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Ca fire politics

ocnbrze

ocnbrze

DON'T PANIC!!!!!!!!!
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the The historic LA fires :( should be about the disaster of the fires burning here in LA. it should have no room for politics there.

so that is why i have started this thread. so i say bring on the politics here.

and again lets be civilized here. i will have the mods shut this thread down if i feel it is getting out of hand.
 
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Sure, because the Democrats haven't done anything to cause the fire risk or to hinder the response from the fire professionals.
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what are you talking about? yes budget cuts sucked and did not help the situation. but these fires happened not because of them. no matter how well you do land management, these fires would have still happened.

how are you blaming Democrats for the fires?

i do not see it. we had a once in a lifetime wind event. i have been in LA all my life and i have never faced winds over 60mph. there were winds that reach 100 mph equaling category 2 hurricane....HURICANE!!!!!!! we had fire tornandoes!!!!!!!! the land no matter how well maintained had no chance.

so tell me what Democrats did wrong? you can hate the Democrats all you want, but blame should not be put on them. blame should not be assigned at all. all we can do is be better prepared. come up with better engineering where hyrdrants will not lose pressure.

you do not hear Democrats blaming republicans do you? you know why? because we are not idiots!!!!! this disaster is not a political issue. the only reason why this has become an issue is because republicans love to blame the Democrats for everything. any way to win political points. it is pretty pathetic if you ask me. it is also because it happened in California, a blue state. if this was a red state, republicans will be asking for help rather than assigning blame and attacking the Democrats. they do this when hurricanes come rolling thru their states.

again this is only an issue because it is California. we have the 6th largest world economy!!!!! and more importantly we are a blue state who will fight against everything Trump will try to shovel.

the only fault I see from this disaster are the budget cuts to firefighters. but even if we hired more firefighters we would have still struggled to contain the fires.

so tell me what could we have done better?
 
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www.westernjournal.com

Environmentalists Permanently Halted Pacific Palisades Fire Prevention Project over a Shrub

When tallying the ineptitude of the fire preparedness in California, the case of the Braunton’s milk vetch should get some attention.
www.westernjournal.com www.westernjournal.com
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sigh....again nothing we could have done would have prevented the fires. we had an extremely wet jan of last year and a extremely hot summer. the summer dried out some of the vegetation. also the area of the Palisades is part of the chaparral landscape. the plants that grow there rely on fire to help spread their seeds. these plants are very oily for a reason. so that very wet month or so grew more of these chaparral plants which added to the fuel. does your crappy article say anything about it? nope.

would have better management of the vegetation helped.....sure. but you would have still have had a fire. and it would have most likely still have raged on because of those winds. they were blowing hot embers the size of baseballs widening the blaze. those winds ranged from 50 mph to 80 mph.....those are huricane force winds. does that article mention that? nope.

plus the fire hit neighborhoods where there were no chaparral plants to burn. you know what burned? houses? most of those houses were not design to be fire resistant. most of these house burned from within due to poor design. does your article mentions that.....nope.

your source is from a very conservative website that likes to point fingers to any blue state.....no surprise there. all it does is point blame where the blame belongs to humans living in an area that is designed by nature to burn. from the Santa Ana winds blowing down canyons to the chaparral plants that are designed to burn.

so please do not blame environmentalists for this. we cannot fight against mother nature. all we need is better planning from emergency alerts and response down to how we build houses in those regions.

we need scientists and engineers and not politicians.
 
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Fires are a natural occurrence in those regions of California. Proper management could have mitigated the impact. Arson has also been cited as a cause.

Then there's the issue of empty reservoirs and non functional fire hydrants.
 
PitCarver said:
Fires are a natural occurrence in those regions of California. Proper management could have mitigated the impact. Arson has also been cited as a cause.

Then there's the issue of empty reservoirs and non functional fire hydrants.
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"mitigated the impact"? did you not see that video i posted? did you not see those embers? no matter how well maintained the vegetation was, things will catch on fire. it has been cited that powerlines were the cause. at this point people are just assuming things. let the investigation play out. and stop pointing fingers. we do not know what the causes were yet.

and even if the reservoir was up, with so many firefighters trying to use the hydrants the pressure in them dropped. and the empty reservoirs sure would have helped, but it would not have saved the day. there just was not enough water pressure. the firefighters could not fight the fires from the air as they normally would because of the hurricane wind forces. so they had only to rely on ground crews using the hydrants for water. the number of hyrdants in use drastically dropped the pressure. that they could not fill the water tanks that feed those hyrdants fast enough. we had water to use. it was just the rate of refill was not equal to the rate that was needed to keep those hydrants under the proper pressure.

this news report from the Wall Street Journal explains it quite well.

you need to stop watching and reading right wing news, they are not telling you the whole story!!!!
 
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Well, look at it this way: The homes and businesses in that area are prone to the surrounding environment, which showed a very highly probability of brush fires.
State Farm, as a business, has to look at that information and use it to make the decision to whether or not offer coverage to those homes and businesses.
If the writing is on the wall, why would anyone want to gamble and stay living in the area?
If you were State Farm, or any other insurance company, what would you do?
It's not like no one knew about it.
If there was a home next to a volcano, would you insure it, knowing full well you're going to lose money, as a business?
Let's face it, California is just a bad area to begin with.
 
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