But windows style tablets have been around failing for years what suddenly makes consumers want a product like a windows on a tablet they have consistently shown they don't want time and time again?
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But windows style tablets have been around failing for years what suddenly makes consumers want a product like a windows on a tablet they have consistently shown they don't want time and time again?
Perhaps because of several reasons.
While their tablets never set the world on fire, there was a time when a Windows phone was already doing things that the new iPhone couldn't and that the iPhone and Android would take a few years to catch up on.
Fast forward to today - what do many here seem to prefer: a common all-Android or all-iOS device experience for phones and tablets. (Yes, some use both, but I'm not sure what that mix is.)
While many us concentrate on Android vs Apple, there's a third segment out there - the group who has tried both and is happy with neither.
Now, along comes Microsoft, promising or implying to somehow integrate your Windows experience with a generally common OS for desktops, phones and tablets (the mobile OS won't really be the desktop OS and it will have many limitations compared to Apple and Android devices, but still - think integration).
Personally, I don't think that the Windows tablet will go anywhere on this round. But then again, several years ago I didn't expect that the HTC G1 would lead the wave to supplant iPhones, either.
Microsoft has a huge war chest, access to Nokia hardware, and a need to win in the mobile device market. If their management gets it together on what really works for people and what we all want, this market could change so fast our heads will spin. Just like when we laughed when the XBox first came out.
In my opinion.
I could see myself getting a windows 8 tablet if they live up to the hype of making the desktop experience on a tablet...but I don't think it will be widely adopted to become the iPad killer it has been made out to potentially be. If it works as it has been reported to could it offer a better experience than the iPad and any android table I think so. If it cost the same or more than the iPad will it sell I don't think so.
A cogent opinion on why the Win8 tablet will be DOA - http://androidforums.com/android-lounge/508459-windows-8-vs-android-tablets.html#post4025467
Then again, if they shift to Intel mobile processors, who knows??
I agree with viber, if there's a win here, it will be driven top-down. I believe it won't happen unless the Win8 phone wins first. If it doesn't, then yes, the Win8 tablet will be DOA - again.
As for "killers" - that always cracks me up, nothing personal. I think of a killer as something that doesn't take generations to do the job.
Then again, if they shift to Intel mobile processors, who knows??
I agree with viber, if there's a win here, it will be driven top-down. I believe it won't happen unless the Win8 phone wins first. If it doesn't, then yes, the Win8 tablet will be DOA - again.
As for "killers" - that always cracks me up, nothing personal. I think of a killer as something that doesn't take generations to do the job.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
You still didn't answer the question. What has changed about your phone to make you no longer like it? Is it no longer supported by the OEM or the carrier? Has it broken in some way? What has changed?
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
I disagree with that too. Look at WebOS. That is an OS that looked really good on a tablet. It was snappy enough and was better than iOS and Android in a whole lot of ways. We all know what happened with it though. It failed because of a lack of a real ecosystem and a lack of developer support. Those are the main things I think Windows 8 tablet will need and that's why I think it'll fail.
What has changed is there is a new OS out and I am stuck with an old OS. I upgrade all my i devices first day a new OS is released, thats just how I am. Would you want to own a computer that was stuck on Windows 7 when Windows 8 was out with a whole new look, better usability and a bunch of new features not available in W7? Probably not. If you are that type then great, you are probably still using Windows 98 right? No reason to upgrade if your computer runs just fine on an old OS is there?
B2L
Android Expert
That explains why iDevices are perfect for you. I'm in no rush for my phone to be updated to ICS, I would much rather they take their time and release a stable update. I still have a computer running Windows XP and it works great, I'm not going to spend money buying an updated version if everything works just fine.
I bought the device for what it came with when I bought it, not for the updates. I only expect an update when my device has a major flaw, or bug that's hindering its use.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
To be perfectly fair, the Windows 8 is completely different from what MS has tried in the past. In the past they've tried to run XP or Win 7 without a keyboard or mouse. That just doesn't work at all. I think the idea of Windows 8 is going in the right direction with an interface that's designed for touch.
Some of us, like me, never upgrade anything on first day out.
Learned my lesson when OS X 10.2 came out and nearly bricked my iMac, along with many other folks. Took me three days on the phone with Apple support before I got it working again.
I'm very content to wait until the major bugs have fixed for upgrades to OS X, Windows, Redhat, Android...
More power to you if getting day one updates is what floats your boat. Folks like you blaze the trail for the rest of us.
I'm looking forward to ICS, but I'm simply in no hurry.
Our mileage may vary.
PS - I am sitting next to one of my Windows machines - it's running XP. I really don't care about all of the important whole new look, etc etc, available in the follow ons. Windows may have changed, but my use for that platform hasn't so it's perfectly fine. As will be my Win7 machine, running now, when Win8 comes out. As will be my existing Snow Leopard machine that I'm typing this from.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
Well, I'll state for the record that I will not be updating my Windows 7 computer to Windows 8 when it comes out. Why? Because Windows 7 works perfectly for me. It's stable. It runs all the programs I need it to run. It's not going to have support ended any time soon. There's no reason to update. What is one feature of Windows 8 that is a "must have" for you? What's the one feature that makes it something you have to have? I don't run Windows 98 because it won't run the apps I need/want to run.
I apply the same logic to everything else. One thing early adopters all have in common is that they all get burned fairly frequently. Many, many, many times I've made the mistake of updating to something because it was the latest, greatest thing and many, many times I've been burned by it. So I wait and let other people take the lumps and let them work out the bugs. Then I know whether it's something I want to upgrade to or not. I'm eligible for an upgrade to my phone right now. By your logic I should be running out and buying the Galaxy SII or the Galaxy Nexus since those are arguably the top two phones out there right now. Or at the least I should get in line to pre-order the Galaxy SIII or perhaps the Droid Incredible 3 as those are two hyped phones. Instead, I stick with my DInc2. I'll wait for those phones to come out, see what people say and then decide which I want to upgrade to or whether I even want to upgrade at all. I may stick with my Dinc2 for another year or so. It works. It's stable. It's gonna be supported. When it starts developing issues or it's no longer supported or it can no longer run the apps I need/want to run, then I'll look at upgrading. Upgrading for the sole reason of having the latest and greatest is silly to me. YMMV.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Flawed comparison. You have to pay for new versions of windows. If there was profit motive in Android upgrades, it would be a completely different ballgame.
And yeah, add me to the list of people who don't update immediately anymore. Hell, I just put ICS on my xFormer yesterday.
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Bnice
Guest
Add me as well to one of those who like's to wait. I still have my HTC EVO 4G from two years ago.
You must be a glutton for punishment then. I care about reliability of my devices. Let them get all the bugs ironed out first.
What if the computer can't run the new OS? Anyway how many ordinary users(NOT geeks) actually go out and buy a boxed copy of Windows to install on a PC? Most will probably get Windows 8 when they buy new PCs.
As for "better usability" of a new OS, we'll decide that when Windows 8 is finally released.
<Looks at the eight year old Great Wall, Pentium 4, 512MB RAM, Windows XP machine that's sat on the desk here.>
It still runs just fine. Does all the things I need to do for my work.
Well you know the old proverb...If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
I'm sitting next to a computer that runs Windows 2000 still. I rarely use it and when I do I use it to surf the web and that's about it. It works for that purpose.
Id be willing to wait for a new Android OS. A week? Sure. 2 weeks? Why not. A month? I guess so. 4-6 MONTHS while Google is already working on two updates ahead? Unacceptable.
karandpr
Android Expert
A week !! 
. Google released ICS as an Operating System for only Galaxy Nexus .For others ,the source code of the operating system was available .
Google's responsibility is patching the source code and releasing update for the operating system of GNexus
It is responsibility of the manufacturer to compile,modify the source code of ICS and release it as an operating system for that device .
It is further the responsibility of the carrier to distribute the compile OS handed by manufacturer to them As quickly as possible .
Other mobile OS are precompiled ,ready to update ,and they are just distributed
Desktop OS unlike mobile os can be used for variety of platforms so it' just buy/download and run .
. Google released ICS as an Operating System for only Galaxy Nexus .For others ,the source code of the operating system was available . Google's responsibility is patching the source code and releasing update for the operating system of GNexus
It is responsibility of the manufacturer to compile,modify the source code of ICS and release it as an operating system for that device .
It is further the responsibility of the carrier to distribute the compile OS handed by manufacturer to them As quickly as possible .
Other mobile OS are precompiled ,ready to update ,and they are just distributed
Desktop OS unlike mobile os can be used for variety of platforms so it' just buy/download and run .
A.Nonymous
Extreme Android User
You do realize that Apple is not only working on iOS 6 right now, but probably has a team working on iOS 7 as well and iOS 8 is likely being planned as well. But that doesn't tick you off. Google announcing the names of their next updates makes you upset though?
There is murkiness on how MSFT will implement Windows 8 tablet and if it will be able to draw from Windows 8 PC and legacy Windows iterations for an out the gate ecosystem advantage.
Though, I do not think MSFT intends to have 3 separate, unrelated ecosystems on a unified OS architecture. On some level I'd bank on Windows 8 tablet getting content from both Windows 8 PC and Windows 8 phone.
So in that regard it will have little on common with WebOS in terms of support.
iOS users don't sweat this kind of stuff. They know they will be supported.
The iPhone 3GS is 3 years old and got 5.1 the same day as the iPhone 4S. That level of support is unheard if in the android world.
That would be like the HTC Hero getting ICS at the same time as the Galaxy Nexus.
This is why iOS 6 is not something to get ticked off over.
Exactly. Google working two updates ahead doesnt bother me, them releasing the updates though, that's the difference. The OS we finally get updated to is old. There are brand new Androud phones still running a 2010 OS. To take your analogy a step further, it would be like Apple releasing the new iOS with the new iPhone but everyone else with older models had to wait 6 months. Would have some upset users.
Again Google doesn't release updates for anything other than the nexus phones. They just release the OS. It is up to the OEM to skin and tweak the OS and release the OTA update.
The only reason Apple is able to release updates like they do is because they make all the hardware their OS is on, if there was another hand in the pot then it wouldn't be the same.
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Bnice
Guest
Please try to read and listen to the members that are explaining to you that Google has nothing to do with when the OEM decides to update a phone.
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Bnice
Guest
Well I am a Android user and I never sweat, or worry about the phone I purchase is getting the newest update.
I am well aware of this and as I said, Google really needs to get a grip on whats happening with their product. You used to be able to get updates right away buying a Google branded Nexus phone and now even that is no guarantee. I was shocked to find out Nexus S 4G users are still waiting for ICS 4 months after its release. I thought buying a Nexus phone guaranteed you got the update as soon as its out? Now Google can't even control their own phones. As I said before, this is a complete mess.