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[Crude]

I remember watching some TV show where a black family just moved into the neighborhood. There was a black guy in his 20's as a part of the family and he was this angry guy. A white guy also in his 20's was trying to befriend him and the black guy kept finding every way to make the white guy be the bad guy. Finally the white guy just called the black guy out, saying that that black guy focused more on skin color than anyone else there. People didn't want to hang out with him not because he was black but because he was a pissed off bitter guy that was mean to everyone.

I also taught a student in my class that kept viewing herself as a victim. She was mix black and latina and always spent time complaining about how the system is prejudiced against her and unfair. While I agreed with her that the system is not fair I told her very firmly that life is a bitch. You can either whine about it and play the victim and be the victim or fight and get out of the hell hole you are in. Who knows if she will listen.

I know there are still racist people around for sure. But as a culture, race, group whatevers, people gotta stop pigeon holing themselves as being the victim. This is probably taboo to say this but I feel like blacks (and other races as well) completely limit themselves from every becoming better by keeping on playing the victim and seeing persecution everywhere. You are only as strong and powerful as you make yourself to be. If you keep on wanting hand outs and support for everything "to help you improve your life" you will just depend on it for the rest of your life.

Good post, but I think it goes even deeper. The blacks have been beneficiaries to a lot of handouts, over the years this has eroded their drive to succeed. Not all of course, but there's a defined line that separates go-getters and the where's my money that I'm entitled to because of what your ancestors did to mine. If you want an extreme example of this look at the native Americans. Their culture is all but gone and they as a people are not far behind.

I MUST add that I think Indian culture is way cool and I cannot help but respect ANYONE that succeeds with honesty and integrity. Which is why I HATE social programs because they are neither honest or successful and run on those who are. Bad, bad, bad ,bad, bad.

 

[Zenze]

the 2nd to start with....



I have no proof what he is or isn't. It's a well know fact that he was muslim before he converted to christianity, which if I might add, a muslim changing his religion is within the odds of winning the lottery. And if you can't figure out how this hold relevance with how our relationship with Israel has changed in the last couple months then all reasoning is lost on you.

Do you really like the guy or some thing?

What in terms of the right to bear arms has he taken away?

How has he changed our relationship with Israel? And if he has why is it because of his supposed religion?

Actually I don't like him in many ways, however you made some claims and I am wondering why.

 

[Crude]

What in terms of the right to bear arms has he taken away?

Actually nothing...maybe he won't touch the issue, but I don't see him as most Americans do. There is much more to his political career then pre elections 2008. His stance on gun ownership is unconstitutional. This is also why I do not for a second believe he's christian.

How has he changed our relationship with Israel? And if he has why is it because of his supposed religion?

Actually I don't like him in many ways, however you made some claims and I am wondering why.

Well you did hear of him walking out of a meeting with the Israeli PM leaving him at the table thinking "wtf mate"? The PM and his delegation left Washington "embarrassed". Then more recently he stated during a trip to the UN that Israel should be treated the same way Iran is being treated in regards to Nuclear weapons. Iran has made very public threats to destroy American AND Israel and kill all of their citizens while Israel is our strongest Allie. Realizing that he was loosing American-Israeli support he tried to invite the PM back last week which never happened because of the whole flotilla thing. As far as why, well, radical muslims do not like Americans and Muslims in general don't like Israel. I didn't really need to make that connection though did I?

 

[hakr100]

Actually nothing...maybe he won't touch the issue, but I don't see him as most Americans do. There is much more to his political career then pre elections 2008. His stance on gun ownership is unconstitutional. This is also why I do not for a second believe he's christian.

I don't give a damn what his religious beliefs are, so long as he doesn't try to force them onto others.

 

[Zenze]

Then more recently he stated during a trip to the UN that Israel should be treated the same way Iran is being treated in regards to Nuclear weapons. Iran has made very public threats to destroy American AND Israel and kill all of their citizens while Israel is our strongest Allie. Realizing that he was loosing American-Israeli support he tried to invite the PM back last week which never happened because of the whole flotilla thing. As far as why, well, radical muslims do not like Americans and Muslims in general don't like Israel. I didn't really need to make that connection though did I?

I doubt that he said Israel should be treated the same way as Iran in regards to nuclear weapons. If you have a link or something I'll check it out. Israel already has nuclear weapons, Iran doesn't. Other then the fact that Iran is likely to use them if the get them, the fact that one of the countries has them and the other doesn't is reason to treat them differently.

Also I find it disagreeable to associate the entire Islamic religion with the political ambitions of a few. Throughout history people have used religion to justify and gain support for their political cause, but don't confuse that with it actually being supported by the religion. It is often easy to convince someone to join you if you tell them that God wants you to and he will reward you for it. This has been done by most major religions. People who claimed to be Christians were certainly guilty of this during the Spanish Inquisition and during the Crusades. Does that mean that it was part of the religion itself or was supported by the relation? Of course not.

 

[DrScrubs]

Which is why I HATE social programs because they are neither honest or successful and run on those who are. Bad, bad, bad ,bad, bad.

I can't help it, but I don't believe all social programs will cripple the very people the program serves. Perhaps we haven't found a way yet.

His stance on gun ownership is unconstitutional. This is also why I do not for a second believe he's christian.

What does gun ownership have anything to do with being a Christian?

Well you did hear of him walking out of a meeting with the Israeli PM leaving him at the table thinking "wtf mate"? The PM and his delegation left Washington "embarrassed".

Personal opinion here, but Israel's timing to announce they will continue building more housing on disputed and internationally not recognized as belonging to Israel territory right when we had the Vice President of the United States visiting to kick start the indirect negotiation is a slap in the face to the U.S. It's like you as a judge showing up to court to start the proceedings and you arrive to find one of the party already went off and did things on their own. That was a WTF moment.

The U.S had to respond similarly towards Israel to express disapproval.

The Israeli government has been making rather poor decisions lately. They have to have known that emotions have been running high regarding the blockade of Gaza. How smart is it to drop a handful of Israeli commandos into the middle of a ship where they can be easily immediately surrounded. From the reports the other ships were already stopped by other means, meaning people on the remaining ship are probably rather ticked off. Dropping armed men into a mob is just asking for trouble.

If that was the U.S or some Muslim country that did that the U.S and American Israeli supporter would be up in arms. But since it was Israel that did it...well, then it is understandable.

Muslims in general don't like Israel

While this can be true, one needs to see it from [added]Middle Eastern[added] Muslim countries' point of view. Why is it that Israel gets to claim Jerusalem as theirs?? I understand Jews needing a homeland after the Holocaust, but why Jerusalem? Claiming Biblical ties as a "evidence" that Jerusalem belongs to the Jews is about as ridiculous as claim as you can get. When Israel was carved out post WW2, people were already living there. Why did the Western world not carve out a chunk of land from their own territory?? Why carve it from someone else's territory? The answer is simple: because at that time the Arab nations did not have the military power to resist. Big mistake. Because anyone who knows a little about history is that region of the world has LOOOONG memories and do not forget or forgive very easily.

Now the problem has taken a life of its own. After multiple wars and loss of lives grudges runs deep and reason has left a long time ago. I can't tell you a quick solution to all this, but it does have to start with the U.S being fair and Israel needs to stop being a bully and acting unilaterally.

 

[Zenze]

While this can be true, one needs to see it from Muslim countries' point of view.

Just to point out, there are a lot more muslim countries than just the ones in the middle east. Actually only 20% of the muslim population lives in the middle east. Most live in other areas of Asia, very large amounts in Indonesia, and also a large amount in northern africa.

 

[DrScrubs]

Just to point out, there are a lot more muslim countries than just the ones in the middle east. Actually only 20% of the muslim population lives in the middle east.

Very good point. Wonder if Indonesia dislikes Israel?

 

[Crude]

Ok you guys make it really hard to want to read. You take what I say and twist it. You cite history when it's conveniant but forget to mention how "that" history came to be. It's borderline impossible to keep you guys on topic and words games are just the straw that broke the camels back. I'm sorry but I'm not wasting my time....oh and that's is also NOT an opinion.

 

[Crude]

I doubt that he said Israel should be treated the same way as Iran in regards to nuclear weapons. If you have a link or something I'll check it out. Israel already has nuclear weapons, Iran doesn't. Other then the fact that Iran is likely to use them if the get them, the fact that one of the countries has them and the other doesn't is reason to treat them differently.

Let me google that for you
Israel recoils as US backs nuclear move

Also I find it disagreeable to associate the entire Islamic religion with the political ambitions of a few.

Few? more like most

Throughout history people have used religion to justify and gain support for their political cause, but don't confuse that with it actually being supported by the religion.

What does this have to do with 2010?

It is often easy to convince someone to join you if you tell them that God wants you to and he will reward you for it.

Sounds muslim doesn't it?

This has been done by most major religions. People who claimed to be Christians were certainly guilty of this during the Spanish Inquisition and during the Crusades. Does that mean that it was part of the religion itself or was supported by the relation? Of course not.

Again, 2010 here.

 

[hakr100]

In the mid to late 1990s, the "good christians" of the former yugoslavia engaged in the wholesale ethnic cleansing and murder of tens of thousands or more of muslim in their geographic area. The point is that virtually every religion's followers have engaged in bloodthirsty murders in the name of their deity.

In this country, we have "good christians" blowing up women's clinics, murdering doctors, putting on ugly protests at the funerals of fallen soldiers, bashing gays, et cetera, all in the name of their deity.

 

[MJM128]

Negative proof fallacy: that, because a premise cannot be proven false, the premise must be true; or that, because a premise cannot be proven true, the premise must be false.

Stop with this saying obama is or isn't patriotic. I believe that he is patriotic in some ways and in other ways not so much lending to show it. Even though I differ with many of his policies what good does arguing over if he is or isn't.

To stand for the highest political office in this country as a black man in 2008 with all the loonies who apparently want to see him dead? Sure.

Why do people label him as a "black" man when he's less or equally "black" as he is other nationality. And it isn't as much that they label him black, it's more so that people focus so damn much on that. Like oh he's the first black president, he must be a hero or something, or get a peace prize. Unless race is just skin deep. Or apparently race matters so much. I guess those blacks are bellow others that it is that much more of an accomplishment! Reverse racism, is just as much racism as racism.

 

[Fenga Papit]

In the mid to late 1990s, the "good christians" of the former yugoslavia engaged in the wholesale ethnic cleansing and murder of tens of thousands or more of muslim in their geographic area. The point is that virtually every religion's followers have engaged in bloodthirsty murders in the name of their deity.

You conveniently failed to mention that those "good Christians" as you call them (more like mock) had been threatened and attacked by the Muslims themselves in an effort to rid former Yugoslavia of Christians.

If organised crime is a way of life in Kosovo, so is the systematic destruction of churches: more than 150 churches and monasteries have been blown up on the UN

 

[Zenze]

Few? more like most

No, more like few. Like I said before only 20% of the worlds muslims live in the middle east. And even amoung those the majority are still not intent on going around killing people. Indonesia has the biggest muslim population by far and they don't seem to be pissed off at Isreal or anything like that. Why? Because the conflicts in the middle east are poilitically based, not religious. Leaders use religion to gain support for their goals by lying to their followers and promising them things that are not even supported by their religious texts.

What does this have to do with 2010?

It has the do with 2010 because that is exactly what is going on in the middle east right now. It's nothing new and its been done by every major religion.

Sounds muslim doesn't it?

Sounds like every major religion when you look at history.

 

[IOWA]

Liberals say the American flag is racist.

FOXNews.com - California Students Sent Home for Wearing U.S. Flags on Cinco de Mayo

Just for that, I'm wearing an American flag Every May 5th from now on.

 

[hakr100]

You conveniently failed to mention that those "good Christians" as you call them (more like mock) had been threatened and attacked by the Muslims themselves in an effort to rid former Yugoslavia of Christians.

Who decides if these people are "good Christians"? You? Please post your qualifications and credentials. Of course you do know that the Westboro church you allude to was founded by and is lead by a "good liberal Democrat," right? Of course you do.

You missed the point. The point was that almost every religion and its practitioners have engaged in practices that result in the murder of those whose religious beliefs differ. Christians are not exempt from these practices.

Who decides which followers are "good christians"? Usually the followers make such proclamations about and for themselves.

 

[Fenga Papit]

Just for that, I'm wearing an American flag Every May 5th from now on.

I'll be burning the flag of Mexico in public as well as dragging one on the ground next May 5th. Liberals love it when Mexicans do this to the American flag - or the liberals just do it themselves, so I expect full support from liberals.

 

[3devious]

Just for that, I'm wearing an American flag Every May 5th from now on.

How about on March 17th?

Ebert thinks that those boys should have to sit with those wearing the Hammer and Sickle on 7/4. That's pretty stupid for a simple reason:
5/5 isn't an important holiday to the Mexican people in Mexico really. I mean It would be more offensive to wear something commemorating Bastille Day or something like that.

If someone wore the Hammer and Sickle this July 4th, I wouldn't care. If someone wore the Confederate Flag on that day I wouldn't care. (It would be tacky to wear it on Martin Luther King Day, but hey I don't really care.)

Roger Ebert is stupid (he sucks at reviewing movies anyway,) that principal is stupid (his school system has a pathetic literacy rate. He probably went there,) and I am sure this is Bush's fault somehow.

 

[mkeath]

The Hispanic kids were allowed to wear their Mexican flag attire for a FAKE holiday that is not even celebrated in Mexico except for a small area. The kids sporting American flag attire had their civil rights violated. According to libtard logic, that is racist. It is offensive. It is an outrage.

You probably can't understand that until the next time something comes up with a Hispanic on the short end of the stick, then the usual libtard rhetoric will spew forth.

See above. I'm taking a rule from the libtard playbook and reversing it.

Oh, and the thread title isn't mine. And you made a typo in my screen name.

I explained above why I said the racist attitudes of libtards played in this decision by the school. Add to that the school official that sent the kids home is Hispanic. Reverse the situation and I am certain you would be charging a white school official sending Hispanic kids home as racist.

Libtards also say the American flag is offensive!

YouTube - Old Glory 'Offensive'?

I'm fairly certain you are wrong. In the above video the teacher praised a kid drawing Obama but told the little girl that her drawing of the American flag was offensive. Since libtards love to charge those that disagree with or criticize Obama as racist, this teacher is also racist. And ignorant. These kinds of people should not be teaching children in any capacity.

Free phone to the first person who can bold all of the non sequiturs in this post. (not really, just a fun game)

EDIT: Free case to the person who can point out all of the inferences and false conjectures too.

 

[IOWA]

Never seen that one. Not that it matters Obama is in no way a Patriot.

I don't see how you can say Obama is not a patriot. Just because he (or anyone else for that matter) had different opinions from you does not mean that he doesn't have love of country.

I personally don't think obama is a patriot. He refuses to salute our flag during the national anthem, both symbols of our country.

In my book, anyone who dismiss's, comes against, or doesn't honor a symbol of our country, is not a patriot.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

 

[Zenze]

I personally don't think obama is a patriot. He refuses to salute our flag during the national anthem, both symbols of our country.

In my book, anyone who dismiss's, comes against, or doesn't honor a symbol of our country, is not a patriot.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

Thats a fair enough reason to base your personal opinion off.

Most of the time he does salute the flag, but as we all know there are times that he doesn't. It is a bit strange, but personally I think there are more significant ways to measure patriotism.

 

[Crude]

Thats a fair enough reason to base your personal opinion off.

Most of the time he does salute the flag, but as we all know there are times that he doesn't. It is a bit strange, but personally I think there are more significant ways to measure patriotism.

Like what? bumper stickers? Get real....

 

[hakr100]

I personally don't think obama is a patriot. He refuses to salute our flag during the national anthem, both symbols of our country.

In my book, anyone who dismiss's, comes against, or doesn't honor a symbol of our country, is not a patriot.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

Superficial patriotism, at best. Real patriotism involves working to better your country, state, city, community, et cetera, and in defending your country and your fellow citizens, and in improving the possibilities of their futures.

A guy who goes to a ballgame and stands while the National Anthem is playing may be a patriot. A teacher who spends extra hours above and beyond to tutor kids so they can read and write is a patriot.

Actions speak a lot louder than symbolism.

 

[IOWA]

I personally don't think obama is a patriot. He refuses to salute our flag during the national anthem, both symbols of our country.

In my book, anyon

Superficial patriotism, at best. Real patriotism involves working to better your country, state, city, community, et cetera, and in defending your country and your fellow citizens, and in improving the possibilities of their futures.

A guy who goes to a ballgame and stands while the National Anthem is playing may be a patriot. A teacher who spends extra hours above and beyond to tutor kids so they can read and write is a patriot.

Actions speak a lot louder than symbolism.

Ummm your way off base here, (again, big surprise right?)

Someone being a good teacher has absolutely nothing to do with being a patriot.. sometimes I wonder who line feeds you this crap. Or do you just make it up?

So tell me, what has obama done to better the country? All I see is things he wanted to do that have made the country worse off.

Any patriot who is physically capable will salute our national flag(especially during the national anthem). Period. Anyone who doesn't, simply isn't a patriot. Period. In some places, that would be looked on as treason. Obama can thank god(or is it allah, for him?)this is the land of tolerance.

Man hakr, at the rate your going, your going to need a space shuttle to catch your credibility.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

 

[Zenze]

Like what? bumper stickers? Get real....

What? Who said anything about bumper stickers???

Actually doing something to improve or serve your country is the most important form of patriotism in my view.

The proper way to be patiotic is a personal opinion, there is no right or wrong way. Others may disagree with this but its their right to do so.