Average Phone Storage on Your EVO?

[Drew5150]

doesn't the Incredible have an extra 8GB of Internal Storage?

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Incredible = Flash 8GB + 512MB /RAM 512MB

EVO = 1GB ROM/ 512MB RAM

that comparison is misleading... it also says the evo has no wifi, 3.5 headphone jack, micro usb port and can't capture video.

the 8gb acts as an internal sd card and should have 512 as system memory. but somehow htc has it reading 748 of internal storage. I believe this came stock with the internal storage partitioned with an ext. for internal apps2flash. and the usable internal flash storage has available 6.9 gb or something for photo's and music. unless there as been some update that I don't know about, I don't really follow the incredible.

 

[Tempusfugit]

If you actually USE more than the evo has(and by use I mean use every app on a regular basis, not 72 soundboards and video ringtones, and bonsai blast that you played once), you are not big enough of a demographic to justify the cost of more internal memory.

I have redundant media players, slacker AND pandora(again pretty redundant), games I never play, 4 camera apps that I never use, pocket legends(10 megs) and Yahoo instant messenger(10 megs with video add on and after A2SD). I still have like 160 megs. I could easily get back up over 200 if I deleted crap I don't use or have 2 of.

I know apps take like 23 seconds to DL and install, but if you haven't used something in a month, maybe its time to uninstall.

 

[lordofthereef]

Im not certain how and when any company can obtain data to support that fact. I don't discredit your statement but it seems like a give assumption on the part if a manufacturer. "nobody will ever truly need to use more than this so we simply won't provide it" seems like a bad attitude to me. Let's also be completely honest. I know companies go for the bottom line but upping the Rom here would cost mere pennies on a phone some en mass.

 

[dan330]

yes.. the cost vs benefit...

cost of more ram in phone... from 512MB to 2GB
if it cost more than $5... i will be shocked!

the benefit... many many many more sales!

 

[rkkeller]

I know apps take like 23 seconds to DL and install, but if you haven't used something in a month, maybe its time to uninstall.

I mostly agree with you but some apps can't be uninstalled and reinstalled or it defeats the purpose of them like Tango Video chat and similar apps that you just need there to receive anything even if not used a lot.

 

[Gekko]

EVO SHIFT 4G

Memory: 2GB ROM, 512MB RAM.

looks like they bumped the ROM from 1GB on the EVO to 2GB on the EVO SHIFT.

 

[dan330]

NO... i am still not sure of that...

It is getting a 2GB MicroSD card... and i think ROM.. it is referring to that i think

Wirefly has a vid comparing the shift with the orginal evo.. and they said they both have the same mem.. 1gb internal and 512mb RAM.

 

[Gekko]

NO... i am still not sure of that...

It is getting a 2GB MicroSD card... and i think ROM.. it is referring to that i think

Wirefly has a vid comparing the shift with the orginal evo.. and they said they both have the same mem.. 1gb internal and 512mb RAM.

you might be right. my info is only as good as the usually accurate and reputable sites that give it to me.

 

[Tempusfugit]

upping the Rom here would cost mere pennies on a phone some en mass.

cost of more ram in phone... from 512MB to 2GB
if it cost more than $5... i will be shocked!

You guys speak with such authority I'd swear you work in purchasing at HTC...



But if you wanna believe your phone costs $9.99 to produce, then there is also planned obsolescence to think about.

 

[dan330]

me saying that the memory ram cost difference between 512mb and 2gb.. is less than $5... one small part..of the phone.

and you can extrapolate the phone cost $9.99??

you are a very smart! to darn smart for me... i give up...
going back to potato pealing job...

 

[lordofthereef]

You guys speak with such authority I'd swear you work in purchasing at HTC...



But if you wanna believe your phone costs $9.99 to produce, then there is also planned obsolescence to think about.

It doesn't take much to come up with that cost. A (physically) tiny USB thumb drive with 4 gigs of storage on it costs $5-10, and the company is making money on it. We are talking about 4 gigs of space, which would be downright unheard of in an android phone. They shave off pennies per unit because, well, selling millions of units, a couple pennies per unit adds up. If it was't clear, we were referring to a per unit cost increase. The only reason to keep it this low is to make the bottom line as cheap as possible. I am simply saying we want more space. It would be nice to not have to worry about your storage.

It's not authority I speak with, but simple logic. I am asking HTC to quit cutting corners when it comes to storage. Hell, screw the included 8GB micro SD card. I'd rather have a bigger chunk of built in memory. I tossed that 8 gig card in favor of a 32 gig day one anyway (as I am sure plenty of others did too).

 

[Tempusfugit]

It doesn't take much to come up with that cost. A (physically) tiny USB thumb drive with 4 gigs of storage on it costs $5-10, and the company is making money on it. We are talking about 4 gigs of space, which would be downright unheard of in an android phone. They shave off pennies per unit because, well, selling millions of units, a couple pennies per unit adds up. If it was't clear, we were referring to a per unit cost increase. The only reason to keep it this low is to make the bottom line as cheap as possible. I am simply saying we want more space. It would be nice to not have to worry about your storage.

A bigger(physically), slower media costs more than 100x "pennies per gig," so obviously a smaller, faster media will cost 100x less... got it

 

[dan330]

^^^
usb drive .. cost for the case... for packaging.. shipping of packaging.. retailer to self it.. host in retail store with cost.. employees... and can sell for $10.

512mb chip that being installed on a board.
to install a different chip with 4gb on a board..
only difference in cost is the chip it self.
must be < $5 per device. (no, that does not = $10 total for a phone)

hhhhmmmm.... again.. i dont get it.. please explain to me in short sentences and small words.

 

[Tempusfugit]

lol. you're too much. Now were up to over 3 gigs of ram for 5 bucks. Memory manufacturers can't even make 3 gigs of DESKTOP memory for 5 bucks. The EVO has smaller more expensive chips. You're wrong. Get over it.

I'm out. If its so cheap go get it "upgraded with another chip" - Go find one and solder it into your board and let us know just how cheap and easy it was. I'm sure you could find someone to do it for you too for like 25 cents if you aren't up for the challenge yourself. Maybe you could find a deal and get the ROM and RAM upgraded for like 10 bucks at the same time.

 

[dan330]

yes.. you are right..

an assembly line of people with tiny little hands are soldering on these chips... you you you.. you are funny!

 

[Tempusfugit]

yes.. you are right..

an assembly line of people with tiny little hands are soldering on these chips... you you you.. you are funny!

nice redirection. I'll assume since you completely ignored the price thing you realized how completely and utterly wrong you were.

 

[dan330]

nope.. just picked a subject that you might be able to comprehend better... helping you out a little.

 

[Palmetto Fellow]

The board may not accept more memory in its present shape/configuation. Simply adding more memory is likely not practical.

Redesigning it from the Ground-Up to work with more memory is practical. Memory is cheap...but keep in mind that there are lots of different things that make one type of memory different from another.

What speed does this memory work at? Is it 1000MHz FSB? Does that term even have relevence in an Android setting?

I personally, don't think that memory is a substantial cost burden for the EVO. They could have put twice as much in, and sold it for the same price...but their profits would have been less.

Eventually, competition will FORCE them to up the ante. Capitalism will prevail over the long term. We'll get what we want, just not today...

 

[lordofthereef]

A bigger(physically), slower media costs more than 100x "pennies per gig," so obviously a smaller, faster media will cost 100x less... got it

Ok, perhaps my comparison wasn't the best. I still stand on the pennies to upgrade remark. Case in point, the EVO shift has double the ROM, and it retails for less. Sure, they cut some costs on the LCD size (although they also added a slide-out keyboard). In any case, they wouldn't have even done that if the price increase was as monstrous as you seem to be implying it will/would be.

I wish I had a production cost breakdown of these devices. I remember looking at the iPhone4's build costs and both models were under $250. The different between the 16GB and the 32GB model was around $25.

Here is an article that I found with a quick Google search. Not the best writeup, but at least it is a credible source.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20009027-260.html

 

[lordofthereef]

The board may not accept more memory in its present shape/configuation. Simply adding more memory is likely not practical.

Redesigning it from the Ground-Up to work with more memory is practical. Memory is cheap...but keep in mind that there are lots of different things that make one type of memory different from another.

What speed does this memory work at? Is it 1000MHz FSB? Does that term even have relevence in an Android setting?

I personally, don't think that memory is a substantial cost burden for the EVO. They could have put twice as much in, and sold it for the same price...but their profits would have been less.

Eventually, competition will FORCE them to up the ante. Capitalism will prevail over the long term. We'll get what we want, just not today...

This is likely closer to the reason at hand. I would like to point out that I am not saying they need/should stop production, redesign, add more storage, etc. and then start an EVO 1.1 model. What I am saying is that these companies seem to be cheaping out. Let's take the nexus S as an example. I think everyone would love to see something like that, but with an additional SD card slot.

 

[lordofthereef]

lol. you're too much. Now were up to over 3 gigs of ram for 5 bucks. Memory manufacturers can't even make 3 gigs of DESKTOP memory for 5 bucks. The EVO has smaller more expensive chips. You're wrong. Get over it.

I'm out. If its so cheap go get it "upgraded with another chip" - Go find one and solder it into your board and let us know just how cheap and easy it was. I'm sure you could find someone to do it for you too for like 25 cents if you aren't up for the challenge yourself. Maybe you could find a deal and get the ROM and RAM upgraded for like 10 bucks at the same time.

Maybe I am missing something, or maybe you are not understanding what we want. What we want is onboard storage, not RAM. My understandind is that what is considered the ROM (which EVO has 1GB of) is just a stick of solid state memory, much like that of a USB thumb drive, the Nexus S hard drive, and the iPhone and iPod touches of ALL generations. If I am misunderstanding what ROM in our Anroid phones is, please do correct me.

FWIW we are using "cheap" and "easy" as relative terms. If I were to try to hand make a cell phone that retails today for $99, it wouldn't be easy or cheap for me to do. But, relatively speaking, it would be easy and cheap for the manufacturer and they would still profit off that $99 retail handset. Telling someone to go out and see how hard it would be to hand solder the chip to their phone is an invalid arguement. By those standards, everything that requires machinery to be built should be practically priceless because we can't do it ourselves by hand.

 

[Tempusfugit]

Maybe I am missing something, or maybe you are not understanding what we want. What we want is onboard storage, not RAM. My understandind is that what is considered the ROM (which EVO has 1GB of) is just a stick of solid state memory, much like that of a USB thumb drive, the Nexus S hard drive, and the iPhone and iPod touches of ALL generations. If I am misunderstanding what ROM in our Anroid phones is, please do correct me.

dan330 was talking about RAM, and I was responding to him

 

[lordofthereef]

dan330 was talking about RAM, and I was responding to him

I guess I don't see where he mentioned RAM anywhere in his statement... (unless it was edited after me seeing it. I see a 512mb to 4GB reference, but I don't see him specifying what he is speaking about; I jsut assumed we were still on the onboard SS memory subject still. (Not trying to argue, just understand. )

 

[Tempusfugit]

me saying that the memory ram cost difference between 512mb and 2gb.. is less than $5... one small part..of the phone.

yes.. the cost vs benefit...

cost of more ram in phone... from 512MB to 2GB
if it cost more than $5... i will be shocked!

the benefit... many many many more sales!

Ya I'm done arguing too. The costs aren't outrageously high to increase it, it just doesn't outweigh the benefits. You aren't far off with ROM being pretty cheap, RAM is still expensive. Anyway, I also agree, space and planned obsolescence are as much a part or bigger than cost, I just felt you were both low on the costs by more than a bit.

 

[Gekko]

i think the bean counters do a calculation and estimate the sweet spot of need vs. demand vs. cost vs. target selling price vs. profits and they run with it.

"A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

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