Coming from a SAMOLED Screen

[ISASoilder]

I may upgrade out of fustration of waiting on the GNex but one of my main concerns b4 i upgrade is the Screen, I have been spoiled with SAMOLED every non AMoled screen ive seen has looked washed out to me, anyway for those of yo who have the Rezound and may have used a SuperAmoled device how does the screen compare is it better?

 

[olbriar]

I upgraded from the Dinc to the Rezound. I'm simply blown away at the quality of the display of the Rezound. It's like watching HD TV. I love it.

 

[jayochs]

same. i upgraded from AMOLED inc to the rezound, and i love the screen. it took me NO TIME to get used to SLCD again...after i said i'd never buy another phone that wasn't amoled hahah

sure, the blacks aren't NEARLY as black because the pixels are still on for SLCD, but to me, i think reading black background with white font is much easier now...same goes for a white background with black font! the non-pentile display also helps very much. it's so much sharper than my Inc..and my INC you can see individiual pixels. can't on this bad boy.

also, my inc was one of the ones with the pinkish hue, meaning it always had a more red tint to it..and when birghtness was low or at 0, the entire screen was just pink. was very annoying. it's so wonderful being able to use this SLCD at any brightness and it'll stay true to it's colors!

 

[NightAngel79]

Same here... Came from Amoled to Rezound... simply blown away!

 

[backdoc77]

This is the only issue holding me back. I went to the Verizon store and compared the razr and rezound side by side. The razr display just looked better to me. The black was black and colors seemed better. The rezound looked washed out

Now I'm back up on the fence.....

 

[jayochs]

yuck. the razr display, despite being amoled, is not nearly as sharp due to the non hd resolution. you may think it looks better becuase amoled tends to make colors less true but bringing out the reds more, in a more vivid sense. lcd tends to reproduce colors more accurately

 

[nelamvr6]

A lot of people get accustomed to what are essentially over-saturated colors and then it's hard for them to look at a display that is actually much more accurate.

Every time I read a review that talks about colors "popping" I cringe.

 

[jayochs]

that's the word i was searching for, over saturated hahah i couldn't think of it.

 

[nfotiu]

This is the only issue holding me back. I went to the Verizon store and compared the razr and rezound side by side. The razr display just looked better to me. The black was black and colors seemed better. The rezound looked washed out

Now I'm back up on the fence.....

I'm with you, I am an amoled fan boy I guess. Did not like the grey blacks at all on the rezound. Black blacks just add so much depth to my eyes, especially for pictures and videos. I'll concede that txt looks a little better on the 720 vs the Razr, but I'll never own an lcd phone.

 

[superchaos]

Talked to a VZW employee today who said people are coming into the store complaining about the RAZR. He said it was various different issues but nothing specific.Came from the Inc and I am not even griping about paying $649 for the Rezound. I am really happy with it. Root will make it all that much better.

 

[kishin14]

I'm with you, I am an amoled fan boy I guess. Did not like the grey blacks at all on the rezound. Black blacks just add so much depth to my eyes, especially for pictures and videos. I'll concede that txt looks a little better on the 720 vs the Razr, but I'll never own an lcd phone.

A little better? Are you sure you were comparing the rezound to the razr? I'm just messin' with ya. I disagree completely, but just messin' with ya. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, even amoled fan boys Besides, I'd like deeper blacks too. It's the only thing I envy about amoled screens.

Will never own an LCD phone, huh? Well then what about an S-LCD phone. That S stands for Super and boy is it ever. Sorry, it's late. I really should go to bed.

 

[Calvin35]

This is the only issue holding me back. I went to the Verizon store and compared the razr and rezound side by side. The razr display just looked better to me. The black was black and colors seemed better. The rezound looked washed out

Now I'm back up on the fence.....

You may like the color on the razr better, but color is far more accurate on the rezound. The display on the rezound is the best display I have ever seen on any device ever. This coming from someone who calibrates tvs on the side.

 

[Ken7]

You may like the color on the razr better, but color is far more accurate on the rezound. The display on the rezound is the best display I have ever seen on any device ever. This coming from someone who calibrates tvs on the side.

I've always owned the most expensive TVs (Kuro, Fujitsu, Elite) and although the s-amoled screens do tend to be oversaturated, their far better black levels just present a better picture to my eyes. To me it's just a more enjoyable experience looking at the Razr screen. Even though the Rezound is higher rez, I find it harder to appreciate that additional rez on a 4.3" screen than I do the much nicer blacks on the Razr screen. Both are nice, don't get me wrong.

But if you calibrate TVs, you know if this were your TV, you could never put up with the gray blacks that are on these phones, even if they're high rez. With that said, we don't tend (at least I don't) to watch feature length movies on these small screens.

 

[kishin14]

I've always owned the most expensive TVs (Kuro, Fujitsu, Elite) and although the s-amoled screens do tend to be oversaturated, their far better black levels just present a better picture to my eyes. To me it's just a more enjoyable experience looking at the Razr screen. Even though the Rezound is higher rez, I find it harder to appreciate that additional rez on a 4.3" screen than I do the much nicer blacks on the Razr screen. Both are nice, don't get me wrong.

But if you calibrate TVs, you know if this were your TV, you could never put up with the gray blacks that are on these phones, even if they're high rez. With that said, we don't tend (at least I don't) to watch feature length movies on these small screens.

Actually, that's exactly what I do with my phone and one of the biggest reasons I choose the rezound over the razr. Sure the blacks aren't as deep. But they're really not gray either. Not to me. They look more like blacks that have a back light behind it (which is the case) and that's really not the same thing. Washed out, maybe, but gray? Not really.

But like I said, I'd take the deeper blacks of amoled for sure, just not at the expense of noticeable pixelation. Also, I don't like people in my films looking like they all have perpetual sun burn. To me that's even worse than the lighter blacks.

 

[nelamvr6]

I've always owned the most expensive TVs (Kuro, Fujitsu, Elite) and although the s-amoled screens do tend to be oversaturated, their far better black levels just present a better picture to my eyes. To me it's just a more enjoyable experience looking at the Razr screen. Even though the Rezound is higher rez, I find it harder to appreciate that additional rez on a 4.3" screen than I do the much nicer blacks on the Razr screen. Both are nice, don't get me wrong.

But if you calibrate TVs, you know if this were your TV, you could never put up with the gray blacks that are on these phones, even if they're high rez. With that said, we don't tend (at least I don't) to watch feature length movies on these small screens.

If you calibrate TVs you'd know that the black levels in the Rezound's screen are at the very least acceptable. They could be better but they're not that bad.

But you'd also know that the color accuracy of AMOLED screens is totally unacceptable, and that this is a MUCH BIGGER problem than the black levels. Not to mention the resolution being way too low.

If you like the Razr better than the Rezound, that's your choice, but trying to make the screen of the Razr seem better than the screen of the Rezound is just dumb. Plain and simple.

 

[kishin14]

If you calibrate TVs you'd know that the black levels in the Rezound's screen are at the very least acceptable. They could be better but they're not that bad.

But you'd also know that the color accuracy of AMOLED screens is totally unacceptable, and that this is a MUCH BIGGER problem than the black levels. Not to mention the resolution being way too low.

If you like the Razr better than the Rezound, that's your choice, but trying to make the screen of the Razr seem better than the screen of the Rezound is just dumb. Plain and simple.

I don't think it's dumb. On paper, yes the rezound has a much higher pixel count. Really, there's no contest. But in the real world, the better screen is probably subjective. To some, it won't matter. It really comes down to what you value more. If you prefer vivid colors or being able to see your screen as well as you can in the sunlight, I could see why you think the amoled screen is better.

Personally, I value the pixel density much higher. Watching films on my phone... well, let's just say it look like someone took a bunch of high quality 35mm photos and were flashing 30 of 'em per sec in front of my eyes for two hours. Simply glorious.

 

[rushmore]

The Rezound display is sweet, but if you play game emulators, either the display or all of the emulators need updated to work correctly.

If you do not play game emulators, no harm no foul.

 

[nelamvr6]

I don't think it's dumb. On paper, yes the rezound has a much higher pixel count. Really, there's no contest. But in the real world, the better screen is probably subjective. To some, it won't matter. It really comes down to what you value more. If you prefer vivid colors or being able to see your screen as well as you can in the sunlight, I could see why you think the amoled screen is better.

Personally, I value the pixel density much higher. Watching films on my phone... well, let's just say it look like someone took a bunch of high quality 35mm photos and were flashing 30 of 'em per sec in front of my eyes for two hours. Simply glorious.

I respectfully disagree with at least some of what you said.

I concede that people will prefer what they prefer, and often they won't be able to justify it, or even be interested in justifying it. And after all, it is their money, they should be able to buy what they like.

But Ken7 actual played the "if you calibrate TVs" card, he's interested in invoking standards to justify his preference, when in reality standards will in no way ever be able to justify the AMOLED screen of any phone.

The SMPTE has developed standards for video reproduction. These standards cover everything from contrast and luminence to color accuracy. These are the standards that one would use to calibrate TV displays, or any sort of display really.

He doesn't like the black levels on the Rezound's screen, when in reality they're not bad. Perhaps not quite as good as the Razr's AMOLED screen, but certainly acceptable.

However the color accuracy of the AMOLED screen is absolutely horrid, it couldn't even come close to approaching compliance with any sort of standard.

He's definitely entitled to have a preference, and if he prefers the Razr I hope he's happy with it.

But to come into a Rezound forum and imply that TV calibrators would give the nod to the Razr's display is absolute nonsense, and bad form IMHO.

 

[kishin14]

I respectfully disagree with at least some of what you said.

I concede that people will prefer what they prefer, and often they won't be able to justify it, or even be interested in justifying it. And after all, it is their money, they should be able to buy what they like.

But Ken7 actual played the "if you calibrate TVs" card, he's interested in invoking standards to justify his preference, when in reality standards will in no way ever be able to justify the AMOLED screen of any phone.

The SMPTE has developed standards for video reproduction. These standards cover everything from contrast and luminence to color accuracy. These are the standards that one would use to calibrate TV displays, or any sort of display really.

He doesn't like the black levels on the Rezound's screen, when in reality they're not bad. Perhaps not quite as good as the Razr's AMOLED screen, but certainly acceptable.

However the color accuracy of the AMOLED screen is absolutely horrid, it couldn't even come close to approaching compliance with any sort of standard.

He's definitely entitled to have a preference, and if he prefers the Razr I hope he's happy with it.

But to come into a Rezound forum and imply that TV calibrators would give the nod to the Razr's display is absolute nonsense, and bad form IMHO.

Fair enough. Point taken. See, I'm a pretty easy to convince guy, especially when people start talking about things I don't know. But like I said, the truest test for me is the one from my eyes. And my eyes agree with your assessment.

 

[Ken7]

If you like the Razr better than the Rezound, that's your choice, but trying to make the screen of the Razr seem better than the screen of the Rezound is just dumb. Plain and simple.

I'm not trying to 'make the screen of the Razr seem better', that's just how it appears to me. My opinion counts just as much as yours and frankly, if I'm buying the device, a whole lot more than yours. To tell me that it's just 'dumb' to say what I did is frankly 'just plain dumb'.

I was fair in not hiding the fact that the Samoled screens are over-saturated, they are. I said that. But there's no question the blacks on the Razr are far better. So it depends if you appreciate a higher contrast ratio with somewhat hyped colors more than a higher resolution and more accurate colors.

I will take you back several years to a test done with two Panasonic plasma TVs. It was found that most people appreciated the higher contrast ratio of the lower rez TV more than the higher resolution of the other TV (it was comparing a higher contrast 720p display to a 1080p display with lower contrast). The higher contrast ratio of the lower rez display was often interpreted as higher resolution even though it wasn't. This is often how the eye interprets an image. A higher contrast image is often seen as more detailed.

Like it or not, it is what it is. Again, both are fabulous displays IMO and it just depends which aspect of picture quality you appreciate more. There is no right or wrong, and certainly no 'dumb'.

 

[Ken7]

But to come into a Rezound forum and imply that TV calibrators would give the nod to the Razr's display is absolute nonsense, and bad form IMHO.

Jeez, where did I even 'imply' that???? I simply stated the black levels were better on the Razr, they are. I wasn't talking about SMPTE standards, ISF calibrations or which display would meet Rec709.

I simply stated the black levels are better, the colors are over-saturated and the image is poppier. Yes, the colors ARE more accurate on the Rezound. Each display has its strengths & weaknesses. Again, it is what it is.

 

[NightAngel79]

Yes there is no 'dumb' choice here. And furthermore we will not be implying that anyone else is dumb, and I'm not implying that anyone is, just wanna be sure we don't stray. Don't wanna see any hostilities

Attack issues, not each other
(again i dont think anyone has been for the most part, just a friendly reminder)



Off topic, on topic post: Thinking of merging ALL the screen threads in this section (there are around 3). What does everyone think? The screen talks are very interesting, especially to members who are not familiar with screen tech. What says the community?

 

[rushmore]

After using both devices, I can see why people would like both displays, or one in particular. Both have good points and bad points, but are net positives.

Still say the Rezound looks better, but the touch response seems better on the Razr.

 

[nelamvr6]

Yes there is no 'dumb' choice here. And furthermore we will not be implying that anyone else is dumb, and I'm not implying that anyone is, just wanna be sure we don't stray. Don't wanna see any hostilities

Attack issues, not each other
(again i dont think anyone has been for the most part, just a friendly reminder)



Off topic, on topic post: Thinking of merging ALL the screen threads in this section (there are around 3). What does everyone think? The screen talks are very interesting, especially to members who are not familiar with screen tech. What says the community?

Personally I'd rather see them stay separate.

Jeez, where did I even 'imply' that???? I simply stated the black levels were better on the Razr, they are. I wasn't talking about SMPTE standards, ISF calibrations or which display would meet Rec709.

I simply stated the black levels are better, the colors are over-saturated and the image is poppier. Yes, the colors ARE more accurate on the Rezound. Each display has its strengths & weaknesses. Again, it is what it is.

When you said

"But if you calibrate TVs, you know if this were your TV, you could never put up with the gray blacks that are on these phones, even if they're high rez."

It opened up the discussion on the accuracy of these displays, yes? Why even mention calibration otherwise?

But you're right, I shouldn't have said what you did was dumb. For that, I apologize.

It appears to me that we both have at least a little bit of experience with high quality displays. That's why I don't understand how you can make such a big deal over the black levels of the Rezound, when they're not nearly as bad as you make out, all the while conveniently ignoring the color inaccuracies of the SAMOLED displays, when they are glaring! Having every single color over-saturated will definitely have a much bigger effect than slightly anemic black levels.

I'm not trying to 'make the screen of the Razr seem better', that's just how it appears to me. My opinion counts just as much as yours and frankly, if I'm buying the device, a whole lot more than yours. To tell me that it's just 'dumb' to say what I did is frankly 'just plain dumb'.

I was fair in not hiding the fact that the Samoled screens are over-saturated, they are. I said that. But there's no question the blacks on the Razr are far better. So it depends if you appreciate a higher contrast ratio with somewhat hyped colors more than a higher resolution and more accurate colors.

I will take you back several years to a test done with two Panasonic plasma TVs. It was found that most people appreciated the higher contrast ratio of the lower rez TV more than the higher resolution of the other TV (it was comparing a higher contrast 720p display to a 1080p display with lower contrast). The higher contrast ratio of the lower rez display was often interpreted as higher resolution even though it wasn't. This is often how the eye interprets an image. A higher contrast image is often seen as more detailed.

Like it or not, it is what it is. Again, both are fabulous displays IMO and it just depends which aspect of picture quality you appreciate more. There is no right or wrong, and certainly no 'dumb'.

OK, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said "dumb". I'm sorry.

But you obviously know better. What people prefer has absolutely no impact on accuracy.

We both know how all big box stores have their display TVs on torch mode in order to get people to notice them, yes?

What you're suggesting, it seems to me anyways, is that it's better to have a phone whose display is on torch mode all the time, in fact, one that can't be adjusted off of torch mode.

And we also both know that that's just not true.

I've said it before in this thread, if you prefer that sort of display, that's your business.

But I don't think you should argue that the Razr's display is just as good when it's clearly not. Especially when this is a thread dedicated to discussions on the Rezound. I don't go into Razr threads and talk about how much better the Rezound's display is...

 

[Blackthanos]

I can actually see both sides of this. If someone has a personal preference it doesn't always go along with what people or even the facts say. It's a matter of your own prospective. I don't think that Ken7 was saying that the Razr's screen was better, just the it looked better to him as he likes exaggerated colors on his displays. That to him seems better. I also don't think nelamvr6 was calling him dumb I think he meant the idea of what he was implying was inconsistent with the facts and therefore didn't make any sense to him especially in a ReZound forum. I don't think Ken7 fully understood how what he said came off but I don't believe in name calling either. Even if it's about the idea and not the person. I do know what it's like to get passionately caught up in the moment when debating something though. Debate can be a good thing as long as it's done in a mutually respectful way.

EDIT: nelamvr6 posted his reply before I entered mine so read this as if it was posted before his..lol.