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Countdown to Windows 10...

jefboyardee

jefboyardee

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If you have Win7 or Win8.x running, you either already have or will get an invitation for your free upgrade to Win10, appearing on your task bar. Anxious for it, I clicked 'reserve' right away, then double-thought that. I then found threads like Win10 Offering Icon in Systray, which advise patience. It does seem reasonable to let the patches settle in before installing, so I've canceled my reservations. And I'd rather burn it in ISO form anyway. Choosing to reserve is an okay to install it right under your nose, right on top of your existing c: partition.

I don't know which is the right way to do this, perhaps no one does, being such an odd situation...
 
bjacks12 said:
It's not like I'm in love with Windows 8.1
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Having tried 8.x, I can sure understand that. But I've got my W7HP tuned to a gnat's ass and don't necessarily want to cast it blindly aside. I'm hoping to burn W10 to a DVD, save my existing W7 as an image, then, if possible, install W10 on an adjacent partition – one I was using to futz with W10 Tech Preview.
 
bjacks, it's hard to believe that you and I are the only two people in this entire forum that are interested in the upcoming, perhaps too-late version of Windows.
 
I reserved my upgrade to Windows 10, curious on how it's going to be. I've gotten use to Windows 8.1 after using it daily for the last couple months but I still much prefer the feel of Windows 7
 
Today I evaluated both 32 and 64 bit version of Windows 10 "Insider Preview" with eye towards it's compatibility with my product, a classic VB6 program and I found no incompatibilities. I enjoyed the sleek and smooth operation of it over previous versions of Windows. I won't miss anything they are leaving out.
 
jefboyardee said:
bjacks, it's hard to believe that you and I are the only two people in this entire forum that are interested in the upcoming, perhaps too-late version of Windows.
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I used to be very interested in Win years ago, these days much more interested in Android and mobile technology. And my daily use computer is an older Apple Macbook. :D

Have a couple of other laptops as well, one with Win 7(PRC) and other Win 8.1(International). One of which is also running Linux Mint. May not get Win 10 in mainland PRC yet though, especially with the international version of Win. And given that can't even activate international Win in China anyway. Not really bothered anyway.
 
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jefboyardee said:
Although I can't argue with that, Windows is something I've come to understand better than the others and am therefore reluctant to abandon it.
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I'll end up using it along with my other operating systems.

I'll simply continue to complain about its shortcomings, same as I do with OS X and Linux, and not look forward to a major revision that doesn't address my complaints, same as I do with OS X and Linux there, too.
jefboyardee said:
Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10

Say goodbye to Windows Media Center and control over your updates
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Wait.

A fundamental strategy for our IT Crowd, and a personal favorite of mine, is to not allow Microsoft to update anything automatically.

If you've ever had a security compromise for a few days until they fixed the fix, or found out first thing in the morning that you couldn't work because they broke something essential on that stupid overnight updating then you know how wrong this is going to be.
Joe Stanton said:
Today I evaluated both 32 and 64 bit version of Windows 10 "Insider Preview" with eye towards it's compatibility with my product, a classic VB6 program and I found no incompatibilities. I enjoyed the sleek and smooth operation of it over previous versions of Windows. I won't miss anything they are leaving out.
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I wish every success not controlling your updates. If that's never bitten you, thank your lucky stars.

Pretty sure I can predict what that change is going to do to the adoption rate.

Windows 1 through 3.1 - losers.

Windows NT, Win2k, and WinXP s2 - welcome improvements.

Windows 7 - ok, well they fixed Vista and new application software required it.

Windows 8 - hello, Classic Shell, I just want Windows 7. Get Windows 7, uninstall 8.

Not worth mentioning due to being utter crap - CE, ME, 95, 98, Vista, and every home edition of anything they've ever done.

Depending on how big a threat it is, I'll either use 10 or avoid it and wait for 11.

Frankly, I'll just wait to see what you all find and go from there.
 
I think the catastrophe of Windows 8 will forever stain the sheen of Windows systems going forward. Microsoft is not likely to ever wield the power it did with Windows 7 and previous – an epic marketing blunder. Having said that, I still look forward to Windows 10, mostly because it'll be free for Windowzers like me. I also look forward to alternatives like Android running reliably on a PC, but the Android-x86 Project doesn't come close.
 
EarlyMon said:
A fundamental strategy for our IT Crowd, and a personal favorite of mine, is to not allow Microsoft to update anything automatically.

If you've ever had a security compromise for a few days until they fixed the fix, or found out first thing in the morning that you couldn't work because they broke something essential on that stupid overnight updating then you know how wrong this is going to be.
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Most businesses will be running Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise which still allow IT departments to not update automatically, so only Windows 10 Home users will have them forced and risk getting borked by a bad update. :eek:

I agree, it would be better if they allowed you to delay the updates.
 
kate said:
Most businesses will be running Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise which still allow IT departments to not update automatically, so only Windows 10 Home users will have them forced and risk getting borked by a bad update. :eek:

I agree, it would be better if they allowed you to delay the updates.
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I didn't realize that Microsoft committed to that with the Pro/Enterprise line - just that the article called out the home edition.

I can't speak for most businesses.

I can say that I've come across one small business after another that uses the home edition with IT consultants that try to upsell them then give up, as well as number of corporations that look the other way when the home edition is somehow all a desk needs, according to purchasing and an idiot manager with no qualifications for making such decisions (my favorite quote, "Oh yeah, well you're wrong because I use the Home Edition and I've never had any trouble").

Home edition is, has been, and always will be an abject failure.

If you have and understand real Windows, you can't just help a friend or relative afflicted with the home edition, and you can't expect it to always stay out of your work life, regardless of stated policies - it's insidious, it's ridiculous, it's pointless, it's pandemic, and it needs to just stop - forever.

Don't even start me on how Enterprise and Server are not cartoons as I compared earlier - they're the most ridiculous video games ever invented - but I digress.

jefboyardee said:
I think the catastrophe of Windows 8 will forever stain the sheen of Windows systems going forward.
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Neither Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows XP SP1, nor Windows Vista seems to have any impact whatsoever on their reputation.

Those were all absolute, incontrovertible garbage from every perspective.

Do people stand up and say - I'm not going to take this anymore?! :mad:

For the most part, they do not.

They stand up and cheer and say - Hooray for this update, wow, Windows is so cool, look what I can do with it - and then argue on that basis with those of us who know exactly what's broken under the hood and have to field commercial software for a broken operating system, that things like Windows 95 and 98 were really - somehow - great.

Nothing personal, not accusing you or anyone in particular of doing that - but it's exactly the description of the Windows market at large.

If any actual improvements occur in Windows 10, I'll be all for them.

I simply reserve the right to be rigidly skeptical considering the source.
 
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Wait, hold the damn phone. They're removing floppy support!? COUNT ME OUT!

I do think it's still a bit early to pull native support for watching DVD's. I'm on the home version of 8.1 and so I'll be on the home version of 10. Maybe I'll shell out the money to upgrade, but I don't know if it's worth it for how little I use a home PC at this point.

I've never used a Pro or Enterprise version of 8.1, but the home version does force you to install updates. Not immediately, but if you do keep kicking the can it will say 'Nope, we're shutting down NOW and installing updates'. Really damn annoying if you ask me.....especially since I started having major problems after an update in February that resulted in me having to RMA the bastard.
 
I seem to recall hooking up floppy drive to my phone via OTG USB just to prove that it would work. No drivers required.

Not that anyone is really serious about floppies.

Again with the inverted USB drivers.

Oh Windows, please don't ever change! :D
 
EarlyMon said:
Neither Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows XP SP1, nor Windows Vista seems to have any impact whatsoever on their reputation.
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That's true, but I think times have changed. Apple has gained market share, Linux distros have to lesser extent, even Droid tablets & desktops are gaining some. That and I don't remember the Windows versions you mentioned being anywhere near as awful as 8.0 was. I do agree that MS is known for repeated missteps, but this one is different.
 
MS can't take a screw-up the same way they could in the past. Home users are moving towards tablets, Macs have become very popular, especially among millenials. Their only saving grace at this point is the corporate world.
 
jefboyardee said:
That and I don't remember the Windows versions you mentioned being anywhere near as awful as 8.0 was. I do agree that MS is known for repeated missteps, but this one is different.
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Win95 - false multitasking advertising, cooperative multitasking only, trying to play sound from two apps simultaneously could lead directly to a BSOD or worse, primitive file system support with workarounds required for all but the smallest hard drives. Completely trounced by the already-existing OS2/Warp that was able to run the same Windows apps with none of the nonsense. Microsoft caught red-handed lying that it wasn't what it was - an updated DOS that layered on Windows ala the old Desqview/X, iow, same as Win3.1 but hidden. NT was the only true Windows at the time and preexisted to the 95 launch.

Win98 - Microsoft's answer to angry Win95 users who woke up after seeing Win2k. An abomination released after Win2k with a hilarious moniker that didn't match the release year - but was technologically at least two years behind Win2k. A cash cow that convinced people to upgrade their laptops under some bizarre theory that was required. Existing laptops performed great with Win2k but in the something for nothing dot com days you couldn't convince anyone to buy a real operating system like Win2k for dollars when MS dangled 98 in front of their noses for pennies. Just after release was announced to have no forward migration path when MS discovered that 2k was better. A layer on DOS not as good as true Windows? Who could have known?

WinXP and WinXPsp1 - if run in a virtual machine with the CPU clock dialed down, it was more than obvious that what was really delivered was Win2k with a set of overlays that would, one by one, hide Win2k at boot up. Security holes so great that an entire industry threatened to fire anyone using it against policy.

Windows Vista - no point in trying to explain the worst Windows ever.
 
Wait...

Windows 98 - released to manufacturing on May 15, 1998
Windows 2000 - released to manufacturing on December 15, 1999


I won't try to argue that they're any good though. XP SP3 was good.

I skipped Vista, but my dad had it on a laptop...it was just terrible.
 
I stand corrected on that point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98

I wanted nothing to do with it and probably blocked it out of my mind.

It was a pig with facepaint and sold over Win2k to an unsuspecting public.

But it's planned obsolescence made Windows fans everywhere happy with each upgrade.

And lest we bury our heads in the sand and pretend otherwise, the biggest drivers to Windows adoption was the sales model with clones and vendors with no problems selling one copy of Windows with an order for 20 PCs.

Anyway, I could rail on equally against the competition.

My point goes back to the question of who's excited for the new release - and it's certainly not me. I know how the movie ends.

Optimistic that they'll have fixed some things beyond cosmetics.
 
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