I was curious, I've seen black movie award shows, but there is no award show specifically made or named as a "white" award show, why is that? There is an award show that includes black, white, latino and all others in the normal show, why does there need to be an award show for one specific race on TV? I have a feeling that if there was an award show specifically for white people that people would have a real problem with that, but a private black award show seems to be okay for some reason. Can anyone explain this?
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Vihzel
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I believe it's more minority based and what other minorities have been able to achieve. Perhaps kind of like a pride thing? It's like how my father keeps up with what other Korean Americans have been able to achieve in the U.S. Two good examples are Pinkberry and Forever 21. We all know how much whites have been able to achieve in the U.S. (presidency is a very good example), so that's why there are no "white award shows". There are still ceilings that a lot of minority groups are trying to break through in the U.S.
I'd understand if there was to be an Asian Awards Show because well... how often do you see any asians awarded in the U.S. on TV? For me, it would be nice to see what other asian americans have done in the U.S. Unless one actually reads a newspaper in the respective languages, asian american successes tend to just go unnoticed unless it's something significant or well known enough (ex. Vera Wang).
I'd understand if there was to be an Asian Awards Show because well... how often do you see any asians awarded in the U.S. on TV? For me, it would be nice to see what other asian americans have done in the U.S. Unless one actually reads a newspaper in the respective languages, asian american successes tend to just go unnoticed unless it's something significant or well known enough (ex. Vera Wang).
I guess what I'm trying to say is that all people are equal and there are as many excellent black actors as there are white or any kind of actors that are recognized in the "normal" award show. Good actors are good actors and there is no need to separate or have privately named shows. Why can't we all just recognize talent no matter the color? Having these race only shows is (a gigantic sign that the world is still racist). If a white only show were to pop-up it would be considered something that needs to be closed down. There is a huge double-standard here that no one can argue with.
there will always be ceilings if things are divided by race, ie award shows, schools, colleges, tv channels etc etc...but if things were to really be "equal" then there should be awards shows for whites and any other race that wants it. or awards shows seperated by race. white pride anyone? try it see what happens...it's a double standard that needs to go away. cannot have it both ways and expect equality. same issues came up with affirmative action, you will never have equality with race divisions of anything.
You mean the BET Awards? I watch that.
It's usually focuses on industries that are dominated by blacks.
If they wanted to start a white awards show, I'd have no problem with it.
It's usually focuses on industries that are dominated by blacks.
If they wanted to start a white awards show, I'd have no problem with it.
well, you cannot regulate whats in peoples hearts and minds, education can help, but people cannot be forced to change. Thing is, it is not illegal to be racist. Morally, yes it is wrong, if you have a belief system that has morals, but still, to have a truly equal society you must accept those who have racist thoughts and idealology or any others you may deem wrong. You don't get to choose which ideas are allowed and which are not, in a true equal society anyway. Not many people can practice true equality. It is very hard. People are different, we are not all robots to be programmed to think and act alike. Some will never accept homosexuality, skin color, religion etc etc...
Vihzel
Destroying Balls Everyday
Personally, I would have that there are no race-central award shows.
Just have whatever award shows that encompass anyone eligible. In whatever country you're in, there will always be award shows where the majority is most prominent (for obvious reasons). I can only really use South Korea as an example (as I really only know award shows there) and it's basically only Asians who win (again, for obvious reasons).
There will always be double standards. If one is in favor of getting rid of this double standard, then he/she must be in favor of getting rid of all double standards. Which, to me, is a good thing. A common example is the white man driving a very expensive car vs. black man driving a very expensive car and... the police. Another common one is a young woman going around sleeping with a bunch of guys and being labeled as a "slut" and very "unlady-like" while a young man does the same thing and is labeled as a "stud" and no one really thinks too much of it.
Just have whatever award shows that encompass anyone eligible. In whatever country you're in, there will always be award shows where the majority is most prominent (for obvious reasons). I can only really use South Korea as an example (as I really only know award shows there) and it's basically only Asians who win (again, for obvious reasons).
There will always be double standards. If one is in favor of getting rid of this double standard, then he/she must be in favor of getting rid of all double standards. Which, to me, is a good thing. A common example is the white man driving a very expensive car vs. black man driving a very expensive car and... the police. Another common one is a young woman going around sleeping with a bunch of guys and being labeled as a "slut" and very "unlady-like" while a young man does the same thing and is labeled as a "stud" and no one really thinks too much of it.
Here's the thing, if I were to start the white movie award shows and only have white people/actors be able to win and dedicate everything to white people, we would be considered racist and people would be outside causing havok because of what was going on, but a black award show is perfectly fine and no one cares and there is no one talking about it, that seems very odd to me. Can anyone honestly tell me why there is a difference here?
Vihzel
Destroying Balls Everyday
History can influence our views and actions today. African American oppression and "black pride" is different than "white pride". Of course there are racists on both sides of the table but overall... "black pride" stems from the battles that African Americans had to overcome and was more of a unification thing (the way I view "korean pride" as well as a unity thing... well more "korean american") while one only has to look back in the past on what "white pride" represented as more of a racial superiority thing (blame it on the skin heads, rednecks, KKK, neo-nazis, etc.) Unfortunately, it would be too closely connected with "white supremacy" in our society if there was an awards show solely for whites as whites have never been oppressed as a group in US's history.
The best person though to answer that question would be a sociologist who specializes in race and history.
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Dark Jedi
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I just view it as shows like the oscars is there are just more White mainstream actors than there are of other ethnic backgrounds. So odds has it that more Whites will win more oscars than the other ehtnic people. You put 1000 blue balls in a bag and place one red one in there. You have better odds of pulling a Blue ball over a red but there is that chance of a red ball being pulled. WHere as the BET awards just does African Americans and I think they started allowing Latinos (I hop thats not a racist term) in the running. How many Whites has been in the nominations and out of that group how many won?
How about judge a person on his acting skills and not the color of his skin. THere are just as many whites and other enthic groups that has never won.
Lets look at John Wayne like a legend in the film industry and was only nominated 3 times for an oscar and won only one.
Morgan Freeman was nominated 5 times and won once. Also a great actor. So I believe they don't discriminate on color at all but for how well you acted in a movie.
Remember they have many films every year to go through and make nominations and I bet race isnt at the top of their minds. If it was no African American would of never won an oscar period. Just look up actors and the awards they been nominated and won on IMBD website. Might open your eyes a little. Many great white actors never win an oscar just like many Great African American actors never won one.
How about judge a person on his acting skills and not the color of his skin. THere are just as many whites and other enthic groups that has never won.
Lets look at John Wayne like a legend in the film industry and was only nominated 3 times for an oscar and won only one.
Morgan Freeman was nominated 5 times and won once. Also a great actor. So I believe they don't discriminate on color at all but for how well you acted in a movie.
Remember they have many films every year to go through and make nominations and I bet race isnt at the top of their minds. If it was no African American would of never won an oscar period. Just look up actors and the awards they been nominated and won on IMBD website. Might open your eyes a little. Many great white actors never win an oscar just like many Great African American actors never won one.
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Dark Jedi
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If they did they would be called racists.
Double standards... can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.
Sak01
Android Expert
Not really. The motives for a White History Month would be different.
Even so, while I understand the reasoning behind these minority award shows and stuff, I do think they're divisive in the long run. They should deal with the issues in other ways.
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Dark Jedi
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How would white history month be different? Please explain?
I'm in the group that thinks that this SHOULD be the case but sadly isn't.
Sak01
Android Expert
The difference is in the motive for setting it up even though they appear to be the same.
The black history month is supposed to be about inspiring a black community that still disproportionately underachieves compared to the rest of the population.
A white history month is suggested either to make a point in an argument against the black one or (maybe less so) for white supremacist reasons.
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Dark Jedi
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So just because of the slave issue we cant celebrate it as it would be used as an argument against African Americans? So we cant celebrate all the advances in tech, art and so many other things that whites has contributed to the advancement of not only Whites but all Ethinic groups that has enjoyed it. Just like every ethnic group has enjoied what Blacks has contributed through out history. So just because of one time in history we will be judged for eternity.
Thats a very closed minded view you have there.
Vihzel
Destroying Balls Everyday
I understand what you're saying but it's not that simple. It wasn't just "one time in history"... but many times throughout our history with the civil rights movement that was still going on until 43 years ago. Race issues are still prevalent in our society. Whites in the US wont be judged for an "eternity" because of what they've done to all minority groups but until that time comes... the media will make an enormous deal over an awards show strictly for whites. It would be really unusual also since it's already common knowledge how much white people have been able to achieve in the U.S.
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Member243850
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I personally think there should be NO ONE having special privileges like a black only award show.
The world should BAN ANYTHING to do with the colour of your skin like this black only awards thing.
We may as well bring back the "Whites Only Toilet" thingy as well while were are at it and be just as racist as before.
AND bring back the "Black Toilets Only"...
We shouldn't be allowing ANYTHING saying "Blacks Only" or "Whites Only".
We may as well bring back Apartheid because this "Blacks Only" thing really gets me going just as badly as "Whites Only"
I am sorry but I find this very unsulting.
Sak01
Android Expert
I never said anything about slavery or judging whites. Nor did I say anything about 'an argument against African Americans'. Please read my posts again.
I agree with the bolded part though. Even if the intention of inspiring underachieving, young blacks with black history months or these award things is admirable, it's still divisive because they inadvertently give importance to differences in skin colour when all it is is just a different shade of skin.
This sort of thing should not be allowed to go on anymore. Double standards, racism, allowing African Americans to have their own show as a sort of "we're sorry for slavery" or because white people achieve more, it's all bullshit. There are some fine black actors who deserve to be at a show just as much as anyone and there is no need for separation.