Stannis the Mannis
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The only people I see complain about LGs phones are the ones who got screwed over with the G2x or w/e it was called, ever since the Optimus G they have been great phones.
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The only people I see complain about LGs phones are the ones who got screwed over with the G2x or w/e it was called, ever since the Optimus G they have been great phones.
nickdalzell
Extreme Android User
wait, what? my Optimus V was one of my best. it came with FroYo, but was updated to 2.3 and heck, except for its rather undersized cache partition, still remains fluid with its now-ancient CM 7-based ROM. it was with me when i first started seeing Daisy, my friend's deer. it managed to survive her, the dirt, work, and being dropped a gazillion times, and even being run over by a truck. it's scratched all to heck and back, but i could turn it on now and it still works.
JIMV
Android Enthusiast
Your 'clarity' is unclear. If I buy a file, I own the file and can use it.
That said, the issue is a SD Card slot and the need for one. I need and want one and consider the new phone less capable, a step backward that should not be encouraged by the phone makers.
nickdalzell
Extreme Android User
My GS3 has both: a removable battery and an SD slot. unfortunately it's a royal PAIN to remove that unibody back to get at the SD slot, and it requires powering the phone off before it will recognize it. i tried, it refuses to hot-mount the card if inserted while it's on. such a PITA that i am not replacing the 8GB card that is in it now.
divinebovine
Android Expert
I agree with your goal but it is my understanding that most "non-removable" batteries can still be replaced at end of life, it just takes 10 minutes of work instead of 30 seconds.
Nobody wears out batteries like I do and nobody keeps a device as long as I do, so this is very important to me.
My Venture also does not do well with hot-mounting, and with my SD-EXT stuff it's pretty much totally incompatible with changing the SD card...my SD card is essentially internal storage. However, I can upgrade to a larger or faster one if I want to put a few minutes of effort into it (shut down phone, partition new card, copy files).
Also, I haven't seen it mentioned and this is very important to me, when my phone gets crushed or wet or otherwise destroyed, the MicroSD card will survive. No data loss, and my investment in however many GB of memory gets used in the next phone. (I will give the Venture credit for one thing...it's survived a lot of abuse!)
divinebovine
Android Expert
He's correct about common music files; while you own the file itself, the content within is owned by someone else and they license the rights to you. He's wrong to imply that all files include that type of content; I have plenty of my own content. The issue I raised earlier which I think needs to be said in this context but perhaps needs less off-topic discussion is that if you import data that is illegal somewhere, regardless of your ownership or not, you could be subject to punishment like jail time -- and having it on an SD card is no better than downloading it from the cloud in that case, you're still doing hard time.
scarshapedstar
Member
Alright, honestly if you refuse to stream music you're just kind of a Luddite.
I have ~40,000 MP3s copied on 2 different hard drives in case one dies. The whole set is uploaded to Amazon. About half of them are on my Google Music.
I don't give a damn if they "belong to me" because they're sitting in my house in two different places and unless Google or Amazon or whoever breaks in, uh, I still physically possess them.
So in addition to being able to stream my entire music collection from any device at any time, and not having to pick 0.5% of it to clog up my phone storage, I have the all-access Google Music deal. I suppose if they end that then I can't stream their library anymore, but those bazillion songs were never mine to begin with, so... ok.
Why I would resign myself to dedicating my entire device to redundant mp3s, I have no frickin' idea. Maybe if I'd fallen for Verizon's "hey, wanna give up your unlimited data?" scam, but that's about it.
That said, there's a very good reason to want a lot of storage: APPS. I think a top-flight device in 2013 should hold every game I've cared to purchase. There's also some apps I use that require a large data library, or generate one over time. And of course there's things like Titanium and Nandroid backups that are pretty fat - yes I can copy them to the desktop if need be, but honestly that 32 gigs is half-gone by the time my tablet is restored with all my stuff.
You can't install apps to the frickin' cloud. If you're gonna say to just pick some of them to uninstall, well, apps are only getting bigger as time goes by and Apple has magically figured out some way to put 128gb in their devices (apparently you just have to wave $200 over it and all "design limitations" vanish) so I really don't get what the goddamn holdup is.
And I'm still pondering an upgrade from my 3-year-old Dinc with 40 gb of storage to a Maxx with 32. I don't care about paying more - I care about getting more for what I pay. Something really needs to reverse this "do more with less!" trend - nobody's ever going to convince me to trade in my 2TB desktop drive for a 500gb one, so I don't get why people will buy similar BS when it comes to phones and tablets. At all.
I also find it funny that people are highly concerned about uploading songs to Google Music because the day is coming when everyone who uses it gets rounded up by Lars Ulrich, yet believe that no one could ever possibly inspect the files stored on their phone, even though practically any app they have installed has the permissions to scan their music directory and send a listing to the black helicopters or whoever.
I have ~40,000 MP3s copied on 2 different hard drives in case one dies. The whole set is uploaded to Amazon. About half of them are on my Google Music.
I don't give a damn if they "belong to me" because they're sitting in my house in two different places and unless Google or Amazon or whoever breaks in, uh, I still physically possess them.
So in addition to being able to stream my entire music collection from any device at any time, and not having to pick 0.5% of it to clog up my phone storage, I have the all-access Google Music deal. I suppose if they end that then I can't stream their library anymore, but those bazillion songs were never mine to begin with, so... ok.
Why I would resign myself to dedicating my entire device to redundant mp3s, I have no frickin' idea. Maybe if I'd fallen for Verizon's "hey, wanna give up your unlimited data?" scam, but that's about it.
That said, there's a very good reason to want a lot of storage: APPS. I think a top-flight device in 2013 should hold every game I've cared to purchase. There's also some apps I use that require a large data library, or generate one over time. And of course there's things like Titanium and Nandroid backups that are pretty fat - yes I can copy them to the desktop if need be, but honestly that 32 gigs is half-gone by the time my tablet is restored with all my stuff.
You can't install apps to the frickin' cloud. If you're gonna say to just pick some of them to uninstall, well, apps are only getting bigger as time goes by and Apple has magically figured out some way to put 128gb in their devices (apparently you just have to wave $200 over it and all "design limitations" vanish) so I really don't get what the goddamn holdup is.
And I'm still pondering an upgrade from my 3-year-old Dinc with 40 gb of storage to a Maxx with 32. I don't care about paying more - I care about getting more for what I pay. Something really needs to reverse this "do more with less!" trend - nobody's ever going to convince me to trade in my 2TB desktop drive for a 500gb one, so I don't get why people will buy similar BS when it comes to phones and tablets. At all.
I also find it funny that people are highly concerned about uploading songs to Google Music because the day is coming when everyone who uses it gets rounded up by Lars Ulrich, yet believe that no one could ever possibly inspect the files stored on their phone, even though practically any app they have installed has the permissions to scan their music directory and send a listing to the black helicopters or whoever.
zuben el genub
Extreme Android User
It's more for convenience in doing your own. If I rip them on a computer, I am allowed to use them on any device I own. My truck has a cd player with a USB port. It doesn't stream. I've also been in a "waste desert" where the is no phone signal or wifi. Couldn't stream if I wanted to. Not everyone is urban or has all the conveniences of urban living. Where I live, all carriers have a problem. We encompass almost every type of terrain except ocean front and we did that in the Mesozoic.
Some rural parts of the US are lucky if they get Edge.
Nor do I give a damn if apps search the phone. I'm fighting targeted marketing. Right now, except for a couple of apps, I see none. Since there is really nothing I want, that's fine by me.
Some rural parts of the US are lucky if they get Edge.
Nor do I give a damn if apps search the phone. I'm fighting targeted marketing. Right now, except for a couple of apps, I see none. Since there is really nothing I want, that's fine by me.
scarshapedstar
Member
I guess I'm confused as to what people define as "the cloud", then. If they're talking about paying $1 to buy a song, then lol, yes screw that. But I'm likewise talking about ripping mp3s and uploading them to "the cloud". They don't vanish from my computer when I do that and that functionality is the entire selling point of Google Music over Spotify, etc.
But yes, if you have no data I definitely understand storing mp3s on your phone. Either way, storage matters, a lot.
But yes, if you have no data I definitely understand storing mp3s on your phone. Either way, storage matters, a lot.
zuben el genub
Extreme Android User
You are right about the ownership. He might have "fair use" in mind.
I do have a lot of photographic files, and I forget which program blocked some due to DRM. DRM BS. I have the EXIF file from the camera and can prove I took it. It has been known to happen. If you have your own band and record performances, especially cover music, some damn overzealous agency like the RIAA could demand that you erase it from your computer.
I hadn't uploaded any of my photos anywhere, they were on my hard drive.
I transferred one over to another computer and got "not allowed" to access. It might have been one browser I was using. MS has snuck it's DRM into FX.
divinebovine
Android Expert
I'd rather be a luddite listening to music than be state of the art and my lame signal means I have to sing to myself.
I would never suggest anyone should reduce what they have, but to me "do more with less" means that since I already have less (all my money goes to a 2005 real estate bubble mistake), I'll be able to go ahead and do more than I otherwise might.
I don't have to run faster than the Lars Ulrich piloting a black helicopter, I just have to run faster than you. Your 40,000 songs are conveniently placed where they can check them all first. When they start coming after cloud storage, I'll begin to wonder if my SD card is next -- though they'll have to give me better connectivity before they can scan my stuff anyway, assuming they can make a legal case on evidence obtained by going into my device through my connection only to find stuff whose paper trail I used to have but have since lost (the great collapsing hard drive disaster of early 2013).
Rather like a black box flight recorder. The plane can be totally wrecked in a crash, yet the black boxs always survive.
You might have taken some important once in a lifetime photos or videos, the phone suffers a mishap before you've had a chance to transfer the pictures to your computer or another backup device, they'll all on the SD safe and sound. :thumbup:
new optimus
Android Expert
Great points. I too think about replacability of the battery the fact that it can be replaced is great. The idea of needing tools to do so still sucks.
The point about the sd card lasting even if the phone is damaged beyond repair is a great point.
I regularly stream music myself, but only at home or the office. Not when travelling or out and about, because it could get very expensive as unlimited mobile data is not available.
I'm sure many people stream at home or at work, even if it's just internet radio. It's nothing new anyway, things like Live 365 and Real have been around for a very long time.
I've never uploaded any of my own FLACs and MP3s to the Google or Amazon though. Because those are not available. I've got about 28GB of music on the SD in my phone, which is pretty much the total of my music collection. And it's all on the laptop as well, as well as a USB drive.
funkylogik
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The main thing that would worry me about a sealed battery is in the past i potentially saved a phone that fell in a pint of beer by ripping the battery out in like quarter of a second lol 
jhawkkw
Chinchillin'
The main thing that would worry me about a sealed battery is in the past i potentially saved a phone that fell in a pint of beer by ripping the battery out in like quarter of a second lol
But on the positive side, a sealed battery allows a phone to become waterproof if manufactured correctly. Examples like the Xperia Z and S4 Active are prime examples
new optimus
Android Expert
While true not really great because most phones do not have that.
Case in point the nexus 4, and the htc one do not nor can they claim to be water proof.
jhawkkw
Chinchillin'
Indeed that is true. It all comes down to how they are made. A removable battery phone can never be waterproof, while a sealed battery can be if made correctly. However the knock against it is if water can't get in, it usually means heat can't get out. Pick your poison I guess.
funkylogik
share the love peeps ;)
True man. I really like the Xperia Z. Id love the tab
new optimus
Android Expert
I like the concept of the Xperia z but I dislike its made by sony, they have a history of screwing the customer.
nickdalzell
Extreme Android User
actually there are OtterBox cases that give any phone waterproofing, removable battery or not. aside the harder than heck to replace sealed stuff, i found out that all the battery outlets here aren't allowed to open a sealed battery phone, and often they use proprietary bits that you can't get at the Home Depot, as well. Apple's latest iPhone is an example of the latter, and if Google keeps getting inspired by Apple they might pull similar stunts. Even if you find the one odd store that can replace them, it often ends up costing as much if not more than a new phone, again, planned obsolescence.
funkylogik
share the love peeps ;)
Aparently the HTC One requires a special tool that isnt available to the public
My Optimus V died after the 4th fall. Cracked screen killed the digitizer. The 2nd one lives in an Otterbox. It was a great little first smartphone for me. Emphasis on the word little. Only real issue I had was the partitioned memory. It got very tiresome having to delete apps because I ran out of space. An issue that is unhappily repeated in today's tiny 16GB phones with no extra storage.
Seriously how do you guys use your phone as a camera and NOT run out of space without a microSD card?
BTW, my reason for calling LG's phones "bricks" is due entirely to their lack of user replaceable batteries. I have a portable charger and extra batteries. Unless you experience both ways of topping up you really don't appreciate the time differential.
The main thing that would worry me about a sealed battery is in the past i potentially saved a phone that fell in a pint of beer by ripping the battery out in like quarter of a second lol
Ah but the important question is, how did you save the beer?
Special proprietary tools are never usually a problem here, such as the HTC'driver or the Apple pentalobe. If there's a demand for it, companies will make it.
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