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TxGoat
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One of my favorite letters on the topic.....I'm sure glad this woman is from Arkansas...
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But we do go back one hour next weekend.
Are we clear also that we actually lose daylight hours in the northern hemisphere due to orbital mechanics?
No disrespect, but I can't tell from your post if you're clear on this.
Plus - we are on Daylight Savings now. When we set the clocks back this coming weekend, we are returning to standard time - same as it ever was, since railroad times.
Namrak
Android Expert
Who is to say what the standard is?
What if red is actually black, and black is actually green, and and.....just kidding folks
I don't, Daylight Savings Time or Summer Time doesn't happen here. Never really saw the point of it anyway, seems stupid to put clocks forwards and backwards an hour twice a year. The whole country is on CST, no changes, no messing.
I think in the UK, we where supposed to gain an hour of daylight in the morning, while sacrificing it in the evening or something like that, or was it the other way round, but why? Something that was introduced to keep 18th and 19th century farmers happy but was never repealed, before the days of electric lights?
I think in the UK, we where supposed to gain an hour of daylight in the morning, while sacrificing it in the evening or something like that, or was it the other way round, but why? Something that was introduced to keep 18th and 19th century farmers happy but was never repealed, before the days of electric lights?
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TxGoat
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lol, I think you guys are looking at it from different perspectives. We lose some daylight when the earth's northern hemisphere is tilted away from the sun (fall/winter months). Sunrise and sunset take place at different times even if the clocks remained the same.
A good example is if you take your children to school in the fall, you've noticed that sunrise doesn't come early and sometimes your children are going to school while it's still dark out.
What Tommy wants, as far as I can tell, is for us to move the clocks so that we have more perceived afternoon sunlight. Which initially I like that idea, but I hate waking up and getting ready for work while it's still dark outside.
Another image that I like regarding the time change...
OK, the problem with winter is that the sun doesn't actually rise later and set earlier in a linear fashion.
The window of daylight decreases but morning and evening end points shift as you approach mid winter.
And we do set the clocks back now.
So, I don't think that this is really a perception thing. But I could be wrong.
The window of daylight decreases but morning and evening end points shift as you approach mid winter.
And we do set the clocks back now.
So, I don't think that this is really a perception thing. But I could be wrong.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
if we stayed on standard time year round, the winter months would still have less daylight than summer months. This has been explained already due to the 23-degree tilt of the Earth's axis of rotation. Depending on where the Earth is in its circular orbit around the sun, the hemisphere's get disproportionate amounts of light. And more importantly, the light angle that hits the Earth is very different, which accounts for the seasons.
In the northern hemisphere, the longest period of daylight occurs on the summer solstice, which is typically June 20 or 21. The shortest period of daylight is therefore the winter solstice, around December 21 or 22.
And in case you didn't know or figure it out, when it's summer in the northern hemisphere, it's winter in the southern hemisphere, and vice versa.
When we fall back to Standard time in a few days, we are NOT LOSING an hour of daylight no matter how you look at it. There's a finite amount of daylight for any given location on the Earth, and we as humans cannot change that by arbitrarily changing how we track time. Which is why that newspaper clipping posted above is so funny. What a moron that author was.
And even if you're not being so literal with the "loss" of daylight, you have to remember that we're going back to STANDARD time. It's the standard. You can't lose something from the standard. What you're really doing is giving back the hour you gained when you went on the non-standard Daylight Saving Time.
On to acronyms. I see this abused SO much. I live in the Eastern Time Zone in the USA, so bear with me as my examples are all based on Eastern Time. I see people use EST to designate Eastern time, regardless of whether we're in Daylight Saving or not. In the summer months, the correct time zone designation is EDT (Eastern Daylight Time), not EST (Eastern Standard Time). Somewhere in the world, someone may be observing standard time in the Eastern Time Zone, but unless you're referring to those locations, using EST during Daylight Saving is completely wrong. If you're unsure, the more ambiguous ET designation is always correct.
Also, it's Daylight Saving Time, not Daylight Savings Time.
I personally prefer seeing more daylight during my waking hours, so I always dread the coming of winter and darker days (regardless of our DST policies). And despite "losing" an hour of sleep during the Spring, I love the sudden gain in daylight overnight.
To me, DST is not a big deal. I have no strong opinions about it. I have stronger opinions about the US not adopting the metric system, but that's for another thread
In the northern hemisphere, the longest period of daylight occurs on the summer solstice, which is typically June 20 or 21. The shortest period of daylight is therefore the winter solstice, around December 21 or 22.
And in case you didn't know or figure it out, when it's summer in the northern hemisphere, it's winter in the southern hemisphere, and vice versa.
When we fall back to Standard time in a few days, we are NOT LOSING an hour of daylight no matter how you look at it. There's a finite amount of daylight for any given location on the Earth, and we as humans cannot change that by arbitrarily changing how we track time. Which is why that newspaper clipping posted above is so funny. What a moron that author was.
And even if you're not being so literal with the "loss" of daylight, you have to remember that we're going back to STANDARD time. It's the standard. You can't lose something from the standard. What you're really doing is giving back the hour you gained when you went on the non-standard Daylight Saving Time.
On to acronyms. I see this abused SO much. I live in the Eastern Time Zone in the USA, so bear with me as my examples are all based on Eastern Time. I see people use EST to designate Eastern time, regardless of whether we're in Daylight Saving or not. In the summer months, the correct time zone designation is EDT (Eastern Daylight Time), not EST (Eastern Standard Time). Somewhere in the world, someone may be observing standard time in the Eastern Time Zone, but unless you're referring to those locations, using EST during Daylight Saving is completely wrong. If you're unsure, the more ambiguous ET designation is always correct.
Also, it's Daylight Saving Time, not Daylight Savings Time.
I personally prefer seeing more daylight during my waking hours, so I always dread the coming of winter and darker days (regardless of our DST policies). And despite "losing" an hour of sleep during the Spring, I love the sudden gain in daylight overnight.
To me, DST is not a big deal. I have no strong opinions about it. I have stronger opinions about the US not adopting the metric system, but that's for another thread
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TxGoat
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lol, it's semantics!
All I know is as much as I hate losing the extra "daylight" during the day I bet I'd really hate it near the north and south poles. I can't imagine maintaining a sleeping pattern where daylight and darkness are continuous through multiple days. That movie Insomnia with Al Pachino really emphasizes that phenomenon and really had me all loopy, granted I just got off working nights for 6 years when I saw it.
If it helps, I'm not identifying the loss of "daylight" as an actual hour, I'm referring to that loss of an hour as our "falling back" (6:30 PM will be a little sunny today and tomorrow, but 6:30 PM on Sunday will be a little darker when we "fall back" an hour). I know the amount of time we're exposed to the sun is shorter during the winter months because of the tilt in the earth's axis and our revolving around the sun. The fact that we have less daylight (our hemisphere is tilted away from the sun so we get less exposure to it) and we move the clocks back thus "shortening" our afternoon sun is what I don't like, granted if we kept it the same, I wake up at 7:00am and it's dark out, which I don't care for either.
In order to make everything "convenient" we should just blast the sun, and create our own little timing/daylight mechanism like a sun lamp that we just plug in when we need to be "awake' /sarcasm
Rico ANDROID
Android Expert
...Insomnia!...what about FIGHT CLUB where he NEVER sleeps AND split into two personalities simultaneously functioning int two time zones occassionally
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
We have bigger issues!!! The sun's gravity is slowing down our rotation. Some day, the Earth will stop rotating, and one side of the earth will always face the sun, while the other side will always be dark. Not only will one side get really hot and the other side get really cold, but we will lose our magnetic field (which is created by spinning iron core in the Earth), which means all solar radiation will hit the surface and fry us all. That solar wind may also blow away the planet's atmosphere. Oceans will boil off and be blown away as well.
And no amount of DST is going to fix things
Rico ANDROID
Android Expert
We have bigger issues!!! The sun's gravity is slowing down our rotation. Some day, the Earth will stop rotating, and one side of the earth will always face the sun, while the other side will always be dark. Not only will one side get really hot and the other side get really cold, but we will lose our magnetic field (which is created by spinning iron core in the Earth), which means all solar radiation will hit the surface and fry us all. That solar wind may also blow away the planet's atmosphere. Oceans will boil off and be blown away as well.
And no amount of DST is going to fix things
....but,...but........but ..
WHY did you havta' go and say that fer?....
...now I got the heebie jeebies!...
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TxGoat
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...Insomnia!...what about FIGHT CLUB where he NEVER sleeps AND split into two personalities simultaneously functioning int two time zones occassionally
I'll watch Fight Club over and over again just to see what very minor detail I'll pick up for the first time. I think it took me about 2-3 viewings before I realized what Helena Bonham Carter said about being "&!^#$*ed like that since grade school"
We have bigger issues!!! The sun's gravity is slowing down our rotation. Some day, the Earth will stop rotating, and one side of the earth will always face the sun, while the other side will always be dark. Not only will one side get really hot and the other side get really cold, but we will lose our magnetic field (which is created by spinning iron core in the Earth), which means all solar radiation will hit the surface and fry us all. That solar wind may also blow away the planet's atmosphere. Oceans will boil off and be blown away as well.
And no amount of DST is going to fix things
So we'll be like a McDLT? (hot stays hot and the cool stays cool!) Oh and while trying to google the name (it escapes this old mind) I ran into this gem.... COSTANZA!!!!
80s Commercials - McDLT [Jason Alexander] - YouTube
On a serious note, I have personally felt like our winters are getting a little cooler and our summers a lot hotter (record 100 degree days in the Dallas area). It makes me wonder if the earth's axis is shifting a th of a degree. The only problem with that theory is we have so many scientists monitoring the most seemingly insignificant details about the earth that I doubt a change like that would go unnoticed. Unless that scientist is on his work computer posting on Android forums instead of monitoring his equipment!!!!
Rico ANDROID
Android Expert
Heh! Heh! Aint that a cult-classic? I STILL watch it and catch something I missed each time.. But I totally get your reference!.. each time I get to the scene with the plaster falling from the kitchen ceiling....i say...daYYyam! I Want one of what HE took! Then again I might stroke out! mid-stride! But if so, it sure would solve MY DST delima!
Ok - we are about to enter into standard time.
So - you want daylight savings to be the new standard time?
so yes, i got up an hour early for work (5am) 
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TxGoat
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so yes, i got up an hour early for work (5am)
Working on the weekends sucks. I've done it for so long, you start to lose touch with friends, family (since they have their get-togethers on the weekend). You know how hard it is to get a barbecue going with friends and family on Tuesday?!?!
amen brother.... though i do get home by 4pm now
Roze
Hiding behind a mystery
We have bigger issues!!! The sun's gravity is slowing down our rotation. Some day, the Earth will stop rotating, and one side of the earth will always face the sun, while the other side will always be dark. Not only will one side get really hot and the other side get really cold, but we will lose our magnetic field (which is created by spinning iron core in the Earth), which means all solar radiation will surface and fry us all. That solar wind may also blow away the planet's atmosphere. Oceans will boil off and be blown away as well.
And no amount of DST is going to fix things
What the!!!! That won't happen for thousands of years, so there's no point in scaring us, Novoxx
Link me the articles that talk about this. It seems mighty interesting.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
What the!!!! That won't happen for thousands of years, so there's no point in scaring us, Novoxx
Link me the articles that talk about this. It seems mighty interesting.
Billions of years.
What if the Earth Stopped Spinning
What would happen if the Earth stopped spinning?
Tidal locking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Can earth become tidally locked to the sun (in the far future)? - Yahoo! Answers
Good news: the sun will turn into a red giant and engulf the earth way before the Earth becomes tidally locked with the sun!