Apple iPad 3 launch => Android win? Apple win?

[A.Nonymous]

True, some good points. However, if I owned a Prime, I would sure be pissed. Each model they put out is bigger and more spec'd out then the last. At least Apple only does that once a year. It would piss me off to no end if I bought a brand new tablet for $600 and two months later the same company releases one with better specs and I couldn't return or exchange it. Thats a big middle finger to their customers IMO. However, these companies don't care about their customers. They are only concerned with trying to one up Apple. So who cares if some sucker just spent $600 on a tablet with inferior specs that won't be updated to the new OS, they got their money and a little more of a marketshare right?

Why would that piss you off? I don't understand that. I bought the OG Galaxy Tab 7" 2-3 months after it came out. It was woefully outdated a few months after that. Honestly, I don't care. I use it all the time. It is still the same size it always was. It's still ultra portable. It still runs the apps I need to run without any issues. It's running GB and it's never going to be updated ever. I don't care. It still does what I want to do with it without any major issues. Why should I complain? My only beef with it is that more and more apps don't run on it. The market says my device isn't supported. I'm not sure if this is because of the age or the size of the device though. I've found many of those apps do actually run if I side load them.

I also own a Transformer Prime. I'm still in the honeymoon phase with it and may end up selling it because the colors on the screen don't seem to pop the way the colors on the Tab do. The fact that the hardware will be outdated in 3 months doesn't matter to me. If the device stopped working altogether and was unsupported in three months, that's a big deal, but that's not the case.

 

[IOWA]

Eh, looking at the posts it just seems psychotron is just here to get a rise out of people because he has nothing better to do. Don't let him get to you.

 

[A.Nonymous]

Eh, looking at the posts it just seems psychotron is just here to get a rise out of people because he has nothing better to do. Don't let him get to you.

 

[lunatic59]

Here it comes again ... you knew it would, but I guess I have to say it anyway?

Let's keep it on topic and not make it personal please?

 

[IOWA]

Here it comes again ... you knew it would, but I guess I have to say it anyway?

Let's keep it on topic and not make it personal please?

Just trying to keep people from over reacting to him like some other infamous previous members. The best solution is to not let them get under your skin =D

 

[Bnice]

True, some good points. However, if I owned a Prime, I would sure be pissed. Each model they put out is bigger and more spec'd out then the last. At least Apple only does that once a year. It would piss me off to no end if I bought a brand new tablet for $600 and two months later the same company releases one with better specs and I couldn't return or exchange it. Thats a big middle finger to their customers IMO. However, these companies don't care about their customers. They are only concerned with trying to one up Apple. So who cares if some sucker just spent $600 on a tablet with inferior specs that won't be updated to the new OS, they got their money and a little more of a marketshare right?

So Apple puts out one device a year and can't get it right? The only thing the new ipad has going for it is the screen resolution, imo the prime is a better buy.

Some Users Seeing Poor Wi-Fi Reception on New iPad - Mac Rumors

 

[Covart]

So Apple puts out one device a year and can't get it right? The only thing the new ipad has going for it is the screen resolution, imo the prime is a better buy.

Some Users Seeing Poor Wi-Fi Reception on New iPad - Mac Rumors

I'd like to know what Apple didn't get right? I don't expect any manufacturer to have 100% accuracy, especially on a product that sells 10's of millions. Is the Prime a better buy? What makes it better?

 

[Yeahha]

I'd like to know what Apple didn't get right? I don't expect any manufacturer to have 100% accuracy, especially on a product that sells 10's of millions. Is the Prime a better buy? What makes it better?

He linked an article that highlights there are reports from owners of the new iPad are having wifi issues which would be something they didn't get right. Which some could say is a pretty big issue on a product that has sold 10's of millions...

I don't see where he claimed the Prime is a better buy...it may be better for some users and it could just boil down to personal tastes.

 

[Bnice]

I'd like to know what Apple didn't get right? I don't expect any manufacturer to have 100% accuracy, especially on a product that sells 10's of millions. Is the Prime a better buy? What makes it better?

When I compare the two, the Prime gives you more value for your money. The only thing the ipad has on it is the screen resolution.(micro sd card,hdmi,8mp rear, 1.2 front, 12 hours battery life,32GB $499 and this is with out the keyboard.

 

[psychotron]

When I compare the two, the Prime gives you more value for your money. The only thing the ipad has on it is the screen resolution.(micro sd card,hdmi,8mp rear, 1.2 front, 12 hours battery life,32GB $499 and this is with out the keyboard.

Someone touting the Prime bashing the iPad for wifi issues? LOL, oh the irony...The wifi problem is so bad and effects so many Primes that Asus had to make a new model, the Infinity. People on this very board have made petitions to try and force Asus to fix the wifi issue which they don't seem willing to.

 

[mikedt]

Again? Really? The Kindle is hardly an Android device.

Don't you mean "The Kindle is hardly a Google device."?

That would be like calling the iPad a Samsung device because they made the screen. Amazon was blocking the Market up until a few months ago, you still have to root it to get it,

Amazon has their own Amazon Appstore, can't see why they would want give the Kindle a rival's app store.

they don't mention Android anywhere in their advertising and its a VERY skinned and watered down version of Android.

So, Amazon probably wants to do their own thing, push their branding and version of Android and NOT Google's version of Android.

 

[Bnice]

Someone touting the Prime bashing the iPad for wifi issues? LOL, oh the irony...The wifi problem is so bad and effects so many Primes that Asus had to make a new model, the Infinity. People on this very board have made petitions to try and force Asus to fix the wifi issue which they don't seem willing to.

I'm just pointing out that Apple is susceptible to issues and problems just like any OEM.

 

[Stuntman]

True, some good points. However, if I owned a Prime, I would sure be pissed. Each model they put out is bigger and more spec'd out then the last. At least Apple only does that once a year. It would piss me off to no end if I bought a brand new tablet for $600 and two months later the same company releases one with better specs and I couldn't return or exchange it. Thats a big middle finger to their customers IMO. However, these companies don't care about their customers. They are only concerned with trying to one up Apple. So who cares if some sucker just spent $600 on a tablet with inferior specs that won't be updated to the new OS, they got their money and a little more of a marketshare right?

Well, I must say that I bought my Eee Pad Transformer last August and even with the Prime and new iPad out and with the Infinity coming out soon, I am not pissed off. I don't see how not having the latest and greatest specs some time after you bought a device is going to make the device function any worse than the day you bought it.

 

[mikedt]

True, some good points. However, if I owned a Prime, I would sure be pissed. Each model they put out is bigger and more spec'd out then the last. At least Apple only does that once a year. It would piss me off to no end if I bought a brand new tablet for $600 and two months later the same company releases one with better specs and I couldn't return or exchange it. Thats a big middle finger to their customers IMO. However, these companies don't care about their customers. They are only concerned with trying to one up Apple. So who cares if some sucker just spent $600 on a tablet with inferior specs that won't be updated to the new OS, they got their money and a little more of a marketshare right?

Are you ever pissed when you buy a laptop and a few weeks later the manufacturer releases a newer slightly better specced one?

TBH the only way I would be pissed was if my current laptop, cellphone, tablet, whatever stopped working after a few months and the manufacturer wouldn't honour the warranty.

I'm not one of those that must have the latest and greatest all the time. My Samsung Galaxy S is coming on for two years old now, still works great. Probably change it for a spetter specced Samsung when the current one breaks, wears out or ceases to be useful.

 

[psychotron]

A few interesting new articles

Will Google Race to the Bottom with a $150 Nexus Tablet? | Techland | TIME.com

Why there aren’t more Android tablet apps, by the numbers | ZDNet

Is Fragmentation Making Android Devs Jump Ship?

Android app apathy: Why developers still aren’t smitten with Android

Google Nexus Tablet: Can $150 Android Tablet Beat The Apple IPad? - International Business Times

 

[mikedt]

A few interesting new articles
Why there aren’t more Android tablet apps, by the numbers | ZDNet

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There are tablets running Snapdragon processors, and others using Nvidia Tegra processors. Code has to work on all of them, making both the development and support costs much higher than for the single iPad.

Shouldn't make any different should it, they're both ARM based processors. Anyway Android code is written in Java, whatever CPU is in the thing should be irrelevant, as long as it can execute fast enough for whatever the app does.

Rather like saying the development costs for PCs are much higher than for Macs, because PCs can have Intel, AMD, VIA or whatever CPUs whereas Macs only have Intel CPUs. They're all x86 compatible, same code runs on all of them.

 

[Stuntman]

I'm just pointing out that Apple is susceptible to issues and problems just like any OEM.

That is true. Over at the MacRumor forums, people have been reporting various issues as well such as overheating.

 

[viber]

I disagree. Just look at the phone market. Android phones are cheaper in general than the iPhone. Yes, you have a handful of "hero" phones that are identically priced, but for the most part, you can get a good quality Android phone for less than the iPhone. Consequently, Android rules the phone market as far as market share goes and OEMS making Android phones are making money doing it. Amazon has proven that they can make money selling a discount tablet.

Let's say it's 5 years from now. You go down to the store to look for a tablet and you've got the iPad, a handful of premium Android tablets in the same price range as the iPad and then you've got lots of $200-300 Android tablets to pick from that are good quality and have a decent experience, I think those lower tier tablets are going to take sales away from the iPad. However, I still think on a strictly profits level that the iPad will make the most money in the market sector even though it won't sell the most devices.

Phone are subsidized, tablets generally are not. Also tablets are "luxury" items, while phones are a debatable necessity, so using phones is not a good analogy.

The lower tier tablets, if anything, will act as a staging ground for future iPad sales once people realize cheap tablets don't have the features, the apps, or experience they are looking for.

Also, I think Windows 8 tablets are basically going to knock android out the tablet game and take the number 2 spot very quickly.

 

[psychotron]

Quote:

There are tablets running Snapdragon processors, and others using Nvidia Tegra processors. Code has to work on all of them, making both the development and support costs much higher than for the single iPad.

Shouldn't make any different should it, they're both ARM based processors. Anyway Android code is written in Java, whatever CPU is in the thing should be irrelevant, as long as it can execute fast enough for whatever the app does.

Rather like saying the development costs for PCs are much higher than for Macs, because PCs can have Intel, AMD, VIA or whatever CPUs whereas Macs only have Intel CPUs. They're all x86 compatible, same code runs on all of them

Wrong.

Still, Nvidia hits back with an argument from the software side of things.*Many of these SoCs find their way into Android handsets, and according to Nvidia, Android assumes certain things about a multi-processor system. Android schedules work on different cores with the assumption that they are all running at the same frequency. Therefore, it‘s possible that an aSMP system could encounter scheduling conflicts where a core is assigned too much work for its current frequency.

How Snapdragon S4 and Tegra 3 manage ARM cores differently | ExtremeTech

http://ancillotti.hubpages.com/hub/...een-the-Hummingbird-Snapdragon-OMAP-and-Tegra

 

[mikedt]

Wrong.

Still, Nvidia hits back with an argument from the software side of things.*Many of these SoCs find their way into Android handsets, and according to Nvidia, Android assumes certain things about a multi-processor system. Android schedules work on different cores with the assumption that they are all running at the same frequency. Therefore, it‘s possible that an aSMP system could encounter scheduling conflicts where a core is assigned too much work for its current frequency.

How Snapdragon S4 and Tegra 3 manage ARM cores differently | ExtremeTech

http://ancillotti.hubpages.com/hub/...een-the-Hummingbird-Snapdragon-OMAP-and-Tegra

Shouldn't the compiler, IDE or whatever be taking care of this kind of thing?

 

[EarlyMon]

That's Nvidia propaganda.

The Qualcomm processors used in HTC phones and others are clocked asynchronously, and well-served with custom aSMP kernels.
That feature alone is what I like about the Qualcomm S3 and it's being aggressively supported by the custom kernel community that endorses that design as well.

And neither the S3 nor S4 SoCs use ARM cores.

Qualcomm is to ARM as AMD is to Intel processors - similar, same instruction sets, but not the same.

Blogs get this wrong constantly.

When not needed, an S3 will simply shut down one of its cores, and when needed, the two cpu cores will run at different speeds as demanded.

In fact, the cornerstone of ICS is an improved task manager for multicores, so I see this whole thing as advancing, not slipping into chaos.

 

[EarlyMon]

And yes, all Android apps, whether written in Java or the less common native code, run in the Dalvik Virtual Machine part of Android, and all use common Linux services.

Properly designed, Android apps are quite platform independent within the Android family of Google-approved devices.

Apps designed with multiple threads (a software construct that allows better conceptualization of some solutions) will distribute across available cores as dictated by Linux foundations of Android, provided the developer followed Google's rules for threading.

Nothing extra is required of the IDE, compiler or programmer. And it's why apps didn't need to be invented to support dual cores when that first came to Android. It just worked.

 

[jonmorris]

I'm just pointing out that Apple is susceptible to issues and problems just like any OEM.

Tell me about it. I've had a number of products from Apple affected by battery problems, and my iMac has marks behind the glass - similar to one of my old work machines.

Apple can sometimes fix things with software updates (like slowing things down if it causes a heat problem for example), and the sheer number of patches only goes to show how Apple has become more like Microsoft in recent years for having to release updates to address problems - from iOS to OS X.

Since 10.7 OS X, I've had loads of Wi-Fi related issues and even the latest dedicated patch doesn't stop Wi-Fi dropping out for a split second, which can cause problems with downloading and video streaming.

I accept bugs as par for the course these days, but since we got high-speed Internet and OTA updating, many companies have become extremely lazy because they know they can let something out of the factory with problems and fix them later. It's a shame Apple has become one of them.

 

[Bnice]

As usual Google is continuously improving the Android integration for users and developers.

With Linux merge, expect Android flowers to bloom | Deep Tech - CNET News

 

[psychotron]

As usual Google is continuously improving the Android integration for users and developers.

With Linux merge, expect Android flowers to bloom | Deep Tech - CNET News

Thats great. Now if they could just update my S2 with ICS thats been out for what? Oh 5-6 months now, that would be swell. How about before you release the next OS my phone will never see? Thanks Google. What happened to that BS they spouted off a year ago about forcing carriers to update their phones in a timely manner? Anyone remember this?

http://androidandme.com/2011/05/unc...ers-and-carriers-to-speed-up-android-updates/