to the iPhone, I tell them both are indeed excellent phones, and they should try each out themselves-- or in the case of Android, try the various hardware options, too. My personal decisions shouldn't trump the feel and sensation they get from actual experience.
I also explain that Android phones and the iPhone, while different, are also very comparable devices, and readily let them tool around with my device, answer questions, and reinforce how the competition between the two has produced great innovations and huge leaps in both OS's. I usually finish up by saying neither OS would be where it is today, without the other, so try both and go with what works.
Android is only going to grow, so I feel nothing is lost with this approach, as it only comes off as defensive if I start trashing a device which is an obvious mainstream success (Apple does deserve its success, IMO). So long as Google is chasing Apple, I'm benefiting as the consumer (Froyo taste great, looking forward to Gingerbread, thanks), and the better product will outdo the other in due time.
I also explain that Android phones and the iPhone, while different, are also very comparable devices, and readily let them tool around with my device, answer questions, and reinforce how the competition between the two has produced great innovations and huge leaps in both OS's. I usually finish up by saying neither OS would be where it is today, without the other, so try both and go with what works.
Android is only going to grow, so I feel nothing is lost with this approach, as it only comes off as defensive if I start trashing a device which is an obvious mainstream success (Apple does deserve its success, IMO). So long as Google is chasing Apple, I'm benefiting as the consumer (Froyo taste great, looking forward to Gingerbread, thanks), and the better product will outdo the other in due time.
3devious
Android Expert
Hurray for bad forum drivel logic! I bow to the master. Way to drop the Fbomb all over the place like a child. People who dare to question the value of an Apple product are the obnoxious ones... OK.
-You are a consumer and "just want it to work."
That's a fair request though expressed with a slightly disturbing air of entitlement but there's a price.
-you have better things to do than mess with your phone.
There's that entitlement creeping in again. Not wanting to be a "geek" and using a product where you "don't have to be one because it just works" is bound to make people think you are technically inept. What do you care? We're just a bunch of geeks anyway,
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