• After 15+ years, we've made a big change: Android Forums is now Early Bird Club. Learn more here.

Discuss all Moto Droid Razr/Maxx HD rumors/release date/speculation/news

Do you feel that since Motorola released the Atrix HD with an LCD display that they will do the same with the Razr HD? Wouldn't the LCD use more battery than the Amoled? Since we know the battery is less than the Razr Maxx I would think they would want to conserve as much power as possible on the Razr HD.

I think the 1.5 Ghz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor will be a huge plus on this phone. It looks to perform fantastic on the Atrix HD.
 
ONJFan said:
Do you feel that since Motorola released the Atrix HD with an LCD display that they will do the same with the Razr HD? Wouldn't the LCD use more battery than the Amoled? Since we know the battery is less than the Razr Maxx I would think they would want to conserve as much power as possible on the Razr HD.

I think the 1.5 Ghz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor will be a huge plus on this phone. It looks to perform fantastic on the Atrix HD.
Click to expand...

The battery is smaller than the Maxx, but larger than the OG Razr. You have to keep in mind that this is being marketed (or will be anyway) as the successor to the Razr and not necessarily the Razr Maxx. At this point there is also no telling if there will ever be a Razr HD Maxx or Razr Maxx HD.

As far as the screens go, Amoled is more power efficient when you are dealing with a lot of black. If you spend time reading black text on a white background then LCD is actually better on battery. I doubt most people see the difference in battery life between the two though. LCD is easier to see in direct sunlight than Amoled. Super Amoled and Super Amoled Plus screens take care of this, but of course they are more expensive and primarily come from Samsung. Amoled does, however, offer better contrast ratio than LCD and the color reproduction is better as well.

In the end the difference in battery size between this and the Razr Maxx should be a wash. The S4 is much more power efficient as are the new gen LTE radios. Also, any time you use the screen you are consuming battery and there is no way around that. If the battery can last for more than 20 hours with reasonable use then it should work for most. I've seen people claim that they can burn through the Maxx's battery in 8 hours and others that say they get 60 hours out of a single charge. It is all in how you use it.
 
Do we know based on previous phones, when a phone gets to the fcc how long after that does it take for the phone to get to market? Would it be a 1 month, 2 months, 3 months? Could we possibly see this phone by the end of august?
 
It was mentioned on another forum by someone known to have connections to Moto that the Maxx will be the battery life king for some time. BUT, the HD shouldn't be so far off. Obviously some of us refuse to buy permanent battery phones and are running near 4000mah humpback aftermarket options so that's not really the full truth either if some OEMs continue to do removable batteries.

No hints on screen tech though. My guess is LCD.
 
jasaero said:
It was mentioned on another forum by someone known to have connections to Moto that the Maxx will be the battery life king for some time. BUT, the HD shouldn't be so far off. Obviously some of us refuse to buy permanent battery phones and are running near 4000mah humpback aftermarket options so that's not really the full truth either if some OEMs continue to do removable batteries.

No hints on screen tech though. My guess is LCD.
Click to expand...

I hope LCD also. Although 3000+ would be great, I think with todays new S4 and 2500 should be better than the S3 with 2100 even with LCD vice AMOLED. Throw in a smaller Fighter screen than S3 and I think the fighter should get a heavy user through the day and a light user through two days.
 
jasaero said:
In general I like LCD better also, but not really for brightness. I find that AMOLED's superior contrast means it needs FAR less brightness to match LCD outdoor readability. I just like LCD better because they seem to have more accurate color and are capable of better resolution than my eyes can resolve.
Click to expand...

I have found this as well. The S3 in reality turns out to be far more usable and readable than my DX. Also, the S3's auto brightness curves suck in favor of trying to maximize batterry life. I'm using Lux and defined my own brightness curves.

Also, if you compare a RAZR and S3 side by side and you disable the auto brighteness on both and turn them both up to maximum, the brightness is nearly identical. Make sure power save mode is off and make sure you are *not* using the stock browser on the S3 as it has it's own special brightness control which overrides the global one and even messes up third party controllers like Lux.
 
sorka said:
I have found this as well. The S3 in reality turns out to be far more usable and readable than my DX. Also, the S3's auto brightness curves suck in favor of trying to maximize batterry life. I'm using Lux and defined my own brightness curves.

Also, if you compare a RAZR and S3 side by side and you disable the auto brighteness on both and turn them both up to maximum, the brightness is nearly identical. Make sure power save mode is off and make sure you are *not* using the stock browser on the S3 as it has it's own special brightness control which overrides the global one and even messes up third party controllers like Lux.
Click to expand...

I've tried both on full brightness. When I hold the DX and S3 side by side with google maps, I can see the thin gray roads on the DX much better than the S3.
Just for kicks, I went into VZW last week cause some one stated the Razr is brighter than the S3. I put a LCD test app on the RAZR and S3 and ran through solid colors of red, blue, green, black, and gray. The razr, to me, was noticably brighter. Enough for me to say I'll wait for the fighter over the S3 although both are nowhere near my DX.
 
serpa4 said:
I've tried both on full brightness. When I hold the DX and S3 side by side with google maps, I can see the thin gray roads on the DX much better than the S3.
Just for kicks, I went into VZW last week cause some one stated the Razr is brighter than the S3. I put a LCD test app on the RAZR and S3 and ran through solid colors of red, blue, green, black, and gray. The razr, to me, was noticably brighter. Enough for me to say I'll wait for the fighter over the S3 although both are nowhere near my DX.
Click to expand...

It's hard to say. They are both VERY similar display tech. If the S3 has any less brightness capability to RAZR it's a compromise for display life, battery life, or something related to the higher pixel count and density on the S3.

I think the real point though is that if you are after outdoor readability as your concern when comparing brightness, you have to also account for differences in contrast capabilities that LCDs just can't match since they do not have individually lit pixels. Also you can't really compare solid color brightness tests to get any idea of how contrast will help outdoor readability. LCD's can get really bright, but the brighter you set them the more horrid their contrast tends to get as the LCD just can't be opaque where you don't want backlighting. Basically, point being AMOLED is often equal or better to VERY VERY bright LCD's out doors simply because it can create extreme contrast variations and ends up not needing to over power the sun to the same degree as an LCD.
 
svensett said:
I'll have to disagree with you on this. A small percentage of people are having reception issues with the S3. A lot of people are looking at signal bars and dBm readings and assuming poor reception even if they haven't had any dropped calls or data issues. I don't know if there was a bad batch of phones or what, but it seems very odd that there are phones that are beating the Motos in side by side signal performance and phones that are actually worse than the Gnex on a bad day.

My S3's reception is as good if not better than my DX both in real world use and watching the signal strength it reports.

I do feel your pain though. I had a Samsung Saga before the DX and it was terrible at holding a signal. Dropped calls while sitting still if you turned your head the wrong way, and I'm not joking...

All this being said, IF the Fighter/Razr HD would have been a choice when VZN forced our hands to keep unlimited data, I probably would have chose to go with it based on my previous experience with the DX and Saga regardless of whether the S3 had great reception or not. So far, I am not regretting going with the S3.
Click to expand...

The fortunate thing is that VZW is not forcing those of us with unlimited that didn't pull the trigger to switch to the new plan. Every time I go online to look at upgrading it allows me to retain my current plan. Not sure how long it will last? And this does work because a friend of mine just did it a week ago purchasing the S III and keeping his unlimited data.
 
jasaero said:
It's hard to say. They are both VERY similar display tech. If the S3 has any less brightness capability to RAZR it's a compromise for display life, battery life, or something related to the higher pixel count and density on the S3.

I think the real point though is that if you are after outdoor readability as your concern when comparing brightness, you have to also account for differences in contrast capabilities that LCDs just can't match since they do not have individually lit pixels. Also you can't really compare solid color brightness tests to get any idea of how contrast will help outdoor readability. LCD's can get really bright, but the brighter you set them the more horrid their contrast tends to get as the LCD just can't be opaque where you don't want backlighting. Basically, point being AMOLED is often equal or better to VERY VERY bright LCD's out doors simply because it can create extreme contrast variations and ends up not needing to over power the sun to the same degree as an LCD.
Click to expand...

The SGS3 doesn't seem equal to the GNex in sunlight performance, neither seems to match what the One X LCD can do.

I think that for the Fighter, it's going to be more about the specific panel that they choose rather than the technology.

In my opinion. ;) :)
 
I think we are gonna hear something this week moto announced 2 today the defy xt and the electrify 2 so that's all the carriers except Verizon
 
EarlyMon said:
The SGS3 doesn't seem equal to the GNex in sunlight performance, neither seems to match what the One X LCD can do.

I think that for the Fighter, it's going to be more about the specific panel that they choose rather than the technology.

In my opinion. ;) :)
Click to expand...

Oh, I agree. I was just pointing out that sunlight performance can't be checked properly without putting both in the sun mostly. And that which is brightest won't always translate to most sunlight readable even if it's the most important factor.

It really does seem that AMOLED in general can vary a lot on various performance metrics depending on some sorta design/pixel life parameters though where as LCD is more mature and you can design to some pretty specific performance requirements at the cost of fewer others. You can get extreme small pixels and similar brightness, contrast, and color for example and only cost some extra power and maybe thickness. With AMOLED it seems there is more of a box you are in and try to tweak to the corners of rather than almost being able to pick some specification never before bothered with out of the thin blue sky and go for it.

Now there are drawbacks obviously as can be seen with the latest iPad that got sorta huge compared to the previous in the effort to shoehorn a retina LCD AND LTE into it.
 
Doubting this is the shipping back cover so much as some value option to development devices. Not sure why the pattern even then though??
 
EarlyMon said:
First thing that I thought was that they will be selling an exciting new line of cases and covers! :D
Click to expand...

Hah. Yeah, particularly since this will be non-removable/replaceable so you would have to cover it. Earlier prototype leaks had a similar looking back cover, but apparently made of Kevlar. Somehow figuring that will be the final choice. Unless maybe some market's carriers are looking to save cost in that particular part and this is the alternative?

I do know a real composite/Kevlar part of this variety would be much more spendy to produce than the more flat with slight curve on one edge with metal surround part of the OG RAZR's. Those could have been laid up and cured as a big long sheet with multiple device widths down the length of the sheet and the radius on each long edge and width of two device lengths and then cut down to several devices after cure finished. This new back would seemingly take individual device layups.
 
keepfiring said:
RAZR HD Pictures Posted by XDA Member, Appears to be an International Variant – Droid Life

Bam! Front photos! ... and a back plate that only a mother could love
Click to expand...

1) The lettering "seems" pretty white to me. =LCD not AMOLED? Good for me.
2) The screen black seems more gray like an LCD not Amoled. Good for me.
Both are good signs for me as long as it is brighter than the S3.
d03624ab-13f7-ffef.jpg

3) The buttons look like touch keys, not on screen, not hardware. Good. I still like buttons myself. And, the button back ground black is not the same shade as the screen gray which leads me to believe they are not on screen buttons or the background black would be the same color. Good for me again.
4) The back IS fugly compared to the other leaked pictures. I don't think they would leave it with those holes either.
p22pv.jpg

5) Two usb ports? As mentioned earlier, probably usb and HDMI. Good.
6) Side bezel looks smaller/normal not huge like Razr. Good.
7) I like the size of the speaker grill. Hopefully it's loud!
I'll take it even if the back is fugly.
 
JeffSC said:
The fortunate thing is that VZW is not forcing those of us with unlimited that didn't pull the trigger to switch to the new plan. Every time I go online to look at upgrading it allows me to retain my current plan. Not sure how long it will last? And this does work because a friend of mine just did it a week ago purchasing the S III and keeping his unlimited data.
Click to expand...

Really.. That would be nice since I'm due for an upgrade, unfortunately last time I checked the Verizon website was down so I can't see if this is still true.


Edit: Well it doesn't seem to be available for me anymore, I get a pop-up window saying "Your unlimited data plan is no longer available"
 
serpa4 said:
I've tried both on full brightness. When I hold the DX and S3 side by side with google maps, I can see the thin gray roads on the DX much better than the S3.
Just for kicks, I went into VZW last week cause some one stated the Razr is brighter than the S3. I put a LCD test app on the RAZR and S3 and ran through solid colors of red, blue, green, black, and gray. The razr, to me, was noticably brighter. Enough for me to say I'll wait for the fighter over the S3 although both are nowhere near my DX.
Click to expand...

That would be a pretty good indicator that the S3 your comparing has something wrong with it. I did the same test with my S3 and and a razr in a corporate store and found the brightness of both to be the same.

I guess it depends on the user. We have opposite experiences. I found the S3 more usable and readable in pretty much any light. I still use my DX as a backup tablet for my Pioneer receiver and now when I look at it, the colors and contrast are so washed out it's almost difficult to look at now.
 
serpa4 said:
d03624ab-13f7-ffef.jpg

3) The buttons look like touch keys, not on screen, not hardware. Good. I still like buttons myself. And, the button back ground black is not the same shade as the screen gray which leads me to believe they are not on screen buttons or the background black would be the same color. Good for me again.
Click to expand...

I suspect that the buttons are on screen - compare the photo with the video playing in it, the three buttons have migrated to the top of the screen
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom