Root [CDMA] Evo3d Rooting rant

[wake69]

This is my rant for the year

What 1 click root has done to the rooting/dev community

I received my first android phone on Jun, 4 2010, the evo4g.
I decided to see what i could do with it. I joined the Android Forums and XDA to learn about the phone.
I found information on rooting, which intrigued me and decided to root.
The only method at the time was toasts method which required adb to obtain this root, so i learned. I spent probably about 6-10 hrs learning and trying and trying again.
I finally succeeded and obtained root. This was a small personal win for me since while in IT i never worked with linux and felt accomplished that i could work in another platform.
I had to return my evo once for a broken charger port, a problem with some launch day evos and had to root again. This time there was the simple root method, a 2 click method which was much easier but i still had my base. again I had to return my evo due to a screen separation, but this time my phone was shipped with new software and i was unable to root for about 2 months and i hated it, but i waited patiently following unrevoked and every thread i could about the status of the root method without asking, "when will root become available?".

After root was obtained I had my evo rooted, flashing and trying new things until it was time to say good bye and the EVO 3d was released.
I waited patiently until there was a safe root method, joining IRC and watching the root threads until it was release. I tried the new root method when it was first released and it was good. But SU was not stickied. I had a little help finding a script to help loop su to get all root apps permission, but still after a while, su would stop working.
Then people found that they could place su in a different location and have it work until reboot.

This method is great for using root apps to help backup and restore apps, use wireless tether and play with overclock, this is the new one click

My point is this, people who didnt have to "work" to root their phones are now having a hard time with this developmental rooting method expecting the devs to hand them a one click, when the 4G was out, one click rooting did not happen for months into the release. So if you are expecting unrevoked or TeamWin to release this, you dont need to hold your breath, and learn what you are doing and how to do it.
TeamWin was nice enough to pack most of the work into the fre3vo file to help out and to hide the exploit for various reasons.

So, if you want to root your Evo 3d, learn the basics it will help you a lot for when we finally get the s-off root method which will probably not be packed into a nice neat little one click program.

But, I digress

 

[strat1227]

Dunno, a lot of people do it as a hobby and therefore learn all the intricacies of adb and rooting and everything. I personally do it solely for practicality purposes. I want tethering and TB. Are those two minor things worth spending hours over? Of course not, unless you just enjoy doing that.

I recognize that I need help from the community and devs in order to get what I'm looking for. I think as long as people are up front about it, ask nicely, and say thanks to those willing to help, there's not an issue *shrug*

Not everyone needs to know/understand deep rooting knowledge just because they want tethering, that's kind of absurd IMO.

If people want to wait for 1-click that's their prerogative, and if you don't want to help clueless people then that's also your prerogative. But to say that everyone who wants root needs to spend hours learning adb is kinda unfair I think

 

[novox77]

The key here is for everyone that wants root to try to appreciate that it may not be a simple process; that a lot of work goes into achieving root, and not to expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

To say that you don't want to get your hands dirty just to have tethering is like saying you want your car to go faster without ever opening the hood. However, if someone were clever enough to invent a way to make your car go faster without you ever needing to open the hood, make sure you show their appreciation, because what they achieved is pretty darn impressive. Get the analogy?

So... we are all in the same boat here. We're not the devs, but we want root. Let's all be patient, monitor the threads I outlined in the main sticky thread, and always be courteous, polite, and considerate.

Some things really are more gratifying if you have to work for it, not to mention making you a little more knowledgeable about something in the process.

 

[strat1227]

Oh I wholeheartedly agree, I never said it was an easy process and I fully appreciate all the devs who are working to make this as simple and painless as possible. But for me it comes down to simple cost/benefit analysis. Until it's simple and easy, it's simply not worth doing it to me.

I don't understand why that would mean I'm bringing down the "rooting/dev community" any, it just means that my personal choice is to wait for 1-click or something similarly easy.

If wake is a dev who doesn't want to cater to people like me then I bear him no ill will, it just means that I'll wait until other devs are willing to make it simple, and if no one does then I just won't be rooting lol

 

[wake69]

Dunno, a lot of people do it as a hobby and therefore learn all the intricacies of adb and rooting and everything. I personally do it solely for practicality purposes. I want tethering and TB. Are those two minor things worth spending hours over? Of course not, unless you just enjoy doing that.

I recognize that I need help from the community and devs in order to get what I'm looking for. I think as long as people are up front about it, ask nicely, and say thanks to those willing to help, there's not an issue *shrug*

Not everyone needs to know/understand deep rooting knowledge just because they want tethering, that's kind of absurd IMO.

If people want to wait for 1-click that's their prerogative, and if you don't want to help clueless people then that's also your prerogative. But to say that everyone who wants root needs to spend hours learning adb is kinda unfair I think

I understand what you are saying and have no problems with anything you said, now, let me clarify...

People wanting one click root are fine, but the people who are used to one click root and wanting to root the evo 3d now, its in development.
If you want to use the current root method, you need to have a slight idea of what you are doing. If you dont care to know what what to do, or what you need, then this is not the root for you.

I am willing to help to an extent. since this is a temp root which is still in the development stage, it takes a little more work to gain root than say in 3 mos or when a oneclick or 2 click app are released. so while you (in a global sense)may only want to use tb or wireless tether, then you need to do a little homework. all the bat file roots are very similar and they all work. and just since one doesnt have a guide that doesnt mean they all dont. so before you say that you cant find "anything" look at other threads and try for yourself.
that is all i am saying

 

[strat1227]

. all the bat file roots are very similar and they all work. and just since one doesnt have a guide that doesnt mean they all dont. so before you say that you cant find "anything" look at other threads and try for yourself.

Lol come on, the thread you linked me to was 30 pages long, how is it unreasonable for me to ask for a link to the instructions?

Again, if you don't want to help then that's fine. But that doesn't mean people should stop asking for help. Asking questions is how you learn

 

[wake69]

Lol come on, the thread you linked me to was 30 pages long, how is it unreasonable for me to ask for a link to the instructions?

Again, if you don't want to help then that's fine. But that doesn't mean people should stop asking for help. Asking questions is how you learn

The link I sent you while 30 pages had all instructions listed in the first ten lines, so back at you. The reason I don't write out a guide is because it changes every day so there is no immediate need. I use the lion I provided and it worked seamlessly for me without the use of adb. All I needed to do was make sure I used the correct drivers and had USB debugging turned on, how hard is that? Honestly.

 

[strat1227]

I'm really confused now, because in that thread you were extremely helpful and answered all of my questions quickly, which was awesome and I showed my appreciation ... what about that interaction upset you??

If you don't want to answer questions you don't have to, that's your prerogative, but it seems like you answered my questions and now are upset at me about it

 

[novox77]

Sorry,

shutting this thread down since it's only harboring bad feelings.

Let's keep our eye on the big picture: we're all on the same team, Android and Evo 3D. Always be courteous and considerate. For those who provide help, expect that your efforts don't always go appreciated. For those who ask for help, please remember that no one is under obligation to do so; therefore always show your appreciation and thanks.