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Bob Maxey said:
Only a total fool would NOT agree with Mr. Limbaugh. His accuracy and track record speaks for itself. You might hate Rush, but you cannot call him a liar or say he misleads his "Dittoheads."

You do not listen to him so why comment on something you do not understand and you do know know anything about?
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:rolleyes::stupid::rofl:
 
OutofDate1980 said:
Bernard Madoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Madoff undertook charity work for the Gift of Life Bone Marrow Foundation and made philanthropic gifts through the Madoff Family Foundation, a $19 million private foundation, which he managed along with his wife.[20] They donated money to hospitals and theaters.[
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Madoff broke the law. Are you alleging the Koch brothers are doing the same? Evidence please? Cuz so far I see nothing they are doing that is objectionable. Well, unless you disagree with their politics anyway.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Madoff broke the law. Are you alleging the Koch brothers are doing the same? Evidence please? Cuz so far I see nothing they are doing that is objectionable. Well, unless you disagree with their politics anyway.
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At the time Madoff was making the donations, he hadn't been caught.

Al Capone started the first soup kitchens during the depression, he was also paying off politicians at the time.

The good and bad give to charity, sometimes for public relations.
 
OutofDate1980 said:
At the time Madoff was making the donations, he hadn't been caught.

Al Capone started the first soup kitchens during the depression, he was also paying off politicians at the time.

The good and bad give to charity, sometimes for public relations.
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Yeah, yeah yeah and Mussolini made the trains run on time. Red herring much?

This started with someone making the argument that conservative rich people only give to causes that bring them more money while liberal rich people give to causes that make the world a better place. To this I responded with citations of those horrible Koch brothers actually giving to make the world a better place. Then you toss Madoff in there. Complete red herring.

I'll bet money if the Koch brothers were giving money to liberal causes instead of conservative ones no one would care. Anecdotally at least it would seem to be a myth that rich people tend to be more conservative politically. There are (according to CBS) 25 millionaires in Congress, 14 Democrats and 11 Republicans. If you look at the list of the top 10 billionaires in the US it shakes down that way too. Gates, Ellison and Buffet top the list and all are Democrats. Christy Walton gave to both parties. Then the rest of the list is basically made up of both Kochs and four Waltons. All four Waltons gave to the Republicans. Not sure how accurate this is as families tend to have the same politics and none of the Waltons really earned their money, they just inherited it like the Kochs did.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Gates, Ellison and Buffet top the list and all are Democrats.
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From my research, I saw that Buffet was quoted as saying he is not a card-carrying Democrat, I assume it means he's not one. Gates is more independent, because he donate to both parties. Not sure about Ellison at all.

Do you have any links on them being Democrats?
 
saptech said:
From my research, I saw that Buffet was quoted as saying he is not a card-carrying Democrat, I assume it means he's not one. Gates is more independent, because he donate to both parties. Not sure about Ellison at all.

Do you have any links on them being Democrats?
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Just that they've donated to the Democratic party in the past. Buffet may not be a card-carrying Democrat, but he has publicly endorsed Obama and donated to his campaign. Gates has been known to publicly endorse taxing the wealthier more which is a liberal cause for sure. You are right though that he tends to back whatever party seems to be best at the time and has given to both parties. Ellison is a Democrat as best I can tell. At the very least he gives mainly to Democratic candidates. He's given to Republicans as well, but his giving skews heavily toward the Democratic side. He gave to Feinstein and Boxer for instance which either indicates his politics lean toward the left or that he thought they were going to win regardless and was trying to sway favor. It's always hard to tell.
 
A.Nonymous said:
... I'll bet money if the Koch brothers were giving money to liberal causes instead of conservative ones no one would care. ...
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BS, the wing nutjobs would be screaming bloody murder, demanding Koch Industries be seized for being a RICO and the Koch brother be hunted down and jailed.

Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales - Bloomberg

"Phil Dubose, a Koch employee who testified against the company said he and his colleagues were shown by their managers how to steal and cheat -- using techniques they called the Koch Method."

 
Name one business run by prominent Democrats that has been singled out for this kind of criticism. Koch is headquartered here locally. I've interviewed with them before. I've got friends who work there. That article does not describe the culture of the company at all.

Any time you've got a company that big you've got people running around doing things they shouldn't and covering it up. If you'd read the article, you'd see that Koch has a long history of winning workplace awards. The fact that one of their subsidiaries was selling to Iran wasn't illegal either. Just saying.

Koch Industries is simply a corporation. Corporations are amoral.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Name one business run by prominent Democrats that has been singled out for this kind of criticism.
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Can't think of one that has five criminal convictions. Thought there was a law after three criminal convictions you go to jail for a long time. Corporations are people too.:rolleyes:

A.Nonymous said:
I've interviewed with them before.
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I'll vouch for you during your next interview that you have defended them despite overwhelming evidence they are a threat to the country.;)

Let me fix that for you. :)
A.Nonymous said:
Koch Industries is simply an immoral corporation. Corporations are amoral.
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I completely and totally disagree with you but then we get into a philosophical discussion about what it means to be human.
 
A.Nonymous said:
WTF is the hate for the Koch brother's all of a sudden? They are local yokels so I'm familiar with them and none of them have received any coverage at all ever until recently.
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Why the hate? Well at least a few decimal points of global warming in the next century at the very least.
 
Frank Rich on the National Circus: Mitt Can

"All the betting seems to be on Tim Pawlenty, and with good reason because he’s Romney’s idea of a diversity pick: He may be another boring white guy, but TPaw (has there ever been a guy less suited to this kind of nickname?) wasn’t born into wealth and comes from Minnesota, not Michigan, and thus enlivens the ticket with a slightly different variety of Midwestern accent."
 
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