Anyone using the seidio extended 1750mAh battery?

[crashdogy]

On day 4, stock "HTC-DI-1300" from full charge to right now 11h 18m 12s and have 13% to go. So fare today did about 10-calls, 2-hour internet, 1-hour game play, 12 texts, use shopsavvy about 15 at the store, Wi-Fi is always on but not looking for locations, Bluetooth off, GPS off. Only thing I do have on my phone to help is an auto appz killer for when my phone sleeps. When I unlock it every thing works.

 

[danielevans83]

No I can't. However I can offer a reasonable explanation that doesn't have to involve science (well not directly anyhow).

Could it just be simply that using a higher density cell would increase both weight and price and that with the 1300ma battery HTC/Verizon reached the performance point they desired?

The weight of testimony in evidence (albiet anecdotal) of a truly increased energy density seems broadly in support of manufacturers claims and the only evidence presented that is contrary to this was performed in a clearly uncontrolled manner.

For myself this has been enough for me to put my money where my mouth is, however as with everything on the internet YMMV.

Obviously not all batteries are created equal. If that was true, Duracell and Energizer wouldn't have any reason to be bought than any other batteries. Think it's all marketing? Go get some batteries from K-Mart and tell me how good they are. So obviously yes, people can pack more power/power efficiency into the same size area. The person who said you can't is an imbecile. Cell phone batteries aren't like new technology or anything, just cut in a shape to fit cell phones...

I got the 1750 mAh battery from Seidio and it DEFINITELY improved the battery life of my phone. I used to have a charger everywhere I went, now I only charge it once a day with heavy usage, every other day with light usage. Still don't know if it was worth the price they charge, but it is clearly better than the OEM one.

 

[wonderbread]

I got the 1750 mAh battery from Seidio and it DEFINITELY improved the battery life of my phone. I used to have a charger everywhere I went, now I only charge it once a day with heavy usage, every other day with light usage. Still don't know if it was worth the price they charge, but it is clearly better than the OEM one.

Every other day? How long have you owned this phone and new battery?

 

[Seagull84]

I purchased Seidio's slim 1750 mAH battery in Feb. for my Eris, got the Incredbile, stuck the battery in it, and the life is amazing. In about 12-16 hours, it needs a recharge after fairly heavy browsing use with only 3G enabled, so my guess if you barely use it all day, it will last the entire day.

I learned a lot about preserving battery from the Eris, so I have the Incredible optimized and I kill apps all the time, but seriously... Almost 50% more battery life, it really does last longer and I have no complaints. $65 well-spent!

 

[computerpro3]

Obviously not all batteries are created equal. If that was true, Duracell and Energizer wouldn't have any reason to be bought than any other batteries. Think it's all marketing? Go get some batteries from K-Mart and tell me how good they are. So obviously yes, people can pack more power/power efficiency into the same size area. The person who said you can't is an imbecile. Cell phone batteries aren't like new technology or anything, just cut in a shape to fit cell phones...

I got the 1750 mAh battery from Seidio and it DEFINITELY improved the battery life of my phone. I used to have a charger everywhere I went, now I only charge it once a day with heavy usage, every other day with light usage. Still don't know if it was worth the price they charge, but it is clearly better than the OEM one.

Not only are you looking at it completely the wrong way, but Energizers are complete crap for their alkalines (and yes this has been independently confirmed and tested).

You're looking at it from the bottom up (well this shitty battery fits x amount of ma, and duracell fits more, so obviously it's possible). The problem is, the TP2 battery isn't a Kmart battery - it's already the "duracell" equivalent - a top quality OEM cell.

Now if you want to find me a AA battery that packs 30% more ma than a duracell coppertop or panasonic evolta, then we'll talk.

I can't believe the flak I'm taking for trying to help people here. And I can't believe the low level of logic used by those trying to prove me wrong ("ZOMG I bought the battery so I can't be wrong!") We even have people claiming that you need to "cycle" your battery and that "battery life will improve with time"

NO! Please, do some frigging research before making yourself look like even more of a fool.

http://www.batteryuniversity.com/print-partone-5.htm

 

[veloslave]

Not only are you looking at it completely the wrong way, but Energizers are complete crap for their alkalines (and yes this has been independently confirmed and tested).

You're looking at it from the bottom up (well this shitty battery fits x amount of ma, and duracell fits more, so obviously it's possible). The problem is, the TP2 battery isn't a Kmart battery - it's already the "duracell" equivalent - a top quality OEM cell.

Now if you want to find me a AA battery that packs 30% more ma than a duracell coppertop or panasonic evolta, then we'll talk.

I can't believe the flak I'm taking for trying to help people here. And I can't believe the low level of logic used by those trying to prove me wrong ("ZOMG I bought the battery so I can't be wrong!") We even have people claiming that you need to "cycle" your battery and that "battery life will improve with time

NO! Please, do some frigging research before making yourself look like even more of a fool.

Is lithium-ion the ideal battery?

.I'll most likely be sorry I got involved

Have you considered that Duracell and HTC are using the very best materials that are affordable to the budget and that even better materials exist if someone can afford to pay for them?

I have no doubt that HTC uses top grade materials... but the MOST expensive or VERY best? Personally I doubt it.

Just my .02... YMMV... IMO... yada yada yada

 

[Quintessence]

This thread is about people who are satisfied using their Seido battery. Just because it doesn't check out in your own mindset, doesn't make it any less of a great battery. What really matters is what works for the consumer.

Now personally, I don't care about the non-issues. I have both a Seido 1750 and a TP2 battery. They are both great, but I do get more life out of my Seido.

Now according to your logic, it isn't possible. But according to my testing, and my usage, its better.

I'm no battery engineer, but I am en route to an engineering degree, and if it fits your needs then use it.

If I need to build a plane and a foreign engine offers that of a domestic engine, but improves upon it, its worth checking it.

If indeed it proves to be better and equally reliable, I sure as hell will go with it, even with a person going saying that "it can't be better because A, B, C are not possible, because according to Mr. D, that level of C isn't possible."

Buy it and test it yourself, but I definitely say its been an improvement over the HTC 1300 and 1500 I had prior.

 

[QrafTee]

.I'll most likely be sorry I got involved

Have you considered that Duracell and HTC are using the very best materials that are affordable to the budget and that even better materials exist if someone can afford to pay for them?

I have no doubt that HTC uses top grade materials... but the MOST expensive or VERY best? Personally I doubt it.

Just my .02... YMMV... IMO... yada yada yada

It's already been proven that they don't for the Droid Incredible because the HTC Touch Pro 2 is a 1500mAh battery compared to the Droid Eris' and Droid Incredible's 1300mAh.

 

[zemerick]

.I'll most likely be sorry I got involved

Have you considered that Duracell and HTC are using the very best materials that are affordable to the budget and that even better materials exist if someone can afford to pay for them?

I have no doubt that HTC uses top grade materials... but the MOST expensive or VERY best? Personally I doubt it.

Just my .02... YMMV... IMO... yada yada yada

He did mention that it is possible to get a little higher. The thing is, Li-Ion in and of itself is already the top for batteries atm. From there, it mostly comes down to manufacturer defects which OEM will typically have far less. Now, there are some things to get higher amounts, but they are not that high. ( I believe his point was that the OEM probably uses a different rating system for the battery than that of the 3rd party. Consider a processor. Intel might ship a proc and say it is 2.1 ghz. Get the same exact proc from a 3rd party, and they might says it's 2.4 ghz. Not quite the same, but similar.) Most likely the 3rd party is saying under ideal conditions you'll get 1750 mah, and the OEM is saying under normal RL usage you'll get 1300 mah. The 1750 will probably net you more, true...but it also most likely won't be the full difference the numbers suggest.

The drastic changes ( especially 6-22 hours! ) I can promise have something other than the actual capacity of the battery to thank(atleast mostly)....most likely several changes. For example, consider that over time you might use the phone less. Next, from the sounds of it they probably hadn't given the stock battery enough time for the phone to calibrate to it. Yesterday my phone went from full to 14 percent in 4 hours. Today I've gone over 6 hours and still read over 90 percent. ( though I'm pretty sure it's ready to move down to 80, and the 80-0 might go by faster as I doubt it's finished calibrating. ) This is my 4th day with the phone btw.

I'm not saying don't buy an extended battery, but I also say give your stock battery a chance. You should go ATLEAST 5 full cycles ( From from fully charged to turning itself off) to make sure you are getting an accurate reading on the battery.

Personally, I plan to get the extended VZW battery because it'll be a high quality OEM AND it's rated value is higher than the Seido ( Though I don't care about the added thickness, I hate cases/etc.)

 

[Callahan]

.I'll most likely be sorry I got involved

Have you considered that Duracell and HTC are using the very best materials that are affordable to the budget and that even better materials exist if someone can afford to pay for them?

I have no doubt that HTC uses top grade materials... but the MOST expensive or VERY best? Personally I doubt it.

Just my .02... YMMV... IMO... yada yada yada

I don't doubt it. Their reputation and phone sales ride on it. Battery life is a large sale point for smart phones. I mean Seido isn't exactly like PC Power and Cooling cashing in on OEM's going with cheaper vendors. The battery power actually determines how well a phone model sells over time.

 

[QrafTee]

I don't doubt it. Their reputation and phone sales ride on it. Battery life is a large sale point for smart phones. I mean Seido isn't exactly like PC Power and Cooling cashing in on OEM's going with cheaper vendors. The battery power actually determines how well a phone model sells over time.

So why not include a 1500mAh battery like in the Touch Pro 2?

 

[Doc_Stew]

So why not include a 1500mAh battery like in the Touch Pro 2?

I think that's everyone's question. It's not like it was a surprise to HTC that this phone <may> use up more battery life than a "regular" phone. It's a mini computer in your pocket - so why not include a better battery? That's why I'm frustrated - I paid $200 for a new phone, and then need to shell out $50 for another freaking battery because I have to charge my phone 3 times a day!

 

[danielevans83]

Not only are you looking at it completely the wrong way, but Energizers are complete crap for their alkalines (and yes this has been independently confirmed and tested).

You're looking at it from the bottom up (well this shitty battery fits x amount of ma, and duracell fits more, so obviously it's possible). The problem is, the TP2 battery isn't a Kmart battery - it's already the "duracell" equivalent - a top quality OEM cell.

Now if you want to find me a AA battery that packs 30% more ma than a duracell coppertop or panasonic evolta, then we'll talk.

I can't believe the flak I'm taking for trying to help people here. And I can't believe the low level of logic used by those trying to prove me wrong ("ZOMG I bought the battery so I can't be wrong!") We even have people claiming that you need to "cycle" your battery and that "battery life will improve with time"

NO! Please, do some frigging research before making yourself look like even more of a fool.

Is lithium-ion the ideal battery?

It's cute how people arm themselves with Google Search and think they know more than real-world experience. I'll let you know when your ridiculous claims have any affect on my real-world use of my phone. The extended battery is easily more powerful than the OEM, the only way it isn't is if you didn't condition the battery correctly when you first bought it.

 

[czm2000]

Do you have a link to these amazing batteries? I've searched for 1500 ma TP2 batteries and have found nothing. Searching 1500 ma batteries gets came

Maybe this: OEM Battery 1500 mah for T-Mobile HTC Touch Pro 2 Pro2 - eBay (item 350347497180 end time May-05-10 14:43:10 PDT)

I bought mine from MSGdigital.com Thursday night for $29.95. They shipped it Friday and I'll have it in a couple days.

 

[destardi]

I bought mine from MSGdigital.com Thursday night for $29.95. They shipped it Friday and I'll have it in a couple days.

Cool...I bought mine from EBay (BidAllies) -

Original OEM HTC RHOD160 for HTC Hero, Imagio, Ozone, Snap, Touch Pro2

35H00123-00m


1500ma

Best luck to everyone.

 

[bucwylde23]

I bought mine from MSGdigital.com Thursday night for $29.95. They shipped it Friday and I'll have it in a couple days.

they are on amazon for ~16-18 bucks. I paid 21 bucks with shipping. Hope to get it soon

 

[czm2000]

I bought mine from MSGdigital.com Thursday night for $29.95. They shipped it Friday and I'll have it in a couple days.

they are on amazon for ~16-18 bucks. I paid 21 bucks with shipping. Hope to get it soon

Interesting. When I was searching I couldn't find them for less than $40 on Amazon and I was afraid the ones on eBay might not truly be OEM. Oh well what can you do. Sounds like I may have over paid by 10-15. I've paid more for less on things in the past

 

[Hand76]

Can't wait to get my Seidio from Amazon.

I have listened to both sides of the argument but the bottom line is the reviews.

I have yet to read one person say they were let down by the battery. That goes for all the reviews I have read on this board and from sites like Amazon where people have left feedback.

I don't care how Seidio does it, just as long as everyone is saying it's better.

And I like the fact that I don't have to change my back cover and limit myself to future accessories with Verizons own extended battery not fitting the original case.

 

[mmisterio]

Can't wait to get my Seidio from Amazon.

I have listened to both sides of the argument but the bottom line is the reviews.

I have yet to read one person say they were let down by the battery. That goes for all the reviews I have read on this board and from sites like Amazon where people have left feedback.

I don't care how Seidio does it, just as long as everyone is saying it's better.

And I like the fact that I don't have to change my back cover and limit myself to future accessories with Verizons own extended battery not fitting the original case.

Seido battery on amazon is now $54 up from $41 when I got it. Sucks for people who waited too long

 

[zemerick]

...the only way it isn't is if you didn't condition the battery correctly when you first bought it.

It should be pointed out, you aren't conditioning the battery, but the phone. The phone needs to learn the upper and lower bounds of the battery and the discharge rates.

The same goes for the stock and OEM batteries btw. If you are getting less than about 12 hours heavy use, 24 hours medium use and about 48 hours light use then your phone has not adjusted to the battery, or you might have a dud battery ( It happens. )

NOTE: I'm not saying anything good or bad about Seidio or any other battery in this. I'm saying that is the times to expect, roughly, from the stock battery. If you're getting less, don't blame the battery just yet. Give it a few complete cycles ( All the way down to phone shutting off...not just when it says it is lower on power. )

 

[computerpro3]

Some more info regarding batteries, all which backs up my stance that you can't cram significantly more power into the same size envelope. Also figured out why HTC used the 1300ma battery instead of the 1500ma.

I have both a TP2 and the Incredible, meaning I have both batteries. I decided to to an interesting comparison:

First, I noticed that the TP2 battery is actually physically bigger than the DI battery. It's about a half a millimeter taller. This is why HTC chose the slimmer battery - the TP2 battery actually flexes the back cover of the DI a MINUSCULE amount when you go to snap it in place (nowhere close to the amount that would hurt the phone). Technically, the DI battery is a better fit (however you'd never notice once the back is on).

Also, that .5mm difference is more significant than it would appear - the TP2 battery has more internal volume as well as it does not have rounded edges or corners.

Next, I weighed the batteries on my precision scale:

DI - 33g
TP2 - 32g

Seeing as how this doesn't make sense, I examined the batteries closer - the DI battery has even less internal volume than it would appear due to the metal casing, which is what makes it weigh more. The TP2 battery has a very thin plastic casing, which is obviously less dense but thinner. I suspect that the DI battery has a metal casing to improve the structural rigidity of the phone, it being so thin and the battery compromising such a large portion of the back of the phone. Obviously though, this leaves less room for the lithium polymer gel.

Once again, all evidence points towards my previous assertions, and explains the 1500ma of the TP2 to the 1300ma of the DI.

What would be really, really interesting for me is to see if someone with a Seido battery could weigh it and compare it physically to a TP2 battery and DI battery.

 

[kyle1745]

While I agree many companies exaggerate their batteries performance, material quality also come into play.

So while the 1750 may not be a true 1750, its clear that many people are getting better results with it. Now I would suggest these people did not run the original battery long enough to get past the "new toy" phase.

 

[rdalecki]

If people are experiencing better performance with the Seido 1300ma battery over the HTC 1300ma battery, is it possible that HTC is having trouble with quality control in the factory? Sorry if that doesn't make sense. I'm trying to follow the logic here and that thought accrued to me. Please explain gently if I'm way off on this.

 

[michaelkahl]

Amazon list my delivery date as May 6th. I ordered mine the morning of the 30th.

 

[zemerick]

If people are experiencing better performance with the Seido 1300ma battery over the HTC 1300ma battery, is it possible that HTC is having trouble with quality control in the factory? Sorry if that doesn't make sense. I'm trying to follow the logic here and that thought accrued to me. Please explain gently if I'm way off on this.

The Seidio is rated at 1750, so it SHOULD get better battery life ( 30% better. )..OEM usually have higher quality than 3rd party though. So a 1300 OEM battery would possibly outperform ( slightly ) a seidio 1300. The difference should be fairly minimal though unless the 3rd party is using extreme circumstances for it's ratings. ( Cooling the battery for one )