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IOWA said:
Who said I was working at all? Some people are just smarter than you.

Now you hold something against people with a higher intellect than you? Why would you find it hard to repect someone who have you bested in the brain pan? Jealous much? If someone is better than you at something, don't hate them, learn from them.
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I know people who are smarter than I am. You ain't one of them.
 
I think people aren't used to someone like IOWA, who, like I believe he said earlier, actually calls people out when they deserve it. People are used to the internet being a place of 'lol ur mum' and 'f u noob'. When someone who is intellectual and logical like IOWA comes along and presents facts to void their argument, they can't handle it.

His aggressive posting style doesn't help much, but eh, I do it as well. We've had a disagreement or two, but I respect him as he's intelligent and can construct a well written argument supporting views with facts. Good to have you back buddy, don't go trollin' no mo, k?
 
Pryomancer said:
I think people aren't used to someone like IOWA, who, like I believe he said earlier, actually calls people out when they deserve it. People are used to the internet being a place of 'lol ur mum' and 'f u noob'. When someone who is intellectual and logical like IOWA comes along and presents facts to void their argument, they can't handle it.

His aggressive posting style doesn't help much, but eh, I do it as well. We've had a disagreement or two, but I respect him as he's intelligent and can construct a well written argument supporting views with facts. Good to have you back buddy, don't go trollin' no mo, k?
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Funny thing about me is, even when I have some really heated arguments/debates in some threads, I can agree with that same person(s) and have even helped (or tried to) those same people in other threads.

@hakr100

That last post was a bit counter productive. First off, the your expressed disdain for people who "know it all" (I.e. smart/knowledgeable people) shows you have an inferiority complex, brought on by who knows what circumstances.

Secondly, how do you determine smart? The standards vary greatly. I have a friend of the family who is an absolute genius with all things autotmotive/mechanical. But he doesn't understand smartphones, he can barely write an email. Does this make him less smart than another? Absolutely not. This guy can take apart cars, put them together, and even build them from scratch. (Not kits, I mean sheet metal and raw parts) in fact, his home made 1928 hudson replica was in a major motion picture, road to perdition. There is no one I have met that can one up this guy when it comes to anything mechanical. IMO, he is an absolute genius.
Just by making the assumption that someone is not smarter than you(despite prior evidence that points to the contrary) says worlds of its own. Other than political threads(which is mostly opinion anyway), I haven't shared many/any threads with you, for you to make a sound judgement. That being said, and your statement, shows a vital flaw in your logic, ergo invalidating your post completely.
 
IOWA said:
Who said I was working at all? Some people are just smarter than you.

Now you hold something against people with a higher intellect than you? Why would you find it hard to repect someone who have you bested in the brain pan? Jealous much? If someone is better than you at something, don't hate them, learn from them.
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And maybe that's true, and you are the smartest person in the world, but when you come back at people in that manner, you put them on the defensive, and that is how people get banned.
Intellegence and respect do NOT go hand in hand! To the people who don't respect you, your intellegence means nothing. One aspect of intellegence is knowing when to let go.
I'm just saying, being intellegent is of no use if you alienate the people you were put here to teach.
Too much knowledge is a dangerous thing if not used properly.
 
For example, a UPS driver who doesn't go to college makes more money than a doctor who has to go to college, medical school, training, malpractice insurance.

So who is smarter? ;)
 
damewolf13 said:
And maybe that's true, and you are the smartest person in the world, but when you come back at people in that manner, you put them on the defensive, and that is how people get banned.
Intellegence and respect do NOT go hand in hand! To the people who don't respect you, your intellegence means nothing. One aspect of intellegence is knowing when to let go.
I'm just saying, being intellegent is of no use if you alienate the people you were put here to teach.
Too much knowledge is a dangerous thing if not used properly.
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If people don't want to learn, the problem is thiers, not mine. They will be the one missing out, not me. If they are too arrogant and self cetered to not learn, that is a flaw with them, and them alone. Someone doesn't want to be informed? Fine with me. It's their loss, and not my problem. They are also the type of person who I wouldn't care if I had their respect or not, and the type of person that hold back the true potential of the human race, and quite frankly, we don't need them in this world. We need people who are going to makes our puny exstence on this planet better.
 
jamor said:
For example, a UPS driver who doesn't go to college makes more money than a doctor who has to go to college, medical school, training, malpractice insurance.

So who is smarter? ;)
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The doctor is most likely smarter than the UPS driver; it's not a certainty, given that some very smart people do not have the opportunities that others do, but to get through medical school and get a degree or two and then an internship and then continue into practice takes hard work over about 8 to 12 years and of a type that many bow out of because.. well, they're not smart enough to continue and to be successful.

Again, we're talking percentages here, not absolutes: most professional doctors, especially surgeons, are much smarter than most blue collar workers, not all.
 
IOWA said:
@hakr100

That last post was a bit counter productive. First off, the your expressed disdain for people who "know it all" (I.e. smart/knowledgeable people) shows you have an inferiority complex, brought on by who knows what circumstances.
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My disdain is for those who work hard at letting us know they think they are smart.

IOWA said:
Secondly, how do you determine smart? The standards vary greatly. I have a friend of the family who is an absolute genius with all things autotmotive/mechanical. But he doesn't understand smartphones, he can barely write an email. Does this make him less smart than another? Absolutely not. This guy can take apart cars, put them together, and even build them from scratch. (Not kits, I mean sheet metal and raw parts) in fact, his home made 1928 hudson replica was in a major motion picture, road to perdition. There is no one I have met that can one up this guy when it comes to anything mechanical. IMO, he is an absolute genius.
Just by making the assumption that someone is not smarter than you(despite prior evidence that points to the contrary) says worlds of its own. Other than political threads(which is mostly opinion anyway), I haven't shared many/any threads with you, for you to make a sound judgement. That being said, and your statement, shows a vital flaw in your logic, ergo invalidating your post completely.
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Building a car from scratch takes smarts, but it doesn't mean the builder has a super high intellect.

My intellect tells me that you are pretty good at putting together argumentative posts, and that you sometimes include URLs. That doesn't make you a holder of a high intellect, either.

What have you achieved academically and intellectually? How many degrees do you have and from what institutions? Have you got patents, publication? Are you a nationally ranked chess player? What were your GRE scores? Are you a member of any intellect-based societies? Have you built a multi-billion dollar, market-dominating company from scratch?

In Einstein's day, pure intellect was enough and usually obvious to those who mattered. Nowadays, there are acceptable if not exclusive ways to demonstrate intellectuality.

Last week, I happened to be at a major league library and stumbled onto some of the papers of Carl Sagan.

He was smarter than I am. I've seen nothing to indicate you are.
 
Frisco said:
The doctor is most likely smarter than the UPS driver; it's not a certainty, given that some very smart people do not have the opportunities that others do, but to get through medical school and get a degree or two and then an internship and then continue into practice takes hard work over about 8 to 12 years and of a type that many bow out of because.. well, they're not smart enough to continue and to be successful.

Again, we're talking percentages here, not absolutes: most professionals are smarter than most blue collar workers, not all.
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But once again, that's subjective. If the UPS driver loves what he does, and spends less time (working) than the doctor, and pulls something close to the doctors lifetime income, then i'd say the UPS driver is smarter indeed. Less time working means more time for him, his family, and whatever he wants to do to make him happy, and the things that matter most in this world to him.
 
IOWA said:
But once again, that's subjective. If the UPS driver loves what he does, and spends less time (working) than the doctor, and pulls something close to the doctors lifetime income, then i'd say the UPS driver is smarter indeed. Less time working means more time for him, his family, and whatever he wants to do to make him happy, and the things that matter most in this world to him.
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That's assuming the UPS driver wants time to spend with his family. He may hate them for all we know ;)
 
IOWA said:
But once again, that's subjective. If the UPS driver loves what he does, and spends less time (working) than the doctor, and pulls something close to the doctors lifetime income, then i'd say the UPS driver is smarter indeed. Less time working means more time for him, his family, and whatever he wants to do to make him happy, and the things that matter most in this world to him.
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Well, I'm not in disagreement with the substance of your point there, IOWA. I think I'm observing an emphasis of average I.Q., along with the drive to succeed at a very complicated endeavor.. the portion of that which we could debate has more to do with the "average I.Q." of surgeons vs UPS drivers; that could be interesting.

But those two endeavors would challenge us to explore what it takes to be a surgeon vs what it takes to be a UPS driver: surgeon wins if you look into those two trades very deeply at all, and that is most of what I'm talking about.

However, here's how to tip the argument back to the UPS side ;), there are probably plenty of UPS drivers who could, given the chance, become surgeons. Now, I know that there are probably plenty of docs who could drive for UPS as well, but I'm just showing that I certainly do not dismiss blue collar workers as all being less smart than all doctors.
 
hakr100 said:
My disdain is for those who work hard at letting us know they think they are smart.



Building a car from scratch takes smarts, but it doesn't mean the builder has a super high intellect.

My intellect tells me that you are pretty good at putting together argumentative posts, and that you sometimes include URLs. That doesn't make you a holder of a high intellect, either.

What have you achieved academically and intellectually? How many degrees do you have and from what institutions? Have you got patents, publication? Are you a nationally ranked chess player? What were your GRE scores? Are you a member of any intellect-based societies? Have you built a multi-billion dollar, market-dominating company from scratch?

In Einstein's day, pure intellect was enough and usually obvious to those who mattered. Nowadays, there are acceptable if not exclusive ways to demonstrate intellectuality.

Last week, I happened to be at a major league library and stumbled onto some of the papers of Carl Sagan.

He was smarter than I am. I've seen nothing to indicate you are.
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Since when do degrees have anything to do with intelligence? That just proves you know how to do homework. What have I accomplished? Plenty, and not really your concern. I'm more than financially stable, have a wonderful fiance, and life couldn't be better.

A mechanic of (we'll call him mike) mike's degree does make him extremely smart. The cognitive and reasoning abilities, along with the knowledge of what parts do what, the innards and outards of them, how they work, what they do, how to build them, and improve upon them speaks worlds of his engineering capabilities. He has no college credits, he has no degress. But he does have every single ase that can be had. Furthermore, pure intelligence means nothing if you can't execute and achieve results.

Your disdain for the people who make it known they have intelligence is absurd. Why shouldn't people let it be known? Why should they have to hide it from people like you who have an inferiority complex? Furthermore, I'm going to leap and say your disdain for intelligent people stems much deeper than that, in which you had a friend, family member, or other undiclosed personal relationship have the higher intellect, and wasn't afraid to show it, leaving you jealous, and developing a disdain for it in general.

Instead of feeling disdain towards these people, why not try to learn something, make yourself smarter in turn, and have an educated conversation with them instead of just saying you don't like those kinds of people? Well guess what? You better give up all your modern conviences, your cell phone, the internet, you computer, car, house, clothes, air conditioning and heating, fire, guns, shoes, refridgerators, and anything else that was invented. Becuase it was invented by the type of people that weren't afraid to show their intellect, the same people you share a disdain for.


And never played chess, I was a mathlete, have two degrees, helped build a multi million dollar family business from our garage, to which we now own a two million dollar factory/warehouse, and will rock just about anyone in RTS(real time strategy) games, which challenge the mind quite a bit more than chess.(depends on the game). Also, I have no need to join any society, and einstien has had many of his theories disproven. I am also seriously considering law school.
 
I love that question so much because there are different levels of smartness. To base someones intelligence simply on IQ isn't accurate.

IOWA made a good point about how much less the UPS driver has to work, lower stress levels, more family time, no 8 years of school bills, etc...

Yet Frisco made a good point about needing the drive and intellect to complete rigorous exams and such.

I know a software engineer that we grew up with that was brilliant but has the social skills of a 10 year old. Social skills can be a level of smartness(?) too. How can you be so smart yet so bad at something else - human nature is a tough nut to crack.

A fun topic indeed!
 
IOWA said:
Since when do degrees have anything to do with intelligence? That just proves you know how to do homework.
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Well, you just lost 10 IQ points... :)

IOWA said:
Your disdain for the people who make it known they have intelligence is absurd. Why shouldn't people let it be known?
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Wasn't I clear enough? My disdain is for those who work harder than they are smart to convince others of their intelligence.

IOWA said:
Instead of feeling disdain towards these people, why not try to learn something, make yourself smarter in turn, and have an educated conversation with them instead of just saying you don't like those kinds of people?
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I'll take away another 10 points. My disdain is not for smart people, but for those who expend a lot of energy (and typing) trying to convince others how smart they are. Remind you of anyone? :rolleyes:


IOWA said:
And never played chess, I was a mathlete, have two degrees, helped build a multi million dollar family business from our garage, to which we now own a two million dollar factory/warehouse, and will rock just about anyone in RTS(real time strategy) games, which challenge the mind quite a bit more than chess.(depends on the game). Also, I have no need to join any society, and einstien has had many of his theories disproven. I am also seriously considering law school.
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You've never played chess but...your strategy games "challenge the mind quite a bit more than chess." Did you read that in the RTS manual? Subtract five points.
 
hakr100 said:
Well, you just lost 10 IQ points... :)




Wasn't I clear enough? My disdain is for those who work harder than they are smart to convince others of their intelligence.



I'll take away another 10 points. My disdain is not for smart people, but for those who expend a lot of energy (and typing) trying to convince others how smart they are. Remind you of anyone? :rolleyes:




You've never played chess but...your strategy games "challenge the mind quite a bit more than chess." Did you read that in the RTS manual? Subtract five points.
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Ooo looks like I hit a nerve. I really don't know what's worse, you backtracking on what you said , or the fact you seem to think your some arbitrator for people intelligence based on some point system you devised.

Care to make me laugh again? Your posts are being quite counter productive. But that shares something in common with bleeding heart liberals, if facts and logic fail you, by all means try to attack and change the subject.
 
IOWA said:
Ooo looks like I hit a nerve. I really don't know what's worse, you backtracking on what you said , or the fact you seem to think your some arbitrator for people intelligence based on some point system you devised.

Care to make me laugh again? Your posts are being quite counter productive. But that shares something in common with bleeding heart liberals, if facts and logic fail you, by all means try to attack and change the subject.
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You haven't hit a nerve, you haven't convinced me you are nearly as smart as you think you are, and I see you are again resorting to name calling. Bor-ing.
 
hakr100 said:
You haven't hit a nerve, you haven't convinced me you are nearly as smart as you think you are, and I see you are again resorting to name calling. Bor-ing.
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Sure I haven't hit a nerve ? Its ok I won't tell anybody ;) thing is, I don't have a need to convince anyone of my intelligence. And the fact that you keep stressing this point means a lot more than the words you put on the screen. Do you have a need to prove your intelligence? Sure seems that way.

Care to disclose what achievements you've mustered over the years of existence? Since that seems so important to you that you had to ask?

And the biggest question, why do you care so much about your brain vs anothers on an internet forum? Eh?

Oh and btw, where is this alleged name calling?
 
Hmmm am i the only one who see's the irony of a debilitating argument/discussion that has the potential to escalate and get one or two users banned, in a thread about someone;) getting banned. Not saying that is what is going to happen or should happen. It all just seems.... well ironic



just my 2 cents
 
thats why it is so awesome, and to me it doesn't seem like the banter right now is ban worthy but im just a member soooooo yeah
 
I believe in a designated "fight club" area for forums this big with so many members (and about 1500 new per day, according to Phases).

If it is a part of the user guidelines to remain civil everywhere else in the forums, a member can call out another one on some subject with flash points and they can meet at the designated area.

Mods would have to make it clear that spill-over to other forums is cause for banning, etc.

It'll never happen here; the place as gotten along fine without such a place.

Just another $.02 worth.
 
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