Apple iPad 3 launch => Android win? Apple win?

[Yeahha]

IMO it isn't a complete mess. Yes there is fragmentation but that doesn't mean it is a mess and there is fragmentation elsewhere too...An iOS device may get put on the most current version of the OS but likely you won't get all the features of the new OS unless you upgrade to the newest device take Siri for example only available on 1 device and it was the "big" thing Apple hyped for the 4s because it doesn't work on the 4 or 3GS...

 

[Covart]

IMO it isn't a complete mess. Yes there is fragmentation but that doesn't mean it is a mess and there is fragmentation elsewhere too...An iOS device may get put on the most current version of the OS but likely you won't get all the features of the new OS unless you upgrade to the newest device take Siri for example only available on 1 device and it was the "big" thing Apple hyped for the 4s because it doesn't work on the 4 or 3GS...

yes, fragmentation exists in iOS. Right now it takes me 2-3 the level of effort to create a status bar battery tweak. Got to have different pixel sizes and file names for legacy ipods and iphones, new retina display iphones and ipads.

But the Siri deal, was strictly an Apple push. Siri works just fine on A4 chipped devices like the iPhone 4 and iPad 2, and even 3GS owners say it is fine. I have a jailbroken ip4 and use Siri via a proxy all the time. Siri was nothing more than an insurance policy for Apple to get people to buy the 4S. They needed something new you could see or hear to differentiate it from the 4.

 

[Yeahha]

yes, fragmentation exists in iOS. Right now it takes me 2-3 the level of effort to create a status bar battery tweak. Got to have different pixel sizes and file names for legacy ipods and iphones, new retina display iphones and ipads.

But the Siri deal, was strictly an Apple push. Siri works just fine on A4 chipped devices like the iPhone 4 and iPad 2, and even 3GS owners say it is fine. I have a jailbroken ip4 and use Siri via a proxy all the time. Siri was nothing more than an insurance policy for Apple to get people to buy the 4S. They needed something new you could see or hear to differentiate it from the 4.

But to make siri work you have to jailbreak I was speaking about stock...Apple didn't do it for you stock. Your statement about the insurance policy is what I was trying to say. Basically Apple coming up with a way to make people "need" to upgrade their phone instead of using the one they already have.

 

[Covart]

But to make siri work you have to jailbreak I was speaking about stock...Apple didn't do it for you stock. Your statement about the insurance policy is what I was trying to say. Basically Apple coming up with a way to make people "need" to upgrade their phone instead of using the one they already have.

completely understand where you are coming from. guess i was just being a bit more specific. i realize that i am not the normal Apple buyer, as i jailbreak and mod all my devices from Apple, including computers, but to me, a stock iphone or ipad is just not worth having. Way to restrictive. We all know why Apple does this and it works well for over 90% of the iDevice user base, but I am willing to bet Android and iOS rom loaders/jailbreakers/rooters have more in common with each other, than not, and absolutely-positively-need to customize our electronics to the way we want, not the way the manufacturer tells us.

Now, time to go stick CM9 and ICS onto my Touchpad. Can't wait to mess with it and see how it works!

edit: made a mistake on my lastpost. called the ipad2 an A4 chipped device. It is an A5 chip. The original ipad was a4. Dont want an Apple elitist to come in here calling me out for a simple mistake.

 

[EarlyMon]

Siri was an app that many ran on the iP4. They pulled it, improved it, then bundled it with the iP4s, where they claimed that the new phone was required to run all of that Siri goodness.

Interesting that charges are levied at Google only.

And I am positive that everyone is getting fed up having to explain that makers update the Android, and that only the GSM Nexii are developer models, able to get the updates the fastest. Nexii with CDMA, WiMax, and LTE radios take longer. We knew that before the Nexus released.

One more rehash of the obvious about who updates what, after pages of the same, will result either in this thread being locked or a restraint on forum access for the cause.

This has degraded to the level of trolling and cheerfully is hereby at an end.

 

[EarlyMon]

I've read that the Win8 mobile stuff has been edicted to run on ARM instruction set architectures only, with a bootloader lock that would make Motorola proud. I know Microsoft has specified that, but I don't know if that will change in light of Intel's push into mobile Android. That may impact the transition of desktop apps to mobile, but I think we'll have to see what the truth is in the coming months.

I also think that Android rooters and iDevice jailbreakers have something fundamentally important in common.

 

[EarlyMon]

Looks like I've ninja'd a few folks with my rehash ends announcement. Sorry I had to delete any follow on, nothing personal, ok?

 

[psychotron]

As usual, the whole hot iPad thing was overrated....

Not So Hot: New iPad Heat Levels Comparable to Android Tablets | PCWorld

 

[Bnice]

No it is not a matter of overrating, every product Apple release has problems period. Heating is just one of many.

Six problem that the new iPad has - Yahoo! News India

 

[EarlyMon]

A few things -

Per above, no more rehashing who delivers updates. Everyone knows.

And, just saying, maybe no need to respond to a certain element in this thread, it seems that someone is on vacation and can't respond now.

Cheers, thanks.

 

[viber]

Microsoft has a huge war chest, access to Nokia hardware, and a need to win in the mobile device market. If their management gets it together on what really works for people and what we all want, this market could change so fast our heads will spin. Just like when we laughed when the XBox first came out.

In my opinion.

It's a sound opinion as well. Not to say Microsoft always wins, because the Zune proves otherwise, but they do learn fast as the Xbox 360 shows.

It wont take long for every nearly every new PC sold to come with Windows 8 installed which will feed their tablet market, which will feed their phone market, which will feed their Xbox 720 market. It's all interconnected now. That's a lot of muscle to contend with for android.

 

[Bob Maxey]

I do agree with what you are saying. However, there are LOTS of people out there that are going to buy it because it says Apple on it.

And some of us will buy it because it is a superior tablet.

And some of us will purchase an android tablet because it says Android on it.

Wait until the sales figures arrive before you declare the winners and losers.

 

[A.Nonymous]

And some of us will buy it because it is a superior tablet.

And some of us will purchase an android tablet because it says Android on it.

Wait until the sales figures arrive before you declare the winners and losers.

I've been playing with a Transformer Prime for a week and I don't know that the iPad is a superior tablet. That's an argument for another thread though.

I do agree with you that sales figures are the ultimate determinate of who the winners and losers are.

 

[Covart]

I've been playing with a Transformer Prime for a week and I don't know that the iPad is a superior tablet. That's an argument for another thread though.

I do agree with you that sales figures are the ultimate determinate of who the winners and losers are.

well, I am siting here typing on my CM9 modded ICS Touchpad, and learning the ropes of Android. took me a while to find a good keyboard and browser. seems likeDolphin is the best.
but for the price of $0, i have to say, I have the best Android tablet in the world! okay, the Touchpad 32gb cost me $149 during the firesale, but now that I have Android on it and WebOS, totally worth it. and cost me less than a Kindle Fire.

in the end though, my jb ipad2 still kicks arse and is still the #1 tablet out there... at least for now.

 

[kct1975]

It's not a failed launch yet, but it certainly isn't as inspiring as previous releases. But this seems to be the trend with Apple going back to the iPhone 4s. Alot of the technology has surpassed them, but they are an amazing marketing company and have made their devices fashion statements. Anyone that truly looks at the capabilities of the iPhone 4/4s versus any of the top Android devices will see that Android dominates Apple devices. Yet, Apple devices still sell like hot cakes. But, nothing new to me in the "new" iPad, just like nothing new with the 4s.

Yeah, I finally got to see an iPhone 4S up close and honestly was underwhelmed. The screen was smaller than my HTC EVO 4G. And, except for Siri, it had the same functionality.

 

[Covart]

Yeah, I finally got to see an iPhone 4S up close and honestly was underwhelmed. The screen was smaller than my HTC EVO 4G. And, except for Siri, it had the same functionality.

i never know what to say when people say this? the iphone is a smartphone, like any other smartphone. the retina display, photo quality and siri are really the only differences between this and whatever other high end Android phone on the market, but even then, those Android phones offer something similar. Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt Samsungs super duper olem unobtanium screen very similar to the retina display? And with 4g on the way for iphones, the only real Differences between phones will come down to the OS of choice. That said, maybe the iphone 5 will surprise a lot of us in the looks department. It was the last project Jobs worked on before his death.

As an example, Some people hate this photo of a concept, but I would snap this up in a heartbeat if Apple did make it. i really like it:

 

[jonmorris]

As usual, the whole hot iPad thing was overrated....

Not So Hot: New iPad Heat Levels Comparable to Android Tablets | PCWorld

So what if any Android tablets get too hot too? That doesn't make it any more acceptable.

As processors get more powerful, it's always going to be the case that things run hotter (that's why so much power gets sapped from the batteries). My iMac gets almost too hot to touch, and so did my old MacBook Pro.

Even my MacBook Air gets extremely hot under load, but I don't put it under load very often as my main reason for owning one is to have exceptional battery life. I therefore control what apps I run when not on mains power wherever possible.

On my smartphones (whether it's iOS, Android or Windows Phone) I also have to do the same - and so I'd imagine will a lot of iPad owners. It's fine to demo how powerful some games can be, but they'll absolutely cane the battery. Add in the extra heat and a lot of people will just adapt their usage.

Wouldn't you? Apple has quoted battery life similar to that of the original iPad 2 - which is commendable, but not when running that hot.

 

[jonmorris]

Is anyone still using Siri? Surely the novelty has worn off by now?

I've been in the industry since the start of the 1990s and have seen, and used, a variety of voice based services - some with simple recognition of a pre-recorded phrase, to more clever systems that have grown to become like Siri - including the stuff Google has offered for some time.

There seems to be little evidence that any of them have ever really made it big time - either from poor reliability, to the fact that people are now used to being more discreet with communication. We seldom make voice calls now, favouring email, IM, SMS etc - why would we stand around talking to our phones in public to ask questions?

So it usually comes down to voice control when you're driving, which is a somewhat limited usage scenario and probably not one Siri is best suited for. Once you get into a car, surrounding noises can affect the reliability and if you're not alone, you get back to the whole privacy thing (or at least not wanting to annoy fellow passengers).

Voice control seems like the answer to a question nobody asked, in my humble opinion.

 

[A.Nonymous]

i never know what to say when people say this? the iphone is a smartphone, like any other smartphone. the retina display, photo quality and siri are really the only differences between this and whatever other high end Android phone on the market, but even then, those Android phones offer something similar. Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt Samsungs super duper olem unobtanium screen very similar to the retina display? And with 4g on the way for iphones, the only real Differences between phones will come down to the OS of choice. That said, maybe the iphone 5 will surprise a lot of us in the looks department. It was the last project Jobs worked on before his death.

When I briefly had the HTC Rezound, I thought the screen looked way better than the 4S. There are definitely screens out there that are better or at the least comparable.

The iPhone 5 interests me just to see what Apple puts into it. They got 4G in the iPad by adding a massive battery. Can they do that in a phone? I dunno. Will they had a bigger screen or stick with the 3.5" that just looks tiny nowadays compared to any Android phone.

 

[jonmorris]

There's going to be some more controversy for the new iPad in the coming days/weeks, although I can't say much more at the moment.

A number of game developers are currently expressing concern about the new iPad relating to the processor and heat.

As has been documented already, the new iPad can run very hot under full load. In some tests, the battery even drains while being charged as the current drain is higher than the power being supplied!

Developers are finding themselves forced to impose restrictions on what they can do for the new iPad, to try and avoid the problems they're encountering. They are, quite rightly, frustrated.

I don't think these problems are going away anytime soon. The only problem is that I don't think many developers will agree to go on the record to say this. Doesn't make the problem any less serious though.

 

[Stuntman]

And some of us will buy it because it is a superior tablet.

And some of us will purchase an android tablet because it says Android on it.

Wait until the sales figures arrive before you declare the winners and losers.

I've already declared which is the winner for me. It doesn't matter if 99% of the world buys tablet A. If tablet B does things that I need better than tablet A, then I will declare tablet B the winner.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I've already declared which is the winner for me. It doesn't matter if 99% of the world buys tablet A. If tablet B does things that I need better than tablet A, then I will declare tablet B the winner.

Then I must declare the Prime the winner therefore invalidating your declaration. Take that!!

 

[Covart]

I've already declared which is the winner for me. It doesn't matter if 99% of the world buys tablet A. If tablet B does things that I need better than tablet A, then I will declare tablet B the winner.

that kind of thinking is way to logical. Sorry, I couldn't understand it.

 

[eelpout]

...
As has been documented already, the new iPad can run very hot under full load. In some tests, the battery even drains while being charged as the current drain is higher than the power being supplied!
...

Since the big-battery ladened, newIPad (alloneword) was introduced with basically the same slow power adapter the old gens shipped with, I thought Apple would end up offering a huge power brick in the future. This makes me think its even more likely. And it'll only by another $30 out of the pocket of the iFaithful!

Of course if the newIPad limits the current draw, this could be a problem unless some kind of smart adapter can be developed.

 

[jonmorris]

The other problem with Apple's 'fix' - namely chucking in a massive battery to cope with the increased power demands (as against reducing power consumption) means that many owners are moaning that it takes 5-6 hours to charge.

Not surprising given it has a 11,000-odd mAh battery!

The future isn't simply reducing the size of the components so you can make 99% of the product one massive battery, it's reducing the consumption in the first place. Of course, if you can do both so that your massive battery lasts ten times as long, that's even better - but Apple hasn't managed to do that yet.