corymcnutt
Newbie
Verizon just got the iPhone - why would they want to take a chance on the Bionic competing against iPhone sales, or take a chance on those that buy an iPhone bringing them back in 30 days to exchange once the Bionic comes out?
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Droid Bionic launching late April
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SirKronan
Android Expert
They're targeting completely different markets. That might be part of the reason, but it can't be the whole reason. I can't imaging someone clamoring for an iPhone on Verizon suddenly falling in love with this gigantic beast of a device instead. On the same note, I can't imagine super high powered corporate users needing state of the art dual core powerhouse phones with HDMI out, including 1080p mirroring, ever giving the iPhone more than a cursory glance.
iPhone's targets, specifically on Verizon:
1. Verizon users clamoring for an iPhone on their network
2. AT&T users clamoring for an iPhone NOT on their network
3. Potentially disgruntled android, blackberry or windows mobile users who continue to receive not only less selection of apps available for their phones, but also not having access to some high grade ones that continue to be only available in Apple's app store. Android continues to catch up, and many people say that Apple's advantage is merely a numerical one because of all the fart apps and such, but there are still major and popular titles that are a long way yet from coming to android. It will only get better, but some don't want to buy a nice phone now, and have to wait for their favorite apps to finally make it to their device.
Bionic's targets:
1. People upgrading from the Droid X, or perhaps one of the keyboarded droids who have become more comfortable with touch screens.
2. Business and working folk that need the HDMI out
3. Gamers - Tegra 2 does very well in gaming benchmarks, even though software still doesn't yet take proper advantage of dual core
4. Motorola's reputation for great signal strength, call quality, and battery life - the Bionic and Atrix are getting monster batteries.
5. And just anyone wanting a powerhouse phone
Totally different targets. One could also wonder why they're releasing the Thunderbolt this month too, and again the answer would be the same - totally different targets.
BlueIce5249
Android Expert
I think it's fair to say the majority of people know they're either getting an i*hone or a Droid. And I agree that they target totally different demographics. But lets be totally honest here, 90% of people out their couldn't tell you the difference between the thunderbolt and a Droid 1. They don't care enough to know the difference and 1 Droid will be just as good as the next. (i.e. my girlfriend, if you handed her a Droid it honestly wouldn't take much convincing to get her to believe it's a new i*hone lol) She doesn't care about technology and doesn't have the slightest bit of interest in learning about it. If her phone can text and call people, it serves its purpose.
Anywho, I think that's the way most people getting smartphones now are. All Verizon is doing now is catering to upgraders. So it really doesn't make sense they would wait until after the i*hone to release the Bionic. I don't understand that argument.
Anywho, I think that's the way most people getting smartphones now are. All Verizon is doing now is catering to upgraders. So it really doesn't make sense they would wait until after the i*hone to release the Bionic. I don't understand that argument.
SirKronan
Android Expert
I don't think that's why either. It's simply verizon's pattern. AT&T releases new iPhone 4. VZ releases it later. Every other carrier releases a Galaxy S device - Verizon is the last one to do so. AT&T launches a Tegra 2 device. Verizon plans to much later. There are exclusives and exceptions, but it seems that Verizon is always the last to get the latest technology. One of the reasons they use to justify this is that they have a longer and more rigorous testing cycle than other carriers in order to ensure customers with a quality experience.
Depth Afield
Well-Known Member
Sorry if I do not buy this 100%, and I am a longtime mac fan. Those who want an android are going to get an android, regardless if a new mac phone comes out. Perhaps they should have more faith in the i*hone, otherwise, why was there such a bug push to get it?
They are drawing i*hone users over from ATT's crappy network. I doubt very much that those people will suddenly think "hey, why not drop the iPhone and grab an android now?".
This may be the "reasoning", but it is flawed reasoning. It is only pissing off folks who want android.
BlueIce5249
Android Expert
Never noticed that, damn lol. Maybe I'll have to SPRINT over to a new carrier.
Ok, there's my bad joke for the day
Yet Verizon had the first Android 2.0 device and will have the first Android 3.0 device. They had the far better of the first snapdragon android phones.
Also maybe Sprint (though how many Samsung sliders can you want?), but no other carrier has as good of an Android lineup as Verizon.
Personally I'm happy Verizon cares more about the network then their phones.
Depth Afield
Well-Known Member
These two things should really go hand in hand. Not an either-or.
Mrwirez
Member
I agree with you! I WANT A GOOGLE EXPERIENCE, PLAIN-JANE, VANILLA, ANDROID, -SMART PHONE!!!!
Verizon will not give us one. THAT SUCKS! I would switch to any other carrier that comes out with one as beefy as the Bionic will be.. Motorola screwed up with Blur and locked bootloaders imo... Does any manufacturer not see what loads of customers want? Stupid!!!!
-Btw I live in Pittsburgh, congrats to the Packers... Nobody hates the Packers in Pittsburgh, like the Pats, Ravens and Cowboys.. I was a little bummed, but hey turnovers are not championship caliber.. Steelers choked.
Depth Afield
Well-Known Member
"Loads" ≠ "majority" or even a significant %.
Just saying.
PS: Pittsburgh really should not have made it to the super bowl.
<-- Also from Pittsburgh
Crude
Android Expert
I think Verizons "more rigorous testing" IS just them making sure their VZ Nav, visual VM and tethering work and cannot be circumvented. All of these go away with ROOT.
I think a lot of people ( we are talking about average joes, without allegiance to any particular OS ) take a look and see that the Ihpone is going to cost you a lot more in the long run. I mean the closest thing to Google navigator is tom tom for the iphone (correct me if I'm wrong) and that's a $100 piece of software last I heard and it still doesn't do what google nav does. Add to that the fact that nearly every useful app costs money and it scares people away. Why would verizon try and "apple" their customers by nickel and dimming them to death anyway....?
Disclaimer: Clearly I know almost nothing about the itunes and it's apps. I can barely keep up with what google is up to these day and I'm not trying to intentionally be misleading. IF something in reguards to itunes isn't right feel free to say something...PLEASE.
SirKronan
Android Expert
This is the one exception, and it's simply because Motorola and Verizon have been in bed together quite solidly since the whole "droid does" campaign started. And now that VZ has the iPhone, looks like Motorola is going back into delay mode again, with the exception of their overpriced tablet. Hard to call it overpriced when it very little competition, but $800 for a tab just seems exceptionally hard to swallow.
Let's hope for the LG Revolution then!! I'm sure it will have Bing, but we already know how to get rid of that.
I guarantee you this is part of it. They need time to load up their spyware just like everyone else these days. What really pissed me off with the Fascinate is that they can spend all that time and effort putting VZ Nav, Bing Maps, Bing Search, and a few crappy trial games on it, but they can't make video output work, or calendars, or proper google account integration. Sad.
While we are debating on the 1G vs 512Mb in Atrix/Bionic and if it's really useful or not, LG surprised me with their Optimus 3D with massive 4Gb of dual channel LP DDR2 RAM combined with OPMAP4 dual core processor. I guess its 1500mAh battery will take some punishment for running 3Ds, but for other stuffs it's fine probably.
Even if you don't care about 3D stuffs it's touting, it's still very impressive super-phone though I still prefer Galaxy S2 in form factor, screen wise.
Even if you don't care about 3D stuffs it's touting, it's still very impressive super-phone though I still prefer Galaxy S2 in form factor, screen wise.
BlueIce5249
Android Expert
Anyone take notice of the QUAD CORE by Qualcomm with each fore running at 2.5GHZ EACH?!?!
Changing the game.
Changing the game.
SirKronan
Android Expert
I find myself wishing that the LG Revolution for Verizon will be more like this, and less like what's indicated so far - simply an LG version of the Thunderbolt w/HDMI. Can't hurt to wish, right?
I think LG Revolution is just that, Thunderbolt w/HDMI, the same 2nd gen 1Ghz Snapdragon. Maybe it has better LCD too. Just don't know when it will hit Verizon store. I wish for Verizon to get one of LG's dual core phones too.
cybercruiser
Android Enthusiast
But, what will be the first high end phone with the 2.5Ghz Quad-core??
Would love to have that, but don't want to wait forever for it.