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lekky
Lover
The issues are not valid. I am all for highlighting issues, thats the way we consumers can push forward tech. However posting nonsense is not the way to do that.
And yes, iTunes is a terrible piece of software (Like I said I own an iPod classic 160GB and an iPod nano, So I don't refuse to use good Apple products), and I will not use it because its terrible.
Hey look Im not an iPhone fan boy. I have a Droid and I love it. I just am realistic and know that they're somethings that Google can do better for its brand. They are rediculously fragmented and I think they could've made better decisions.im a noob here and i dont know much about android and its Os very much but i do like to pay attention to whats going on around me. im a bit of a conspiracy theorist, so heres what i am thinking.
1. google is a large and very influential player in the software bizz. they have their hand in all kinds of stuff and make money in ways most of us cant even understand or pretend to know about. so their plan to release it to Tmoble was very calculated and part of their plan. hint. "test market"
2. wimax and LTE is on the horizon, 4G speeds. this is also great for the consumer, faster, better, all good stuff.
3. google decides to sell hardware at retail prices on the online store eliminating contracts all together.. also a very calculated move on their part.
4. android is open source. allowing for many great things, especially FREE apps. letting the android community and customer base to throw ideas back and forth and creat new apps for the android OS. also very calculated move on googles part. they dont have to do it for us and try to understand what we want. they let us do it for ourselves because we know what we want. excellent stratagy if you ask me.
5. google voice aka"voip". by invitation only, you dont use your minutes but you use google voip to make calls. excellent idea. unlimited data only plans are going to explode in staggering numbers.
so if you take 1+2+3+4+5= google is planning way ahead. for when you no longer have to pay for minutes and are not tied to any contracts. you buy the phone outright and go with who ever you want. as a data only plan user, google voice will be available and with unlimited data, you get unlimited voip, text pics flix and web. plus on wimax and LTE. or whatever 4g service provider you want. cant go wrong with that. how many google phones will be sold then. looks like google has been making calculated planned moves since the release of the G1. i wonder how long before apple realizes this and try to play catchup. everyone seems to think the nexus 1 is just another android phone. its not. nexus is just the tip of a very very very large iceberg, and i want to be on the iceberg when it hits.
you can keep your iphone.
just my theory. nothing more.
Jayziac
Well-Known Member
Competition is good, sitting back and letting your partners do their thing when you see a better path is not a good idea, even for Google. Nexus one may not be as big of a splash as Google intended, but it's raising the bar in terms of Android HW (snapdragon CPU), unlocked phones directly to consumer in U.S. It was very little effort on their part actually, since the G1, and Ion (Magic) were about the same, just now they're selling directly to consumers instead of just developers. Add some PR to the campaign and we have what we have now. It was a good ROI move for Google, a bit overhyped by the media because of high expectations.
It would take too long to reply to all that. Most of those look like its reaching badly. Some misinformation and ignorance thrown in.
The only problem I have is T-mobile is edge area where i'm at. but I'm outside of Bakersfield CA. For the people in Bako they have great 3g speeds and no dropped calls. For them its a great value. Smart phone plans are too expensive on verizon/att. Look at the price points.
http://www.billshrink.com/blog/wp-content/themes/shrinkage/images/graphics/nexus-one-total-cost.jpg
So for $1,350 less over a 2 year period you get a better phone. smaller, faster, lighter, better camera, screen, etc, etc. And lets not pretend att is some great network either. If you think a blinking light, and no itunes is one of the reasons to not get this phone I'm not sure what to tell you other than you're reaching so badly its ridiculous.
Iphone killer? Everyone says no, but it looks like it kicks the ever loving crap outta the iphone in every way except apps. And my opinion on that is most of the relevant apps are already on android people just dont know it cause they didn't pay for it.
If coverage is spotty in your house take some of that $1,300 you saved and buy a $100 repeater for your attic and never get a dropped call in your house again. Thats what im thinking of doing cause im between two tmobile towers and it bounces back and forth between them.
This is by far the best value. You can complain of blinking lights and no coverage in areas like mine but for the rest of the people in good coverage area this deal kicks the snot outta the iphone and its att plan. I can only get edge and am still thinking its a pretty good deal.
The only problem I have is T-mobile is edge area where i'm at. but I'm outside of Bakersfield CA. For the people in Bako they have great 3g speeds and no dropped calls. For them its a great value. Smart phone plans are too expensive on verizon/att. Look at the price points.
http://www.billshrink.com/blog/wp-content/themes/shrinkage/images/graphics/nexus-one-total-cost.jpg
So for $1,350 less over a 2 year period you get a better phone. smaller, faster, lighter, better camera, screen, etc, etc. And lets not pretend att is some great network either. If you think a blinking light, and no itunes is one of the reasons to not get this phone I'm not sure what to tell you other than you're reaching so badly its ridiculous.
Iphone killer? Everyone says no, but it looks like it kicks the ever loving crap outta the iphone in every way except apps. And my opinion on that is most of the relevant apps are already on android people just dont know it cause they didn't pay for it.
If coverage is spotty in your house take some of that $1,300 you saved and buy a $100 repeater for your attic and never get a dropped call in your house again. Thats what im thinking of doing cause im between two tmobile towers and it bounces back and forth between them.
This is by far the best value. You can complain of blinking lights and no coverage in areas like mine but for the rest of the people in good coverage area this deal kicks the snot outta the iphone and its att plan. I can only get edge and am still thinking its a pretty good deal.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Its funny how as soon as something goes into production people DEMAND it. Like the whole snapdragon thing, I'm willing to bet 90 percent of you throwing the term around dont even know what it does, or why its better than say the arm11. You just know its new and see other people saying it so automatically you want it. Im just saying....
software is the key. hw is a commodity. its the ability to write software that takes full advantage of the hw AND gives the user a fluid experience that matters. Apple gets this. Google apparently does not. Heres hoping they get religion. Cause Apple will update the iPhone and I'm betting its as fast or faster than the nexus one.
LET ME COMMENT ABOUT POINT #3
I've been hearing this everywhere, but it's simply not as simple as everyone puts it.
as far as competition is concerned, Motorola and HTC and Sony Ericsson and any other company who chooses to still has an advantage over Google.
First of all, the Nexus one is still plain old android, whereas everyone else is making their own style and improvements over it that'll seem more attractive
second of all, the nexus one still doesn't have a keyboard, making it a less attractive choice to many others.
and point #3: sometimes it all comes down to brand loyalty
I've been hearing this everywhere, but it's simply not as simple as everyone puts it.
as far as competition is concerned, Motorola and HTC and Sony Ericsson and any other company who chooses to still has an advantage over Google.
First of all, the Nexus one is still plain old android, whereas everyone else is making their own style and improvements over it that'll seem more attractive
second of all, the nexus one still doesn't have a keyboard, making it a less attractive choice to many others.
and point #3: sometimes it all comes down to brand loyalty
Yankeexpress
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Karuk
Android Enthusiast
Yankmee makes some good points. Allow me to counter.
1. Runs multiple apps
2. No Steve Jobs involvement or micro-management
3. Faster growing so more development $$
4. FREE and Open Source
5. Does not cause INSTA-ASSHOLE disease. (Apple people THINK they are better)
6. Runs multiple apps (said it twice because it DOES matter.)
Android = Juggernaut: get on board or get run over.
1. Runs multiple apps
2. No Steve Jobs involvement or micro-management
3. Faster growing so more development $$
4. FREE and Open Source
5. Does not cause INSTA-ASSHOLE disease. (Apple people THINK they are better)
6. Runs multiple apps (said it twice because it DOES matter.)
Android = Juggernaut: get on board or get run over.
Yankeexpress
Newbie
Google support forums are awash with people looking for help for problems with their Nexus One phones -- and unable to find it.
The volume of complaints points to a problem that Google faces now that it has decided to try to push a new cell-phone-buying model in the U.S. Since most people buy subsidized phones from a mobile operator, they turn to the operator when they have problems.
But Google is selling the phone directly to end-users. That means many users are turning to it first, and the search giant doesn't have the kind of customer support that mobile-phone users are accustomed to.
Google appears to be only accepting e-mail customer queries, to which it pledges to reply in one to two days -- far too long, say most people who are complaining online.
Many people are also turning to T-Mobile and HTC, but getting little help there. T-Mobile is often referring people back to either Google or HTC for answers to questions. HTC is often referring people back to T-Mobile, according to complaints online.
One customer going by the name Roland78 said he was transferred between T-Mobile and HTC four times, spending a total of one-and-a-half hours on the phone with customer service. "T-Mobile also said Google hasn't provided them with any support documents for the phone. Welcome to direct sales Google!" he wrote.
Another using the name SouthFlGuy was also sent back and forth between HTC and T-Mobile after finding no help from Google. "I guess I was under the wrong impression but I thought Google would handle the service on the phone," he wrote.
Several people on one thread regarding poor 3G performance on the phone report being told by HTC customer service people that the Nexus One doesn't support 3G, although the phone does. Another got an e-mail response in five hours from Google suggesting that the user try restarting the phone to see if that solves the problem.
More than 425 comments are listed on a thread about service eligibility issues. Some of them are from people who say that they ought to be eligible for the subsidized price of the phone but the Google sales site says they aren't. Many others are simply complaining of a policy that requires even longtime T-Mobile customers to pay more for the phone than new customers.
Yet others on the site complain about placing an order and failing to get even an order confirmation three days later.
Google, T-Mobile and HTC did not immediately reply to requests for comment.
The volume of complaints points to a problem that Google faces now that it has decided to try to push a new cell-phone-buying model in the U.S. Since most people buy subsidized phones from a mobile operator, they turn to the operator when they have problems.
But Google is selling the phone directly to end-users. That means many users are turning to it first, and the search giant doesn't have the kind of customer support that mobile-phone users are accustomed to.
Google appears to be only accepting e-mail customer queries, to which it pledges to reply in one to two days -- far too long, say most people who are complaining online.
Many people are also turning to T-Mobile and HTC, but getting little help there. T-Mobile is often referring people back to either Google or HTC for answers to questions. HTC is often referring people back to T-Mobile, according to complaints online.
One customer going by the name Roland78 said he was transferred between T-Mobile and HTC four times, spending a total of one-and-a-half hours on the phone with customer service. "T-Mobile also said Google hasn't provided them with any support documents for the phone. Welcome to direct sales Google!" he wrote.
Another using the name SouthFlGuy was also sent back and forth between HTC and T-Mobile after finding no help from Google. "I guess I was under the wrong impression but I thought Google would handle the service on the phone," he wrote.
Several people on one thread regarding poor 3G performance on the phone report being told by HTC customer service people that the Nexus One doesn't support 3G, although the phone does. Another got an e-mail response in five hours from Google suggesting that the user try restarting the phone to see if that solves the problem.
More than 425 comments are listed on a thread about service eligibility issues. Some of them are from people who say that they ought to be eligible for the subsidized price of the phone but the Google sales site says they aren't. Many others are simply complaining of a policy that requires even longtime T-Mobile customers to pay more for the phone than new customers.
Yet others on the site complain about placing an order and failing to get even an order confirmation three days later.
Google, T-Mobile and HTC did not immediately reply to requests for comment.
Yankeexpress
Newbie
Nexus One Complaints Mount, Honeymoon is Over
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By Tony Bradley
The Nexus One "superphone" revolution appears to be experiencing some backlash. Google's Nexus One has been available for less than a week, yet customers and developers are already amassing a growing list of issues and complaints.
PEOPLE WHO READ THIS ALSO READ:
Google Nexus One Loses to iPhone In Touchscreen Accuracy Tests
The speculation leading up to the Nexus One launch event, and the hype dished out by Google during the press event suggest that this is not just another smartphone. No, it's not even just another Android smartphone. This is the first Android 2.1 smartphone, and the first Google-branded smartphone, and the first smartphone marketed directly from Google's new online storefront.
While Android has already developed an army of loyalists quick to react to anything less than glowing praise by labeling the source either as a biased Apple fanboy, or an out-of-touch Luddite, there is also a growing chorus of complaints from both users and developers suggesting that the Nexus One honeymoon might be over almost as quickly as it began.
Customer Support
For some of the customers first in line to grab a Nexus One, excitement did not take long to turn into frustration. The Google support forums have filled up with users complaining that the Nexus One 3G connectivity is flaky. Users appear to be experiencing issues ranging from never getting a 3G connection, to Nexus One devices that constantly flip between 3G and EDGE connectivity.
That isn't the real problem, though. The Nexus One is a complex device that performs a variety of functions and users are bound to encounter issues. The real problem is figuring out which entity is supposed to be responsible for answering questions and providing support.
Google touted its market-revolutionizing strategy of selling the devices directly from its own Web site rather than distributing them through a wireless provider. Of course, you could already buy mobile phones on the Web--with or without a service plan--from popular online destinations like Amazon and Best Buy, and you still have to get service from a provider. The only one currently available is T-Mobile which makes the Nexus One purchase experience a lot like buying it from T-Mobile's Web site.
If you buy a Nexus One manufactured by HTC, directly from Google's Web site, and use it with T-Mobile's wireless network--who do you call when you have a problem? Google is only accepting support requests via e-mail, and users are getting bounced between T-Mobile and HTC as neither seems equipped to answer complaints, or willing to accept responsibility for supporting the Nexus One.
Developer Support
One of the leading measures of the success of a smartphone platform is its apps. Android will not challenge the iPhone for most apps any time soon, but the open source platform is popular with developers and the Android Market has over 20,000 apps available.
Developers are disgruntled, though, by the lack of tools for the new Android 2.1 platform. Google apparently wanted to keep the new bells and whistles of Android 2.1 secret for the Nexus One launch.
Now the Nexus One is available, and Android 2.1 will soon be available as an update for existing Android-based handsets, but Google has yet to release an SDK (software developers' kit) to provide developers with the tools they need to be able to develop apps that leverage the new bells and whistles, or just to make sure the apps they have already developed are compatible with Android 2.1.
Vendor Support
Prior to the rumors and speculation about the Nexus One, the Android story revolved around the quickly growing number of Android-based devices available from an increasingly diverse collection of manufacturers.
Verizon invested heavily in generating buzz and marketing the launch of the Motorola Droid. The Droid was the first Android 2.0 device, and the Motorola hardware made the Droid a compelling platform rivaling the iPhone.
That was just over two months ago. Now, the Motorola Droid has had its thunder stolen by the HTC Nexus One. The Droid will get the Android 2.1 update soon, but its hardware is not capable of delivering all of the functionality of the latest platform.
Google's partnership with HTC, and its entry into the Android smartphone arena leaves other vendors like Motorola and Samsung at a disadvantage. If the Nexus One launch is any indication, Google and HTC may always be one step ahead of the competition, designing devices that incorporate new functionality that competitors aren't yet aware of.
I am sure Google did not anticipate that jumping into the smartphone market would be all wine and roses, but I suspect that it thought the honeymoon might last more than a week. Google's new venture gives it a lot of plates to keep spinning--working with wireless providers and hardware manufacturers, cultivating developers, and supporting customers.
Apparently, there are a few kinks to work out.
More… Facebook Twitter Digg Print
By Tony Bradley
The Nexus One "superphone" revolution appears to be experiencing some backlash. Google's Nexus One has been available for less than a week, yet customers and developers are already amassing a growing list of issues and complaints.
PEOPLE WHO READ THIS ALSO READ:
Google Nexus One Loses to iPhone In Touchscreen Accuracy Tests
The speculation leading up to the Nexus One launch event, and the hype dished out by Google during the press event suggest that this is not just another smartphone. No, it's not even just another Android smartphone. This is the first Android 2.1 smartphone, and the first Google-branded smartphone, and the first smartphone marketed directly from Google's new online storefront.
While Android has already developed an army of loyalists quick to react to anything less than glowing praise by labeling the source either as a biased Apple fanboy, or an out-of-touch Luddite, there is also a growing chorus of complaints from both users and developers suggesting that the Nexus One honeymoon might be over almost as quickly as it began.
Customer Support
For some of the customers first in line to grab a Nexus One, excitement did not take long to turn into frustration. The Google support forums have filled up with users complaining that the Nexus One 3G connectivity is flaky. Users appear to be experiencing issues ranging from never getting a 3G connection, to Nexus One devices that constantly flip between 3G and EDGE connectivity.
That isn't the real problem, though. The Nexus One is a complex device that performs a variety of functions and users are bound to encounter issues. The real problem is figuring out which entity is supposed to be responsible for answering questions and providing support.
Google touted its market-revolutionizing strategy of selling the devices directly from its own Web site rather than distributing them through a wireless provider. Of course, you could already buy mobile phones on the Web--with or without a service plan--from popular online destinations like Amazon and Best Buy, and you still have to get service from a provider. The only one currently available is T-Mobile which makes the Nexus One purchase experience a lot like buying it from T-Mobile's Web site.
If you buy a Nexus One manufactured by HTC, directly from Google's Web site, and use it with T-Mobile's wireless network--who do you call when you have a problem? Google is only accepting support requests via e-mail, and users are getting bounced between T-Mobile and HTC as neither seems equipped to answer complaints, or willing to accept responsibility for supporting the Nexus One.
Developer Support
One of the leading measures of the success of a smartphone platform is its apps. Android will not challenge the iPhone for most apps any time soon, but the open source platform is popular with developers and the Android Market has over 20,000 apps available.
Developers are disgruntled, though, by the lack of tools for the new Android 2.1 platform. Google apparently wanted to keep the new bells and whistles of Android 2.1 secret for the Nexus One launch.
Now the Nexus One is available, and Android 2.1 will soon be available as an update for existing Android-based handsets, but Google has yet to release an SDK (software developers' kit) to provide developers with the tools they need to be able to develop apps that leverage the new bells and whistles, or just to make sure the apps they have already developed are compatible with Android 2.1.
Vendor Support
Prior to the rumors and speculation about the Nexus One, the Android story revolved around the quickly growing number of Android-based devices available from an increasingly diverse collection of manufacturers.
Verizon invested heavily in generating buzz and marketing the launch of the Motorola Droid. The Droid was the first Android 2.0 device, and the Motorola hardware made the Droid a compelling platform rivaling the iPhone.
That was just over two months ago. Now, the Motorola Droid has had its thunder stolen by the HTC Nexus One. The Droid will get the Android 2.1 update soon, but its hardware is not capable of delivering all of the functionality of the latest platform.
Google's partnership with HTC, and its entry into the Android smartphone arena leaves other vendors like Motorola and Samsung at a disadvantage. If the Nexus One launch is any indication, Google and HTC may always be one step ahead of the competition, designing devices that incorporate new functionality that competitors aren't yet aware of.
I am sure Google did not anticipate that jumping into the smartphone market would be all wine and roses, but I suspect that it thought the honeymoon might last more than a week. Google's new venture gives it a lot of plates to keep spinning--working with wireless providers and hardware manufacturers, cultivating developers, and supporting customers.
Apparently, there are a few kinks to work out.
ZeppelinJ0
Lurker
Yankeexpress is one of those guys who owns an iPhone and is trying to validate himself for not having an Android phone. Honestly, just get over it, it's just a phone
Yankeexpress
Newbie
TECHNOLOGY
Apple Vs. Google
Who's going to win the great mobile-phone war?
By Farhad Manjoo
Posted Thursday, Jan. 7, 2010, at 5:07 PM ET
Over the past few months, Google's mobile operating system has roiled the tech industry. Android debuted on a host of fantastic phones, won praise from reviewers and customers, and generally got everyone in a froth over the next big tech war. It's Apple vs. Google in a fight to the death. En garde!
This week was an especially good one for Android. On Tuesday, Google launched its own Android phone, the Nexus One, that it will sell directly to customers via the Web, bypassing the wireless carriers. Not that the carriers seem to mind
Apple Vs. Google
Who's going to win the great mobile-phone war?
By Farhad Manjoo
Posted Thursday, Jan. 7, 2010, at 5:07 PM ET
Over the past few months, Google's mobile operating system has roiled the tech industry. Android debuted on a host of fantastic phones, won praise from reviewers and customers, and generally got everyone in a froth over the next big tech war. It's Apple vs. Google in a fight to the death. En garde!
This week was an especially good one for Android. On Tuesday, Google launched its own Android phone, the Nexus One, that it will sell directly to customers via the Web, bypassing the wireless carriers. Not that the carriers seem to mind
rizzla
Well-Known Member
what's your point Yankeexpress, you join the forum to slag the phone off based on other people opinion as you don't seem to have many of your own.
Android users like their widgets, notification, home customisation, sync with googlemail. The flexibility of android hasn't been tapped yet, its open to people to creating what an android phone will be. It aint perfect, but its an interesting community to be with.
When I can look at my calendar events and tube status and other active widgets on my screen at a glance without a need to go load up programs every time then maybe the iphone would be an option. Both systems have their good points and bad points, but I know enough people who can't wait to dump their iphones in the bin so it can't be all that great.
Android users like their widgets, notification, home customisation, sync with googlemail. The flexibility of android hasn't been tapped yet, its open to people to creating what an android phone will be. It aint perfect, but its an interesting community to be with.
When I can look at my calendar events and tube status and other active widgets on my screen at a glance without a need to go load up programs every time then maybe the iphone would be an option. Both systems have their good points and bad points, but I know enough people who can't wait to dump their iphones in the bin so it can't be all that great.
rizzla
Well-Known Member
justjimjpc
Premium Member
ROTFLMAO :
Maybe we can find a blog that has the misinformation of who built the Nexus ... and not trust the press release of Google and HTC... (what do they know )
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Since Apple didn't build the iPhone but was made by Foxconn ... with input from apple. not much diff from Google and HTC ..!
Maybe we can find a blog that has the misinformation of who built the Nexus ... and not trust the press release of Google and HTC... (what do they know )
... Since Apple didn't build the iPhone but was made by Foxconn ... with input from apple. not much diff from Google and HTC ..!
"and the answer is, the #1 whine by N1 fanbois to complaints", question what is Iphone bias Alex.
I guess everyone who runs a tech blog has a secret hard on for the Iphone. Geez at least come up with something original.
As for the article, 1+2 are dumb complaints.
Seriously, a google phone is good if you like google's set up. Well Duh! Here I thought I'd get an Iphone because I love the Blackberry OS so much.
Yes it has a trackball, big whoop. My guess it helps when correcting text and what not. Being that its not that intrusive, who cares?
#3, Google will allow other makers to use the same marketing setup. Whether that harms the relationship or not remains to be seen.
#4, I thought that was the point of an open developed system. Everyone can make changes to it. So why is that bad?
#5 is legit, but less so then the horrible pricing structure. Can't be a game changer on the worst US national network.
See, thats how you respond to criticism.
QrafTee
Android Expert
From third-person spectating experience, I can tell you those who have been shackled for a good part of their lives are afraid of this whole "freedom" thing you've been spouting. I mean why do you think people pay to play on Xbox LIVE which is an on par service for $50 a year when there are alternatives out there like PSN or Steam.