thanks woodstock, I tried the other ports with no luck... when I point the unknown usb device to those drivers it says they aren't for the device...
to clarify, the drivers don't install until after I run the first line in adb right?
when I plug the phone in when it's on everything looks fine in device manager using whatever default drivers windows 7 uses. Then when I run the first command the phone boots to the green android screen, then windows sees it as a different device and won't accept the drivers supplied in the first post on this thread.
probably some n00b user error but I do want to help