Speculation is for those who don't know the truth.
I know. You'll find out.
All I can say.
Whether you want / need 4G or not is your call.
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Droid Bionic or Samsung Galaxy S II?
- Thread starter droidfan1
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I know. You'll find out.
All I can say.
Whether you want / need 4G or not is your call.
SirKronan
Android Expert
What about the Bionic's bootloader? That's honestly more important than LTE to me ....
almahix
Android Enthusiast
Well, I don't about the rest of you, but I'm sold. So authoritative ! Uh huh.
johnlgalt
Antidisestablishmentarian
Guys, before doubting some of the posters on here, do realize that ther eare a *LOT* of really good inside connections in these forums. A lot. This plcae would not be as big as it is if not for hte true, factual information tha is disseminated.
If his statements prove false, feel free to weigh in then - otherwise let's stick to the topic, and pick one or the other of the phones, without devolving the conversation into "Liar liar, pants on fire"4th grade stuff, K?
FWIW - IDGAF about LTE as much as I do other features, so the Bionic is going to have to be one incredibly *powerful* phone, and better damn well have 2G of RAM on it or I simply will not buy it. Period. Of cours, if VZW gets a crippled SGSII then I'm gonna be incensed....
If his statements prove false, feel free to weigh in then - otherwise let's stick to the topic, and pick one or the other of the phones, without devolving the conversation into "Liar liar, pants on fire"4th grade stuff, K?
FWIW - IDGAF about LTE as much as I do other features, so the Bionic is going to have to be one incredibly *powerful* phone, and better damn well have 2G of RAM on it or I simply will not buy it. Period. Of cours, if VZW gets a crippled SGSII then I'm gonna be incensed....
1GB of ram Bionic will have.
Plenty good for most uses.
Of course, it has 1GB because it is meant to power a laptop . . .
Hmm, just curious. Are you Motorola insider at high level? The way you are talking feels like that.
SirKronan
Android Expert
Releasing it locked is semi-understandable, especially from my "favorite" new expensive tyrant cellphone company Verizon
(sorry for the barb, but I have been with them for nigh a decade, both on the reseller front and customer front, and they have slowly degraded a bit from the company I really came to admire for quite some time...) Anyways, silly rant aside, the Atrix has some leaked 2.3 goodness that will apparently unlock it for the dev. community. I don't want this ability to hack my phone in order to pirate software OR data. I really just want custom ROMs and the ability to get rid of any and all bloat I see fit, and tweak the living daylights out of it like I do my Fascinate.Atrix 4G bootloader unlocked: you can hack it up today or wait for official Gingerbread update -- Engadget
If we can expect "Atrix treatment" with a future update from Moto, which would be inline with the intentions they have been conveying to be more open and loyal to some of their most faithful following, then the Bionic might edge out the SGSII variant and win me back to Moto's field.
If not, despite a lack of LTE, Verizon's SGSII variant might still win, although I find a lack of LTE on that device to be puzzling beyond belief ... downright stupid, despite LTE being quite limited. I still suppose leaving LTE out is better than destroying the device's battery life, form factor, and removing features, all of which would probably have to have been done in order to accommodate current gen LTE hardware.
Sorry for all the questions, the rant, and the speculation. I guess I can simply boil it down to two real questions I have:
1. Can we expect a future unlock like the Atrix is getting for some dev love?
2. Has the unlocked nature of the SGSII been a factor in how long it's taking for VZ/Samsung to negotiate the device's release? I remember hearing about VZ/Apple control fights regarding the iPhone back in the day...
1GB of ram Bionic will have.
Plenty good for most uses.
Of course, it has 1GB because it is meant to power a laptop . . .
Great tips!! I thank you for all the info. I anticipate the excitement of powering it's own webtop/laptop dock will be somewhat hampered by Verizon charging that mandatory additional tethering fee for that functionality just as sATanT&T does, however. I really hope they don't. If they don't, I will be extremely impressed with them once again.
Debo 19832003
Newbie
Looks like the bionic wont be coming out aug 4th after all
Motorola Mobility CEO says Droid Bionic coming in September | Android Central
Motorola Mobility CEO says Droid Bionic coming in September | Android Central
Want me to make a new account and start talking like he is?
Would hold the same weight if I refused to divulge my sources.
I am taking this guys word with less trust than I would the tabloids.
rushmore
Extreme Android User
Well, the good news is all the SGS2 push backs could mean VZW is making Samsung add LTE to the SGS2. This would mean a little thicker device, but another dual core 4G option besides the Droid Nukem.
Makes sense for the SGS2 to have LTE, if VZW wants a big push for the tech. The Moto and Sammy devices would do some good pushing.
Makes sense for the SGS2 to have LTE, if VZW wants a big push for the tech. The Moto and Sammy devices would do some good pushing.
SirKronan
Android Expert
Wow. Verizon + Moto used to = WIN. (Queue trademark "droid" sound.)
Now Verizon + Moto = FAIL. Announced in January, released in September?? I wish I wasn't stuck on contract with these bozorks. Now Yoda's saying no 4G on the SGSII variant. If he's right, and the Sept. release date is also correct, Verizon is the biggest tech failure in the world right now. They are basically the largest phone company in the world still selling the oldest tech phones. T-Mobile, Sprint, AND AT&T are ALL ahead of Verizon right now.
BTW, I'm not saying I unequivocally give YodaDroid complete trust on every word he types, but until he does something to steer me wrong, why not give him the benefit of the doubt? If some of his info ends up being wrong, we can call him out on it, but until then, why hate?
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HanSolo
Guest
BTW, I'm not saying I unequivo
Don't get us wrong, Sir Kronan, we are very much entertained by Yoda. It's just that whatever he says we tend to take with a grain of salt. No wait, we tend to take it like as if we were standing underneath a chute leading from a water tower filled with nothing but salt, and then someone pulls the switch and we're smothered in it.
For what it's worth, people on the Function forum are saying that the SGSII is coming out with LTE in Korea. Contrary to what Yoda might tell you, Korea is a fairly large piece of land.
The reasoning is that if LTE is coming out there, then they must have figured out a way to fit the LTE chip inside the phone without completely destroying the design.
In any case, each one must make their own decision on what to spend their hard-earned money on, of course. The best case scenario, though, would be not to get carried away based on false rumors and then really regret your decision. That's what I'm trying to avoid, anyway.
This is my feeling as well. It's very unfortunate. They make great quality products within their range. But if they keep going at this rate, that would be like saying RCA made the best VCR's.
magdelaine
Android Enthusiast
No hate here, but seriously? It's just farting in an elevator to say that you "know" something but can't divulge the source. And why isn't he posting his wisdom in the Function forum?
Anywho, from everything I've seen I believe SGS2 Function will be 4G. I'm thinking 90% certainty at this point. If it's not included, the device will be a fail for Verizon. However, I will probably get it anyway as my area won't have LTE for another 2 years and I love the AMOLED screen. Pentile matrix, not so much.
In fact, if it is 3G then great for me b/c they'll have to price it cheaper.
Anywho, from everything I've seen I believe SGS2 Function will be 4G. I'm thinking 90% certainty at this point. If it's not included, the device will be a fail for Verizon. However, I will probably get it anyway as my area won't have LTE for another 2 years and I love the AMOLED screen. Pentile matrix, not so much.
In fact, if it is 3G then great for me b/c they'll have to price it cheaper.
SirKronan
Android Expert
Yeah, I really couldn't care less about the LTE. Better without it in my opinion. Thinner, lighter, better battery life and reliability = WIN. LTE for now = lose in my book. I still can't get it, for at least another year, and the tech is still very immature. Yes, it's painfully fast, but I'd rather have a blisteringly fast device. I can always hop on WiFi when I want to consume larger chunks of data more quickly. When I'm on the road, I don't need streaming netflix and youtube. I need email, calendar, occasionally Pandora, and web access. All of that stuff flies just fine and speedy on 3G. Anywhere I can actually picture myself sitting down to watch a movie on my phone will have WiFi - home, office, both parents' homes, pretty much every home in my family has WiFi. LTE would do me no good. It would just take up space and suck battery. I think it's stupid. I'd rather have HSPA+ on a state of the art phone one a different network, honestly. HSPA+ is still worlds faster than Verizon's 3G, and plenty sufficient to stream Netflix. Heck, I don't even have netflix. Their streaming library needs to grow somewhat before I jump on.
As far as having to report your source, I will argue against that logic. I have been given tidbits of insider information when I worked in the tech/retail industry in the past and been requested specifically not to reveal my source. Sometimes if you reveal a source, that source disappears. Remember that. It's one of the unwritten rules you may need to learn to follow if you're ever in the position of an "insider" for a company.
BlueBiker
Android Expert
So get an LTE device and click the setting to keep it in CDMA mode for the time being. Voila, you've got your battery life and reliability back.
Charge works that way and it's neat feature. But it remains to be seen if Bionic will have that setting as well.
I truly hate this mentality...
I buy a phone with a specific function, in this case LTE, and to get it to last longer you have to turn it off???
This makes no sense, phone manufacturer's need to get their crap under control and make their phone so it can handle the functions it is sold with, it is outrageous to think I have to sacrifice something I paid for for the damn phone to last a full day.
J
BlueBiker
Android Expert
High power often comes with a price, and it's great when products are flexible enough to let you optimize for economy on those occasions when you need it or when the full power can't be exploited.
If manufacturers delayed their phones long enough to meet the functional ideals you want to see at a price you're willing to pay, you wouldn't buy them because they'd be obsolete and you'd go buy something else.
SirKronan
Android Expert
The Galaxy S II sold overseas literally has it all. Up to 21Mbps transfer speeds, gorgeous screen, most powerful smartphone CPU you can buy (watch videos or go test one in person if you know someone lucky enough to own one to see how liquid smooth and fast it is, even burdened with open apps), great battery life, AND a thinner form factor than an iPhone 4. The HSPA+ technology is extremely efficient and mature, to the point of near integration with the SoC. LTE needs to be there to compete. Plain and simple. Until you can balance good form factors and power requirements with all that speed, you are making THREE tradeoffs to get Verizon's LTE benefits.
1. Heat (even with single cores, Verizon's LTE phones are among the hottest, especially the first one - the Thunderbolt)
2. Size/weight - only the Charge is fairly lightweight, and you still have a thicker phone than the Fascinate while possessing EXACTLY the same processor power. Which is sad.
3. Battery life - this is the biggest drawback. Folks have to TURN OFF an essential selling point function of the device to get it to last a day with moderate to heavy use. SAD SAD SAD and just plain BASS ACKWARDS.
I would take an HSPA+ device with still triple to quadruple Verizon's best 3G speeds but that absolutely NAILS every single other smartphone aspect ANY DAY over an LTE device with YESTERDAY's CPU while still having below average battery life.
You shouldn't have to rob Timmy, Peter, and Bob to pay Paul. Maybe sacrificing one aspect to benefit another is understandable. You can't have everything, right?
But today's LTE phones on Verizon make you sacrifice WAY TOO MUCH just to have LTE. Sorry for the caps typing. Ok, I'm not sorry. I am yelling those things because I'm very upset about where Verizon is at right now, and pissed off to no end that I'm still stuck in a contract with them. The Sensation is a beautiful dual core NON pentile qHD device on a network that charges less than Verizon for very competitive speeds. That device really gets it all right, nearly as well as the SGSII. Even the EVO 3D is better than anything Verizon has by quite a margin. AT&T has the Atrix and the G2.
If this were an openly competitive market like many countries have over seas rather than a near duopoly that we have here, they would have to be more competitive. Verizon is simply not competitive anymore. They went crazy at first with the "Droid Does" campaign, and I thought that times were changing, but now their back to their old ways.
And competing networks have finally advanced to truly provide nationwide coverage. Yes, Verizon's is still the best, but not by anywhere near the advantage they used to have over the others.
This is not a rant do to a diluded sense of self-entitlement. It's more of a rant of the growing anti-competitive state the United States' cellular network is in. And this anti-competitive state is trying to get worse as quickly as possible.
jradicle11
That Guy
I wish there was a "Whichever is released first" option.