Discuss all Moto Droid Razr/Maxx HD rumors/release date/speculation/news

[jasaero]

Many thanks Jasaero. That was fabulous info.

Not a problem dude. I am a Moto fan from the OG Droid myself. I like how they just feel more substantial and expensive than most other brands. They also really do seem to have more reliable cellular connection, primarily at the limits of a signals ability to be usable.

I don't need the signal capability, but have some hope there will be something new and unique about the RAZR HD to get me excited about Motorola's future again. I am a sucker for big displays so probably could have ended up with the RAZR if it had been a larger display device while not being any bigger. Seemingly the large bezel was to hit that magically RAZR thinness to validate the naming. I am just confused why you focus so much on that aspect, but then leave a big hump for the camera?? Basically hoping some of these nuanced and somewhat intangible aspects of the RAZR's design that turned me off are somehow addressed by the HD.

Samsung is really hard to not prefer these days though if you want a big display and have a smartphone a lot more for the smart aspect than the phone aspect. And really with the SIII I think connectivity concerns most had with VZW GNex have probably been addressed by the use of a Qualcomm baseband. I just don't need a new device at the moment. Chances are though my wife and I will be looking more at Note variety devices by the time we are looking to replace ours hopefully. Maybe Moto will have an answer to that phablet segment by then?

 

[red66charger]

Yeah, when I saw all the press when Note launched I really wanted VZW to get it. I like big displays too. But someone in my office just got a Note on AT&T last month and I gotta say, it's too big for me. Didn't think I'd have that reaction.

You know if Samsung came out and said "Yes VZW customers, your Galaxy Nexus sucked. We understand your frustration. We promise you the SGSIII is awesome and you won't have the trouble with it you had with the Galaxy Nexus"...well then I might consider it. But that damn phone was frustrating. I'm starting to not trust user reviews. Too many...uh...I better stop there.

 

[jasaero]

Yeah, when I saw all the press when Note launched I really wanted VZW to get it. I like big displays too. But someone in my office just got a Note on AT&T last month and I gotta say, it's too big for me. Didn't think I'd have that reaction.

You know if Samsung came out and said "Yes VZW customers, your Galaxy Nexus sucked. We understand your frustration. We promise you the SGSIII is awesome and you won't have the trouble with it you had with the Galaxy Nexus"...well then I might consider it. But that damn phone was frustrating. I'm starting to not trust user reviews. Too many...uh...I better stop there.

Yeah. I know what you are saying. And I actually think there may have been some more quality sorta issue with the baseband or something on the GNex even on top of the fact it was just a weak component in the first place. I only say this because I have read things of issue with the GNex that I am pretty sure go way beyond anything I have experienced with mine and can't see any reason they would exaggerate such a thing.

Samsung's nonCDMA stuff has been a lot less of an issue and have given them plenty of business. They probably figure fessing up they offered halfazzed stuff to VZW and Sprint peeps prior to SGSIII would hurt the brand more where they have been fine than what it would be rewarded in sales of SGSIII on those networks. I totally understand how the GNex might really have soured many on Samsung though. I dread 3g only use on my GNex. Luckily I rarely have to worry about that as I have great LTE almost everywhere I frequent.

 

[IHateMyTreo]

Going to be disappointed if it is a 2530mAH non-removable battery.

Motorola Droid Razr HD / Vanquish / Fighter a.k.a XT926 Battery spec revealed | OmanDev

Hope they are wrong.

 

[jasaero]

Going to be disappointed if it is a 2530mAH non-removable battery.

Motorola Droid Razr HD / Vanquish / Fighter a.k.a XT926 Battery spec revealed | OmanDev

Hope they are wrong.

I wouldn't worry too much about this. It was discussed a few posts back. The 28nm Qualcomm SOC most likely getting used in this device should be MUCH more power efficient than the stuff used in RAZR and RAZR Maxx. So you should be getting better bang for your mah buck if you will. It's probably not quite going to match the Maxx, but doubt there will be many that feed the need for more after a hard day exploiting this device. I don't think it's a huge deal if there is no Maxx version when this is the standard battery, but there could be a Maxx version also I suppose, but 2530mah will be plenty sufficient enough that most aren't going to raise pitchforks when/if a Maxx version is eventually offered.

My guess is this is a choice to keep the RAZR HD true to the RAZR aspect of the name while also making a Maxx version less necessary. Can't really criticize this at all if it's the standard size, and this is brilliant if there is a Maxx with closer to 4000mah than 3300mah.

 

[dirkbonn]

Going to be disappointed if it is a 2530mAH non-removable battery.

Motorola Droid Razr HD / Vanquish / Fighter a.k.a XT926 Battery spec revealed | OmanDev

Hope they are wrong.

I heard/read some time back that the 2nd generation LTE radios would be much more efficient when it comes to thier power consumption. Therefore a 2530mAh battery should be roughly the equivalent of a 3300mAh battery in a phone with 1st generation radios.

However, I would still prefer a removable/replacable battery. :smokingsomb:

 

[jasaero]

I heard/read some time back that the 2nd generation LTE radios would be much more efficient when it comes to thier power consumption. Therefore a 2530mAh battery should be roughly the equivalent of a 3300mAh battery in a phone with 1st generation radios.

However, I would still prefer a removable/replacable battery. :smokingsomb:

This is true. This will be pretty firm for standby battery life, but most are hoping for a larger display and it may also return to a nonpentile LCD that would possible suck a decent bit more juice than pentile or AMOLED. So I tend to see this size choice as mostly a middle ground that will be plenty to keep most going all day rather than something that will really match the Maxx with lots of screen on time sorta heavy usage.

 

[servo086]

Do you guys think this will be an option for the HD?
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[Deleted User]

Do you guys think this will be an option for the HD?
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[ONJFan]

My first smartphone was the Orig Droid Inc and the same one I am still using, have never used another phone. Since my contract has expired and I'm over 2 yrs, I am seriously thinking of getting a little larger screen for my next phone.

I'm so use to my 3.7 Amoled screen, so clear and crisp. I thought I'd jump on the new Inc 4G but realize that 3.7 to 4.0 is not really much difference.

I was thinking of the Razr Maxx because it's amoled which I am use to but am concerned the pixel is not as high as it could be and some reviews say text is not so crisp. I love the fact it has the 3300mh battery. The most important thing to me for my next phone is battery.

I was wondering if I should wait for the Razr HD or just get the Razr Maxx. I just don't want a phone that is too big such as the S3. I also don't want to get the Maxx because the phone has been out for awhile and want to get somewhat newer specs. I went to Verizon and played with the Razr Maxx, compared to my Inc1 is did feel bigger but after playing with it for almost 10 mins it didn't seem so big after all. I never thought I'd say I want a larger phone but 3.7 is getting a little tiny for my eyes but 4.8 is too big for my pocket.

Do you think the Razr HD will be about the same size as the Razr Maxx in terms of physical size (not screen) but size of the phone width/height?

 

[Deleted User]

My first smartphone was the Orig Droid Inc and the same one I am still using, have never used another phone. Since my contract has expired and I'm over 2 yrs, I am seriously thinking of getting a little larger screen for my next phone.

I'm so use to my 3.7 Amoled screen, so clear and crisp. I thought I'd jump on the new Inc 4G but realize that 3.7 to 4.0 is not really much difference.

I was thinking of the Razr Maxx because it's amoled which I am use to but am concerned the pixel is not as high as it could be and some reviews say text is not so crisp. I love the fact it has the 3300mh battery. The most important thing to me for my next phone is battery.

I was wondering if I should wait for the Razr HD or just get the Razr Maxx. I just don't want a phone that is too big such as the S3. I also don't want to get the Maxx because the phone has been out for awhile and want to get somewhat newer specs. I went to Verizon and played with the Razr Maxx, compared to my Inc1 is did feel bigger but after playing with it for almost 10 mins it didn't seem so big after all. I never thought I'd say I want a larger phone but 3.7 is getting a little tiny for my eyes but 4.8 is too big for my pocket.

Do you think the Razr HD will be about the same size as the Razr Maxx in terms of physical size (not screen) but size of the phone width/height?

When phones get this big, a mm isn't going to make a difference really. Maxx, HD, S3, are all just big phones. It comes down to you just holding the device. The S3 is comfortable, my wife's max is pretty square. The HD looks nice from the back, rounded. It might be a decent profile.
2550 in the HD with the S4 chip should be plenty and fair nicely with the Maxx. I'll probably buy it, but I'll still complain about it not being removable.

 

[jasaero]

My first smartphone was the Orig Droid Inc and the same one I am still using, have never used another phone. Since my contract has expired and I'm over 2 yrs, I am seriously thinking of getting a little larger screen for my next phone.

I'm so use to my 3.7 Amoled screen, so clear and crisp. I thought I'd jump on the new Inc 4G but realize that 3.7 to 4.0 is not really much difference.

I was thinking of the Razr Maxx because it's amoled which I am use to but am concerned the pixel is not as high as it could be and some reviews say text is not so crisp. I love the fact it has the 3300mh battery. The most important thing to me for my next phone is battery.

I was wondering if I should wait for the Razr HD or just get the Razr Maxx. I just don't want a phone that is too big such as the S3. I also don't want to get the Maxx because the phone has been out for awhile and want to get somewhat newer specs. I went to Verizon and played with the Razr Maxx, compared to my Inc1 is did feel bigger but after playing with it for almost 10 mins it didn't seem so big after all. I never thought I'd say I want a larger phone but 3.7 is getting a little tiny for my eyes but 4.8 is too big for my pocket.

Do you think the Razr HD will be about the same size as the Razr Maxx in terms of physical size (not screen) but size of the phone width/height?

No one has a clue on this aspect yet. Have you played with an S3 though?? It's about the same size as a RAZR Maxx. I haven't yet, but this review here has plenty of pictorial size comparisons and it looks VERY close to the same size as the Maxx. The RAZR's are HUGE surface area wise for only having 4.3" screen because they have LOTs and LOTs of bezel. The S3 is 2 tenths of an inch taller and not quite a tenth of an inch wider, but it has rounder corners so my impression is it would fit hands and pockets just as easily as the RAZR Maxx 99% of the time.

Samsung Galaxy S III vs Motorola DROID RAZR MAXX

 

[jasaero]

When phones get this big, a mm isn't going to make a difference really. Maxx, HD, S3, are all just big phones. It comes down to you just holding the device. The S3 is comfortable, my wife's max is pretty square. The HD looks nice from the back, rounded. It might be a decent profile.
2550 in the HD with the S4 chip should be plenty and fair nicely with the Maxx. I'll probably buy it, but I'll still complain about it not being removable.

Exactly and this is the WHOLE reason I am curios about the screen size on the RAZR HD. They will NOT go much bigger than S3 in overall size I do not believe. But I for the life of me can't decide if that means 4.5" screen or 4.8" or what as it will have the ICS onscreen nav stuff and it will HAVE to be bigger than 4.3 due to that. But to have a 4.7" screen even with nav buttons, but then be the same size as the SIII over all would be a good bit less screen and just as much device to shoehorn in a pocket.

 

[jasaero]

The two pictures from my earlier posted review that say it all.

Seem so close in size as devices, but screen size comparison alone in dark is so massively different in a way you could almost swear it was not the same two devices.

 

[sorka]

No one has a clue on this aspect yet. Have you played with an S3 though?? It's about the same size as a RAZR Maxx. I haven't yet, but this review here has plenty of pictorial size comparisons and it looks VERY close to the same size as the Maxx. The RAZR's are HUGE surface area wise for only having 4.3" screen because they have LOTs and LOTs of bezel. The S3 is 2 tenths of an inch taller and not quite a tenth of an inch wider, but it has rounder corners so my impression is it would fit hands and pockets just as easily as the RAZR Maxx 99% of the time.

Samsung Galaxy S III vs Motorola DROID RAZR MAXX

That's why I couldn't get the Razr. It reminds me of the old plasma tvs with the 6" bezels. The sales guy in the corporate store kept saying "but look how thin it is", and I kept saying "but see how big it looks."

 

[jasaero]

That's why I couldn't get the Razr. It reminds me of the old plasma tvs with the 6" bezels. The sales guy in the corporate store kept saying "but look how thin it is", and I kept saying "but see how big it looks."

Yeah. It really wasn't the greatest device design in the sorts of compromises they made. And too me the thinness was silly also as it still had the camera hump, yet the camera in the hump is nothing special at all compared to the devices it was competing with. I would have SORTA got it if it didn't have the camera hump, but would still been with you saying "but look how big it looks". And the squareness of it just makes it even worse when trying to use it one handed. That squareness is fine in a tiny device like the iPhone, but ergonomic shapes are needed as you get toward the limits of hand size.

 

[ONJFan]

This is what I meant to say, when I was trying out the Razr Maxx at the Verizon store, I noticed right away that there was too much bezel surrounding the screen. Maybe it's because of the large mh battery but for the size of the phone it didn't match up with the size of the screen. When they designed it they could have actually made the phone smaller in dimensions while keeping the same 4.3 screen.

Do we know if the Razr HD will correct this?

 

[jasaero]

This is what I meant to say, when I was trying out the Razr Maxx at the Verizon store, I noticed right away that there was too much bezel surrounding the screen. Maybe it's because of the large mh battery but for the size of the phone it didn't match up with the size of the screen. When they designed it they could have actually made the phone smaller in dimensions while keeping the same 4.3 screen.

Do we know if the Razr HD will correct this?

No clue on that yet for certain, but the pictures of the RAZR HD Droid-Life was forced to take down seem as thick or maybe even a bit thicker than the RAZR Maxx. We now know it only has a 2530mah battery though. This could mean it has improved that aspect. They also seem to have moved USB and HDMI to the side again also and that may be the reason for the smaller battery. So who knows. That seemed to be a common compliant about RAZR though so I would think they would have tried to improve that aspect. Somehow doubt it has caught upto Samsung on minimal bezel though.

 

[OfTheDamned]

This is what I meant to say, when I was trying out the Razr Maxx at the Verizon store, I noticed right away that there was too much bezel surrounding the screen. Maybe it's because of the large mh battery but for the size of the phone it didn't match up with the size of the screen. When they designed it they could have actually made the phone smaller in dimensions while keeping the same 4.3 screen.

Do we know if the Razr HD will correct this?

The Atrix HD is just about the same size and has a larger screen so you know the bezel is thinner.

 

[Deleted User]

As far as brightness goes all the current Moto phones with Amoled are pretty bright. Razr and Maxx have nice displays.



So, maybe I was wrong about that. Maybe they are starting to use LCD now.

With the developer S3 coming and the Fighter not having a date on the wall, I went to the VZW store "again" to play with the S3. It's parked next to a Razr. I put the same color LCD app on both phones and cycled through red, blue, green, gray, and black. The Razr is noticeably brighter than the S3. So, learned three things:
1) Hate to say, I won't do the S3 developer for sure. The screen is too dim.
2) If the Fighter is the same as the Razr, it will be better than the S3 which is good. Not on par with my DX LCD, but it makes me feel better none the less. If the Fighter goes LCD, all the better. I've always wanted a nice black screen from Amoled, but have now determined that brightness tops blackness.
3) Now I'm forced to wait for the hopefully better Fighter. The S3, the Almost Phone.

 

[Deleted User]

What this picture shows me is the Razr screen is larger than the Atrix HD. Why? If the tops are aligned, and you look at the display and compare the size based on the on screen displayed area and NOT the space consumed by the Atrix soft keys....the Razr is larger. I know everyone wants soft keys as Google intended, but it makes the displays smaller since the soft keys consume valuable space.

 

[OfTheDamned]

What this picture shows me is the Razr screen is larger than the Atrix HD. Why? If the tops are aligned, and you look at the display and compare the size based on the on screen displayed area and NOT the space consumed by the Atrix soft keys....the Razr is larger. I know everyone wants soft keys as Google intended, but it makes the displays smaller since the soft keys consume valuable space.

This is always going to be the case with the soft keys. The only time they go away is during videos and some games. A 4.5" screen will typically become a 4.3" or 4.2" screen with soft keys.

The benefit of the soft keys is that much like other things they can be modified. If you want the search icon, it can be added. Want to change the order of the keys? You can. Want to change the way the keys look? You can do that too. It is more or less just an extra bit of customization that can be done on the phone.

 

[ONJFan]

Wow, your right, seeing it in pics like this those soft keys do take up vaulable screen space. I noticed this the first time ICS came out and thinking why are we losing screen space with keys like this?

I like the dedicated fixed keys on the Razr Maxx a bit better but realize this was needed for GB.

I think the Atrix HD is a pretty nice looking phone, if I was on ATT, I'd be tempted to get it.

 

[jasaero]

This is always going to be the case with the soft keys. The only time they go away is during videos and some games. A 4.5" screen will typically become a 4.3" or 4.2" screen with soft keys.

The benefit of the soft keys is that much like other things they can be modified. If you want the search icon, it can be added. Want to change the order of the keys? You can. Want to change the way the keys look? You can do that too. It is more or less just an extra bit of customization that can be done on the phone.

I agree, but if you get a locked and encrypted BL and really zero support for custom builds of Android they aren't that easily modded. I'm sure they can be with just root, but not a huge fan of having to hack such mods into a factory build.

Also, I tend to feel if you do want to go this route you need to try and fit a larger screen than intended competitors. This was the case with the GNex. GNex was also intended to be easily modded as you point out from the get go.

 

[jasaero]

With the developer S3 coming and the Fighter not having a date on the wall, I went to the VZW store "again" to play with the S3. It's parked next to a Razr. I put the same color LCD app on both phones and cycled through red, blue, green, gray, and black. The Razr is noticeably brighter than the S3. So, learned three things:
1) Hate to say, I won't do the S3 developer for sure. The screen is too dim.
2) If the Fighter is the same as the Razr, it will be better than the S3 which is good. Not on par with my DX LCD, but it makes me feel better none the less. If the Fighter goes LCD, all the better. I've always wanted a nice black screen from Amoled, but have now determined that brightness tops blackness.
3) Now I'm forced to wait for the hopefully better Fighter. The S3, the Almost Phone.

In general I like LCD better also, but not really for brightness. I find that AMOLED's superior contrast means it needs FAR less brightness to match LCD outdoor readability. I just like LCD better because they seem to have more accurate color and are capable of better resolution than my eyes can resolve.