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Root [CDMA] Difference between Revolution S-OFF and HTC S-OFF

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Ramer84015

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Now that we have root, when HTC "supposedly" gives us an OTA with S-OFF sometime in August, besides having it "now" what are the differences? I've been on the fence since Revolution was announced. Will HTC S-OFF and installing Superuser and Busybox be the same thing, if I don't plan on a custom Rom in the near future? I'm primarily interested in wireless tether, Titanium Backup and the app (can't think of the name) that let me sync the clock with the atomic clock.
 
I don't think anything has been verified yet, but I'm betting that HTC's version will create some sort of permanent record letting them and/or Sprint know that your warranty is voided.
 
Ramer84015 said:
Now that we have root, when HTC "supposedly" gives us an OTA with S-OFF sometime in August, besides having it "now" what are the differences? I've been on the fence since Revolution was announced. Will HTC S-OFF and installing Superuser and Busybox be the same thing, if I don't plan on a custom Rom in the near future? I'm primarily interested in wireless tether, Titanium Backup and the app (can't think of the name) that let me sync the clock with the atomic clock.
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No one can answer this right now. No one knows how HTC is going to implement an "unlocked bootloader" except HTC. No one really knows how team AlphaRevX got S-OFF except AlphaRevX. So there are a lot of unknowns making a comparison impossible.

What I do know is that with the AlphaRevX+unrevoked exploit, I now have a fully rooted phone that's as fully capable as my fully-rooted Evo 4G. And I am happy.

Once HTC rolls out an official unlock, I'll see what info is revealed about the nature of that change and see if it's worth migrating over.

If Sprint really does service rooted phones now, then it stands to reason that rooting no longer voids your warranty. Therefore, even if HTC watermarks a phone with an unlocked bootloader (pure speculation to begin with), it really won't matter.

Sprint service and repair policy FACTS - xda-developers
 
novox77 said:
No one can answer this right now. No one knows how HTC is going to implement an "unlocked bootloader" except HTC. No one really knows how team AlphaRevX got S-OFF except AlphaRevX. So there are a lot of unknowns making a comparison impossible.

What I do know is that with the AlphaRevX+unrevoked exploit, I now have a fully rooted phone that's as fully capable as my fully-rooted Evo 4G. And I am happy.

Once HTC rolls out an official unlock, I'll see what info is revealed about the nature of that change and see if it's worth migrating over.

If Sprint really does service rooted phones now, then it stands to reason that rooting no longer voids your warranty. Therefore, even if HTC watermarks a phone with an unlocked bootloader (pure speculation to begin with), it really won't matter.

Sprint service and repair policy FACTS - xda-developers
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Sprint really does work on rooted phones. All those policies are accurate. I had a guy come in wanting to take the 2.3 update on his EVO 4G while rooted and I had to laugh at him though. =)
 
EVOlution3 said:
Sprint really does work on rooted phones. All those policies are accurate. I had a guy come in wanting to take the 2.3 update on his EVO 4G while rooted and I had to laugh at him though. =)
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What was your recommendation for a situation like this? RUU to remove root and then OTA? Or just flash a rooted 2.3 stock ROM?
 
novox77 said:
No one can answer this right now. No one knows how HTC is going to implement an "unlocked bootloader" except HTC. No one really knows how team AlphaRevX got S-OFF except AlphaRevX. So there are a lot of unknowns making a comparison impossible.

What I do know is that with the AlphaRevX+unrevoked exploit, I now have a fully rooted phone that's as fully capable as my fully-rooted Evo 4G. And I am happy.

Once HTC rolls out an official unlock, I'll see what info is revealed about the nature of that change and see if it's worth migrating over.

If Sprint really does service rooted phones now, then it stands to reason that rooting no longer voids your warranty. Therefore, even if HTC watermarks a phone with an unlocked bootloader (pure speculation to begin with), it really won't matter.

Sprint service and repair policy FACTS - xda-developers
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Sprint services rooted phones?!? Holy crap, I'm glad I switched to Sprint.

Not that most problems can't be fixed by restoring a NANDroid backup or reflashing, but that's besides the point.
 
when I traded in my Evo4g for the Evo 3d, I asked them on the phone if I should unroot before bringing it in, and they told me not to bother, that they didn't care if my trade in was rooted..
not sure if that was Sprints official policy, or just that particular stores policy..
 
novox77 said:
What was your recommendation for a situation like this? RUU to remove root and then OTA? Or just flash a rooted 2.3 stock ROM?
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Sprint would have me remove root and OTA, but I leave it up to the customer. If they want to flash any other rooted or custom ROM's they have to take care of it on their own. :)
 
EVOlution3 said:
Sprint would have me remove root and OTA, but I leave it up to the customer. If they want to flash any other rooted or custom ROM's they have to take care of it on their own. :)
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So it sounds like there's a difference between SERVICING a rooted phone and SUPPORTING a rooted phone. That's a good distinction to make before taking in your phone to Sprint and asking them which custom ROM they recommend :)
 
https://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084

Because unlocking the bootloader provides extensive control over the device and modifications may cause operation, security and experience issues, new devices will continue to ship locked but will support user-initiated unlocking using a new Web-based tool.

So how will this work? The Web tool, which will launch this month, requires that you register an account with a valid e-mail address and accept legal disclaimers that unlocking may void all or parts of your warranty. Then plug in your phone to a computer with the Android SDK loaded to retrieve a device identifier token, which you can then enter into the Web tool to receive a unique unlock key via e-mail. Finally, apply the key to your device and unlocking will be initiated on your phone.
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I guess that firmly ends the argument over if HTC wanted to track if you actually S-OFF or not, and it voids the warranty from HTC (at least parts of it). Makes me wonder if Sprint will be eating any costs they would have normally transferred to HTC because of their policy to fix rooted phones.

As a side note, not that it matters to us 3vo users, but I bet this unlock tool will work for all HTC models. I can't imagine they changed the encryption too much. I think they're only testing it on the various sensation/3vo models.
 
soooo - I see no reason to wait for Htc's Official Key.

Revolution works - fairly easy and you can go back S-on if you so desire....

:)
 
I keep seeing the word "may" in there. It may void all or part of your warranty. Honestly, I see the average user thinking that if he roots his phone that it can be used as a baseball in the next round robin tournament. Over clock the cpu, go ahead, over clock the memory, go ahead. Use it has a wireless router for the whole neighborhood 24/7, go ahead. Finding an app that says "turn your phone into a baseball app." He will download it, install it, hit the phone with a bat and go crying to sprint and htc about how it was defective hardware. You can not blame htc or sprint for saying sorry, but no deal. Honestly, I have seen threads here that state, dropped my phone on concrete, broke the screen, now sprint wants to rip me off a 100 bucks because they say it is user damage, what a scam. How can I get around not paying the hundred bucks for something I did to the phone? If the average user will say I broke the phone and I think sprint should pay for it, I don't see them wanting to cover rooting the phone. But once again, they said "may" void all or part of your warranty. Alright rant off.
 
Well. I did it. EVO4G gone. 3D acquired. Trade plus cash so I didn't extend my contract. I was going to wait until HTC released an unlock but it is as suspected... HTC knows (I'm sure sprint will know then, too) and it means a possible loss of any real warranty or service claims. Beyond that, will they report it to Assurion?

I've watched the community use the new exploit and read about putting it back to S-ON. I felt comfortable enough with both to know that I can return my phone to complete stock if needed and won't have an issue if I need to take it in for service since I won't be "labeled" by HTC.

If you want to root, use Alpharev/Unrevoked exploit. I did it this morning following the instrutions carefully (this isn't even close to my first rodeo) and it went off without a hitch.
 
RiverOfIce said:
I keep seeing the word "may" in there. It may void all or part of your warranty. Honestly, I see the average user thinking that if he roots his phone that it can be used as a baseball in the next round robin tournament. Over clock the cpu, go ahead, over clock the memory, go ahead. Use it has a wireless router for the whole neighborhood 24/7, go ahead. Finding an app that says "turn your phone into a baseball app." He will download it, install it, hit the phone with a bat and go crying to sprint and htc about how it was defective hardware. You can not blame htc or sprint for saying sorry, but no deal. Honestly, I have seen threads here that state, dropped my phone on concrete, broke the screen, now sprint wants to rip me off a 100 bucks because they say it is user damage, what a scam. How can I get around not paying the hundred bucks for something I did to the phone? If the average user will say I broke the phone and I think sprint should pay for it, I don't see them wanting to cover rooting the phone. But once again, they said "may" void all or part of your warranty. Alright rant off.
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This is one of the best posts I have read in a long time. People think they want to root and mod their phones but don't want to pay the piper when they mess something up.
 
CarrieK said:
This is one of the best posts I have read in a long time. People think they want to root and mod their phones but don't want to pay the piper when they mess something up.
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Just because you can unlock your bootloader doesn't mean you have the know-how to root your phone. The people who will be unlocking their bootloaders will be the more resourceful users who will be looking online for guides, forum discussions, custom ROMs, etc. After all, HTC isn't going to install TWRP or clockworkmod for you. Nor will they add superuser to your system. That stuff is still up to the end user.

HTC's promise was to remove NAND protection. I don't see a surge of people magically knowing exactly how to take advantage of that. Therefore, as I said in another post, the people in the know on these forums and elsewhere should step up and educate the noobs on just how cool rooting is, as well as school them on the potential pitfalls.

The people who plan to fully root their phones are going to do so regardless of the presence or absence of an official bootloader unlock. So I don't see why there would be a huge influx of people reporting messed up phones than before the official bootloader unlock.
 
well I am sort of new to this and still learning, but what are these applications (AlphaRevX+unrevoked exploit) and how can I get them?
 
If you have you can't have them, they are reserved for ppl who don't do otas. You are stuck with htcdev.Com unlock
 
I took the OTA and am planning on using the HTC method to unlock the BL. I've heard that CM7 will only work with S-off. Does this requirement go for all AOSP roms? I want to install a fast rom and just use SPB Shell or maybe the Go products. Hopefully MIUI whenever it gets ported.
 
- First time flashing CM 7 to your Evo 3D (or coming from another ROM)?
1. Unlock/root your device and install twrp or Clockwork Recovery(You MUST be NAND unlocked!)
2. Do a Nandroid backup!
3. Update your radio if necessary
4. WIPE
5. Install the ROM
5. Optionally install the Google Addon

- Upgrading from earlier CM7 or nightly build?
1. Do a Nandroid Backup!
2. Install the ROM (your Google apps will be backed up automatically)

no where does it say s-off

all you have to do is follow the htc unlock guide, flash recovery and then you can use cm
 
wake69 said:
- First time flashing CM 7 to your Evo 3D (or coming from another ROM)?
1. Unlock/root your device and install twrp or Clockwork Recovery(You MUST be NAND unlocked!)
2. Do a Nandroid backup!
3. Update your radio if necessary
4. WIPE
5. Install the ROM
5. Optionally install the Google Addon

- Upgrading from earlier CM7 or nightly build?
1. Do a Nandroid Backup!
2. Install the ROM (your Google apps will be backed up automatically)

no where does it say s-off

all you have to do is follow the htc unlock guide, flash recovery and then you can use cm
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Very awesome! I used CM7 and aospCMod on my Hero and loved both. This is good news!
 
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