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[Battery] Statistics and Reports

Should we also collect "Battery Use" Information?

  • Yes

    Votes: 111 88.1%

  • No

    Votes: 15 11.9%
  • Total voters
    126
alanchu said:
that's my next step... i was hoping to find something with juiceplotter, but no go... btw, my phone just died so 8% to dead lasted about an hour with NO use (i didnt use it at all other than pressing 'power on' to see if it's dead about 5 times).

on another note, one thing that i've been concerned with is how hot the phone runs... i can understand making an hour long call that it gets warm, but it's getting warm after 10-15 min of web-surfing... there's data on temp on juiceplotter, but phone dead now so i'll post later...
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It's normal for it to die right around the 8 percent mark. The percentage isn't until the phone will turn off, but actually the capacity left in the battery. However, Lithium Ion batteries must not go below ( I believe ) 3.5 volts or you can not re-charge them ( Well, there are ways to do it...but your charger will not work....so as far as you or I are considered, it's not possible. ) So, when the battery gets to a certain voltage, a bit higher than 3.5v ( I believe for the stock it is 3.55v ) the phone will turn itself off to stop the battery from draining.

As for getting warm, that is fairly normal when the battery is being drained ( or charged ) fast. If you went through a significant chunk of the batteries life during that 10-15 min it is normal to be warm. It's hard to say how much it would take in a certain time period to warm it up though.

Now, if it ever gets "hot", IE: It doesn't feel nice anymore, but instead start hurt a bit...then you might have a problem. Possibly a short...obviously bad for the phone, possibly catastrophic for the battery. If you've seen any of the vids of laptop batteries shooting out fire...that's from a short (and several failed safety measures that are supposed to be built into all batteries, but you get the idea.)
 
Just downloaded battery graph gonna graph my phone over the weekend. Hopefully my good expierence with battery life in a good format of whats going on can help some others .
 
alanchu said:
that's my next step... i was hoping to find something with juiceplotter, but no go... btw, my phone just died so 8% to dead lasted about an hour with NO use (i didnt use it at all other than pressing 'power on' to see if it's dead about 5 times).

on another note, one thing that i've been concerned with is how hot the phone runs... i can understand making an hour long call that it gets warm, but it's getting warm after 10-15 min of web-surfing... there's data on temp on juiceplotter, but phone dead now so i'll post later...
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Try going to Settings - Applications - Manage Applications. Find Calendar and select. Scroll down and select Force Close. I'd bet $5 this will fix your awake time issue.
 
johnperkins21 said:
Try going to Settings - Applications - Manage Applications. Find Calendar and select. Scroll down and select Force Close. I'd bet $5 this will fix your awake time issue.
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johnperkins21: i shall use that app as my first test case after my phone recharges... as for force closing it, are you referring to calendar, calendar storage, or the htc calendar widget? or all three? i would like to point out that i do have the htc calendar widget running on one of my home screens
 
rabernet said:
My Force Stop is greyed out - what does that mean? Or how do I activate it?
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I'm guessing it's because it's not running. Are you sure it's Calendar and not one of the other Calendar applications?

alanchu said:
johnperkins21: i shall use that app as my first test case after my phone recharges... as for force closing it, are you referring to calendar, calendar storage, or the htc calendar widget? or all three? i would like to point out that i do have the htc calendar widget running on one of my home screens
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Just plain Calendar. It will come back to life if you go to the widget and continue to let your phone sleep, at least for a while. Yesterday, the first time I did it, my phone was able to sleep for about 40 minutes. The second time I force stopped the calendar, everything ran perfect until this afternoon when my battery finally died and I had to start over.
 
zemerick said:
It's normal for it to die right around the 8 percent mark. The percentage isn't until the phone will turn off, but actually the capacity left in the battery. However, Lithium Ion batteries must not go below ( I believe ) 3.5 volts or you can not re-charge them ( Well, there are ways to do it...but your charger will not work....so as far as you or I are considered, it's not possible. ) So, when the battery gets to a certain voltage, a bit higher than 3.5v ( I believe for the stock it is 3.55v ) the phone will turn itself off to stop the battery from draining.

As for getting warm, that is fairly normal when the battery is being drained ( or charged ) fast. If you went through a significant chunk of the batteries life during that 10-15 min it is normal to be warm. It's hard to say how much it would take in a certain time period to warm it up though.

Now, if it ever gets "hot", IE: It doesn't feel nice anymore, but instead start hurt a bit...then you might have a problem. Possibly a short...obviously bad for the phone, possibly catastrophic for the battery. If you've seen any of the vids of laptop batteries shooting out fire...that's from a short (and several failed safety measures that are supposed to be built into all batteries, but you get the idea.)
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yeah, i only mention the end because i've seen comments on other treads that the last 15% lasted them a long while..

my phone seems to be constantly warm... more some times than others... of course, if some app is killing my battery cuz it keeps running, that would explain that...

anyway, i'll be trying some stuff out tonight to hopefully find a culprit...
 
johnperkins21 said:
I'm guessing it's because it's not running. Are you sure it's Calendar and not one of the other Calendar applications?
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Yep - it's the right Calendar. I just clicked on it to activate it and went back to the Application Manager and now the Force stop is available. Thanks! Enjoying the forums and learning new things every day!
 
I think the reason people continue to talk about this is that there has been exactly one attempt measure these claims of greater capacity, in exactly the same form factor battery scientifically. You can argue with his scientific method all you want but he is using inexpensive equipment and trying to provide the best info he can with that equipment. I also find it interesting that the oem "name brand" batteries always seem to be close to the rated capacity using his testing methodology, when the others aren't.

Doesn't it seem logical that if a Hong Kong manufacturer could so easily fit 1750 milliamps into the same space as 1300 that the Taiwanese company who builds millions of these phones could too? It would also seem to be in their best interest to do so, to stop this type of complaint before it begins...

Myself being somewhat of a cynic, and having seen knock offs of every conceivable product from gucci handbags to rolex watches coming out of Hong Kong, i have no problem believing that they would lie to sell more batteries.

The only "proof" I have seen of their capacity being higher is anecdotal, from people who have purchased them. Myself I am using aTP2 battery, but of course I have spent the last few days doing every battery life tweak I could find before changing batteries, which, Im sure skews the results greatly in the favor of the new battery.
So if you want to believe that the Seido battery somehow crams more milliamps into the same space, more power to you, but until I see another scientific, psuedo or not, study, i will believe the only one out there now...

Sorry about the typos,I am new to swype...
 
I just purchased and HTC TP2 battery and the Seidio one. I will run some in-phone comparisons and see what I get. I just need to find some benchmark apps to run repeatedly..
 
UpTime: 05:01:00
AwakeTime: 04:07:00
UnPlugged time: 05:01:00
Battery %: 19%
Wifi: Off
GPS: Off
Bluetooth: Off
Always on Mobile data: On
Sync: 2 accounts auto-syncing.



Unplugged time:
Android System: 40%
Cell Standby: 25%
Display: 17%
Phone Idle: 14%
Mediaserver: 2%
Voicecalls: 2%


Please help. :(
 
I would like to point out something that some maybe missing...

If you load 20 apps and leave them running you can kiss your battery life goodbye. This is more of a mini laptop than a phone. So for example your laptop may run for 4-6-8 hours using word, but try watching a movie or play a game and see how long it lasts. This phone is the same way.

Try out "advanced task killer free" allow it to conservatively kill apps when you lock the device and I suspect you will see some battery life improvements. If its killing something you want to stay running simply add it to the ignore list. Great app in my opinion if you take the time to set it up.

Good luck...
 
OK, I'm back. After some pretty heavy use including navigator, installing and playing some games, internet, sms/mms, and taking a few videos (uploading one to youtube) and pics I'm at 52%. It's definitely better than i would was getting with the DI battery.

I'm going to continue to condition the DI battery and see how it levels out.
 
cant wait to see your results! really want to get that 1750 i think... they non added space is so appealing to me. . . .

that or the newer OEM 2175 from verizon.

i dont think im going to be getting the 3500 from seido haha but its tempting too!! anything over this 1300
 
Dear God so much misinformation in this thread

All cell phone batteries are lithium polymer. Lithium Polymer is simply a variant of Lithium Ion - it's the same basic chemistry, simply a different construction.

Further, Lithium Polymer batteries don't have "cells" or "cell layouts". The whole battery is one cell in this case.

Third, HTC didn't increase the capacity while keeping the same physical formfactor. The TP2 battery has significantly more interior volume than the stock Incredible battery. For starters, it's .5mm higher, has straight corners instead of rounded corners, and a much thinner plastic casing vs. the metal casing required for the sake of phone rigidity on the Incredible.

If you want to go ahead and believe that Seido can work some magic (actually, it's Seido's OEM since they don't actually make the batteries) and magically fit an extra 250ma into the SAME physical space as the TP2 battery, well, I've got a magical iPad to sell you too.

The misinformation is getting so bad around here (as is the Seido and Mugen circlejerk) that I'm seriously considering buying the damn batteries and hooking them up to an analyzer on video to prove what BS their claims are.

I mean, for God's sake we have idiots on here claiming they're getting 300-400% battery life improvements WITH A BATTERY THAT IS ONLY CLAIMED BY SEIDO THEMSELVES TO HAVE 30% MORE CAPACITY!

And before someone who doesn't have reading comprehension jumps down my throat (again), I'm not saying that the Seido doesn't provide more life than the stock battery - It will. What I'm saying is that it's not going to provide more life than the $15 1500ma TP2 battery.
 
kyle1745 said:
I would like to point out something that some maybe missing...

If you load 20 apps and leave them running you can kiss your battery life goodbye. This is more of a mini laptop than a phone. So for example your laptop may run for 4-6-8 hours using word, but try watching a movie or play a game and see how long it lasts. This phone is the same way.

Try out "advanced task killer free" allow it to conservatively kill apps when you lock the device and I suspect you will see some battery life improvements. If its killing something you want to stay running simply add it to the ignore list. Great app in my opinion if you take the time to set it up.

Good luck...
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kyle1745: thanks for the advice. i actually do have advanced task killer, though not set to automatically do anything... i did try to kill almost all the apps i could this morning before my day started and only used ebuddy, internet, handcent sms, skyfire, and the camera... i've downloaded a buttload of apps, but i haven't gotten around to even trying most of them as i've been having this issue maintaining a charge for even a day...

i'm no android expert or anything on a smartphone, but i expected that if a non-standard app was causing my issues, it would show up under "battery use"... but when i checked, my use during this percipitous drop was:

Android System: 30%
Cell Standby: 27%
Phone Idle: 20%
Display: 9%
Camera: 8%
Handcent SMS: 2%
Internet: 2%
Wi-Fi: 2%

the only program that registered that was non-stock was handcent sms...

also, innocent question, but i assumed that the way the android o/s worked is that some of the programs may stay active in the background and draw minimal power, unless they're actively doing something like pulling data... that is, if i open advanced task killer and see that "fm radio" is on because it loads when you restart your phone, it's not really drawing much power since it is not in use at all... am i wrong?
 
I have emailed Seido themselves inquiring as to the rating procedures for their batteries, as well as asking for a technical explanation of the general concept of how they are able to fit so much more power in the same space as an OEM battery. I didn't ask for their "trade secrets", just a general concept.

Should be interesting to see how they respond.
 
alanchu said:
kyle1745: thanks for the advice. i actually do have advanced task killer, though not set to automatically do anything... i did try to kill almost all the apps i could this morning before my day started and only used ebuddy, internet, handcent sms, skyfire, and the camera... i've downloaded a buttload of apps, but i haven't gotten around to even trying most of them as i've been having this issue maintaining a charge for even a day...

i'm no android expert or anything on a smartphone, but i expected that if a non-standard app was causing my issues, it would show up under "battery use"... but when i checked, my use during this percipitous drop was:

Android System: 30%
Cell Standby: 27%
Phone Idle: 20%
Display: 9%
Camera: 8%
Handcent SMS: 2%
Internet: 2%
Wi-Fi: 2%

the only program that registered that was non-stock was handcent sms...

also, innocent question, but i assumed that the way the android o/s worked is that some of the programs may stay active in the background and draw minimal power, unless they're actively doing something like pulling data... that is, if i open advanced task killer and see that "fm radio" is on because it loads when you restart your phone, it's not really drawing much power since it is not in use at all... am i wrong?
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From what I have heard, you are pretty close to right with how Android works and why so many say that Task Killers do more harm than good. When you are actively using a program (ie internet) it will draw power. Once you close that and switch to a different program, it will basically freeze the first program. It does not terminate the process but it does not actively use it either (meaning that it will not use the resources that this program requires when active). I've chosen to go without a Task Killer for now but maybe I'll try one out eventually. I think the best thing is to try with and without and pick what you feel most comfortable with.
 
Test # 2
i didnt really change anything except i barely used the phone during the day, i sent maybe 20 texts and thats it, phone charged all night from about 25% left, and was completely charged at around 11am when i unplugged it this morning, at maybe 9pm i did a little bit of web surfing<15mins, weather.com app<10mins , facebook<10mins, 1 - 10 minute phone call,

oh and i did an update for 5 apps....

UpTime: 30:59:00
AwakeTime: 11:25:00
UnPlugged time: 12:43:00
Battery %: 15%
Wifi: off except 10-15 mins of internet browsing at night
GPS: Off
Bluetooth: Off
Always on Mobile data: Off
Sync: 1 gmail and weather widget every 3 hrs

cell standby 35%
phone idle 30%
android sys 21%
display 6%
camera 2%
voice calls 2%
wifi 2%
dialer 2%
 
alanchu said:
kyle1745: thanks for the advice. i actually do have advanced task killer, though not set to automatically do anything... i did try to kill almost all the apps i could this morning before my day started and only used ebuddy, internet, handcent sms, skyfire, and the camera... i've downloaded a buttload of apps, but i haven't gotten around to even trying most of them as i've been having this issue maintaining a charge for even a day...
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I don't recommend using task killers. It is better to just get into the habit of closing them yourself when you don't want them running. Task killers are like Ctrl+Alt+Del, they immediately force the program to close, and don't allow the program to clean things up ( Like memory usage, caches, etc. )

i'm no android expert or anything on a smartphone, but i expected that if a non-standard app was causing my issues, it would show up under "battery use"... but when i checked, my use during this percipitous drop was:

Android System: 30%
Cell Standby: 27%
Phone Idle: 20%
Display: 9%
Camera: 8%
Handcent SMS: 2%
Internet: 2%
Wi-Fi: 2%

the only program that registered that was non-stock was handcent sms...
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Your problem is that something simple is keeping the phone awake. Then, because all of the standard stuff sees the phone is still "awake", they run full tilt instead of conserving power. It is all of the stock stuff, running non-stop that is killing your battery, but all of the stock stuff is only running non-stop because of a bugged out app somewhere.

also, innocent question, but i assumed that the way the android o/s worked is that some of the programs may stay active in the background and draw minimal power, unless they're actively doing something like pulling data... that is, if i open advanced task killer and see that "fm radio" is on because it loads when you restart your phone, it's not really drawing much power since it is not in use at all... am i wrong?
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That depends on whether or not the app is coded (and behaving) properly. That is indeed the way it is supposed to work...but your data has shown that it isn't always the case. Sometimes when the OS asks a program if it is not being used, and ok to put things to sleep...the program just responds no, it is still in use, stay awake. It could be poor coding, or just a bug that you've ran into. Hard to say from our end. Just keep up with what I mentioned ( with the shutting down or removing 1 app at a time. ) until you find the one misbehaving. From there, you can try reinstalling it to see if a clean install works, or you might need to seek a replacement app.
 
ComputerPro3 - What's more amazing is that people are saying the Seidio 1750 is the exact same size as the stock 1300 Inc battery while the TP2 is larger. So they are packing more energy into an even smaller space than the TP2.
 
he I had and ozone and and extra battery for it i never used i upgrade to the incredible last week, and they both share the same shape battery. but one thing the ozone has a 1500mah battery size. I tryed it out and i got an extra 30-45min and that was it compared to the 1300mah in the incredible. I really tested both running net radio from 3G!
 
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