Root [CDMA] Locked Boot Loader...Will you still get it?

[novox77]

In an effort to keep things organized, let's keep this thread on topic: how does HTC's bootloader security policy affect your decision to buy the Evo3D or other HTC phones. Thanks

brute-force cracking posts moved to
http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all...ut-locked-bootloader-but-its-big-problem.html

 

[themuffinman75]

Same here, I have no doubt that this phone will be fully rooted fairly quickly, but regardless I am getting the E3D as soon as its released.

Tell that to the Droid X owners. Unless HTC backpedals on their stance, or an engineering boot is leaked, there is little chance in hell of this phone being fully rooted, much less in a quick fashion.

Call me optimistic, like I said I am not worried one bit. It will happen and it wont take that long.

@Android 17

After a good nights worth of sleep, I woke up this morning having second thoughts. I am trying to stay positive but I just don't know anymore, HTC really f'd up on this one. What I may end up doing is getting one on release day just to try it out and if it can't be rooted with in the 30 day return window then I will more than likely just return the phone and wait for something else.

 

[jerofld]

To be honest, no. I don't think they would, but if they did, I, along with thousands of other users both here and on XDA would be very happy. Besides, they've delayed it THIS long. haha

I doubt they would delay even if they did do a reversal on the bootloader. It would be easier to just release it as a patch later that unlocks it.

Or HTC intentionally leaks an engineering bootloader. Which HTC could claim that they didn't authorize to carriers, but gives devs the means they need to do what they do.

Tell that to the Droid X owners. Unless HTC backpedals on their stance, or an engineering boot is leaked, there is little chance in hell of this phone being fully rooted, much less in a quick fashion.

DX owners, like myself, just can't tweak anything that is directly controlled by the encrypted bootloader. We do have ROMs and Clockwork Recovery. While this isn't as good as the Evo 4G, it still isn't bad. The E3D, however, is getting something much worse that what we every had to face.

 

[brownhornet]

I for one will still be getting it. Considering this would be my first Android phone and I wasn't planning on rooting anyway this really has no impact on me. Although with all the people now reconsidering this may result in no shortage of phones come launch day.

We'll revisit this when you get it and are on here wondering what you can do to improve your battery to keep it from dying by noon without custom kernels.

 

[novox77]

We'll revisit this when you get it and are on here wondering what you can do to improve your battery to keep it from dying by noon without custom kernels.

Well, plenty of people are getting good battery life without root or running on custom kernels. There's a lot of stuff you can do without root to really extend the battery. Yes, you have more tools at your disposal with custom kernels, setCPU, etc, but I wouldn't rush to the assumption that the Evo3D is doomed to horrible battery life just because the bootloader can't be replaced.

Remember, the standby time on the Evo3D is 2.5x that of the Evo4G. Talk time is 1.6x longer.

 

[Putty]

What other dual-core options are out there?

 

[jerofld]

Samsung Galaxy S2 (or SII...whichever) looks to be the most promising alternative.

 

[Putty]

This ruins my day. Although didn't they say the same thing with the Droid X and Thunderbolt?? Both are now rootable.

 

[alcohol]

Samsung Galaxy S2 (or SII...whichever) looks to be the most promising alternative.

Only works on AT&T 3G/HSPA+. And you have to buy it at full price.

It won't be on the carriers for a few months.

 

[jerofld]

Only works on AT&T 3G/HSPA+. And you have to buy it at full price.

It won't be on the carriers for a few months.

I didn't say it was an alternative he could get now. He just asked for an alternative

 

[jerofld]

This ruins my day. Although didn't they say the same thing with the Droid X and Thunderbolt?? Both are now rootable.

There are different circumstances.

If you just care about su and installing SuperUser and being able to remove bloat and install other root-required apps, likely you'll be able to do that with E3D.

As it stands, you can root and ROM Droid X's. You can't, however, mess with the kernel. That's locked down with the encrypted bootloader that no one has cracked.

The Thunderbolt got lucky that an engineering HBOOT got leaked, which made the encrypted bootloader a non-issue. But had it not, HTC does a better/worse job (depending on prospective) of locking down their devices. Moto just locks /boot. HTC locks /boot, /system, and /recovery.

Could the E3D also get lucky like TBolt? Yes. But luck is a factor we cannot control.

 

[MahaloCat]

NOPE....I will not buy this phone....or any htc products if they continue down this course.

 

[brownhornet]

Well, plenty of people are getting good battery life without root or running on custom kernels. There's a lot of stuff you can do without root to really extend the battery. Yes, you have more tools at your disposal with custom kernels, setCPU, etc, but I wouldn't rush to the assumption that the Evo3D is doomed to horrible battery life just because the bootloader can't be replaced.

Remember, the standby time on the Evo3D is 2.5x that of the Evo4G. Talk time is 1.6x longer.

Yea, plenty of people get good battery life without using half of the features of the phone. Keeping 4G off, keeping sync off, disabling background data, disabling push gmail. WTF is the point of spending all that money on a phone that you have to disable half the features just to be able to make it through the day?

And yea, the standby time is 2x that, with a screen thats going to burn more battery, a version of sense and 3d thats going to be a super battery hog. Trust me, ive run sense 3.0 on my Evo and I can tell you know, it is going to be a battery monster. And it was killing my battery WITH an SBC kernel so I can only imagine what its going to be like for stock.

 

[novox77]

Yea, plenty of people get good battery life without using half of the features of the phone. Keeping 4G off, keeping sync off, disabling background data, disabling push gmail. WTF is the point of spending all that money on a phone that you have to disable half the features just to be able to make it through the day?

The point is that people aren't on their phones 24/7, so disabling certain radios when they are not in use is perfectly reasonable and an excellent way to conserve battery for when you DO use the smart features of your phone. And I have no expectation that my phone SHOULD last through the day if I'm hammering it with tons of usage. That's not how I define good battery life.

And yea, the standby time is 2x that, with a screen thats going to burn more battery, a version of sense and 3d thats going to be a super battery hog. Trust me, ive run sense 3.0 on my Evo and I can tell you know, it is going to be a battery monster. And it was killing my battery WITH an SBC kernel so I can only imagine what its going to be like for stock.

How does running Sense 3.0 on different hardware (OG Evo) prove that it would be a battery hog on the machine it was designed for?

And FWIW, when I flashed a Sense 3.0 ROM on my Evo, battery life was just fine. I tinkered with the ROM non-stop for 4 hours and used about 20% of the battery. Had I made phone calls, I'm sure my results would be worse, but that brings up a good point: radio use is one of the biggest battery drainers on the phone. Which is why it absolutely pays to shut off your radios when you don't need them. Don't worry, you and your phone are still smart even if you turn off your radios.

 

[EarlyMon]

Now that the bootloader will be unlocked, this thread hereby is.