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Droid vs Eris Pics & Video

No doubt... but take some in average evening room lighting that is sufficient for a cheap snappy cam or decent cameraphone and the droid is BLACK.

I'm not so sure about that, and I have f/1.4 glass for my dslrs.

In any situation like that you have to control the lighting... oh wait there's a flash to help!

Sure it's a little noisy, but noise reduction programs can take care of this, just like... well you get the point, don't make me spell it out :)
 
That's his problem. He wants a 7D video capabilities in his DROID. Ain't going to happen.

Jesus. I have at least 60Grr in all those video cams and still cams thats what Ive done for a living full time for the last 5 years and am recognized as among the best in the world at what I do, and I am a technogeek as well so I am not naive here.

By you continuing to defend a defective software and eggagerating it even more by saying it's not going to be like a 5DMKII or 7D is just absurd. Anyone who says the camera software is not significantly flawed to the point that it should not have been released the way it was is really delusional.

Of course the lower the light gets the noiser the image. Of course the more megapixels the smaller the photosites and the less sensitivity. I know those discussions in depth. I posted the video.... The Eris has the same megapixel rating but lower video recording capability but i am not even referring to the image quality as much as when you move to the light the virtual iris closes when you move to the dark the iris opens. That is BASIC at a certain light threshold the droid does the opposite. I assume because it is calculating the flash value, but there is NO flash value. FAIL. Should have been OTA fixed within the first few days and certainly before everyone's 30 day eval was up......
 
I'm not so sure about that, and I have f/1.4 glass for my dslrs.

In any situation like that you have to control the lighting... oh wait there's a flash to help!

Sure it's a little noisy, but noise reduction programs can take care of this, just like... well you get the point, don't make me spell it out :)


Dude.. come on.. you're killing me. Yeah.. I've got a 50MM 1.4 and 70-200MM 2.8 and 85MM 1.2 I can take pics with those in 1/4 that light level or less without flash and they are clean and amazing pics. BUT IM NOT USING THOSE AS REFERENCE.

I put a reference the freaking ERIS took them one right after the other from the couch with no changes a 150W incan on the cieling and 60W equiv compact flourescent ot my left, plenty of light for an evening snap with the most basics of snappy cams. Do i need to get out the touch pro and mogul? They are bright and visible albeit slow shutter where the droid is BLACK. Maybe that is just on the 2 droids i have had, but i seriously doubt it.
 
After seeing those it kinda bums me out because I actually almost bought the Eris.

BUT...I really don't use the camera all that much if at all.

Plus I use the slide out keyboard on the Droid more then I would use the camera on the Eris.
 
he's on a quest to nitpick the shortcomings to death while simultaneously downplaying anything and everything the Droid does right.

Anyone that's spent any amount of time with the Eris will tell you there are plenty of issues below it's "pretty face" as well.


You haven't read all of my posts...

Eris has plenty of probs, primarily it's proc & battery life although at least twice as good as a touch pro in the battery life.

The marriage of Eris' software features with MotoDroid's hardware would actually be very close to the device that they are currently marketing the droid to be and certainly a potnetial iphone killer in the actual device dept. And again my frustration is with the fact that this should have been evident from the outset. Should it have not???
 
complain more.

Don't complain and you get the status quo of mediocrity. Who cares if they sell 800K units if people are going to return them? The execs get fat quarterly bonuses for inflated sales figures then gets fired and usually gets paid off to leave and the company goes out of biz or "restructures" and the stockholders who back it all get the shaft in their hand and wallet.
 
...The marriage of Eris' software features with MotoDroid's hardware would actually be very close to the device that they are currently marketing the droid to be and certainly a potnetial iphone killer in the actual device dept. And again my frustration is with the fact that this should have been evident from the outset. Should it have not???


I doubt that the "perfect phone" will ever be made...no incentive for people to buy successive itterations.
 
Guys....there is something we are forgetting here. While I am a newbie to the Android phones, I am anything but when it comes to to tech and google.

Google does everything in Beta. They commonly release products before they are fully vetted, in order to get user feedback on a grand scale before they scale back the R&D. This means that while at first things may not be perfect (and often are not as good as the competitor at first as a result), they are better prepared to fix the problems and release patches and updates. And as we all have heard...Google had a heavy hand in guiding the develpment of the Droid. So I am confident that when all is said and done...the MotoDroid will have one of the best performing cameras (both vid and pics).

As to why Motorola and Verizon would be so stupid to release an unpolished unrefined unrefined phone (software and firmeware wise)? Well for the first time ever, they have something that can be imporoved constantly on the fly. And with Google, Motorola and the independent developers on the android platform all motivated to make this phone "the equivilent or supperior" device to the iPhone...Verizon was willing to take the risk.

Also, we ARE talking about a multi-billion dollar business here...and what happens in 20 days? The droid was not released when it was by accident. The best time to release a new product for the holiday season is late Oct or VERY early Nov. And delaying or cancelling that release for something that can and will be updated and for the most part has NO unrepairable defects is NOT an option.

So put all this together....we are essetially using a tech still in beta, we are using the smartest dam phone ever (at least for the rest of the year...lol) that can truly learn and update on the fly, the holiday season is coming and looks to be promising after a TERRIBLE year for retailers, and the need to put out a phone that could be the flagship phone for the carrier and can keep more Verizon customers from jumping to ATT just for the iphone.

To expect perfection given all this is just funny. If you cannot be patient and wait for the fix...or if you are not confident that there will be a fix...then get a different phone.
 
The Eris has the same megapixel rating but lower video recording capability but i am not even referring to the image quality as much as when you move to the light the virtual iris closes when you move to the dark the iris opens. That is BASIC at a certain light threshold the droid does the opposite. I assume because it is calculating the flash value, but there is NO flash value. FAIL. Should have been OTA fixed within the first few days and certainly before everyone's 30 day eval was up......

Bro, you make one fatal assumption in your statement. For a technogeek, you sure don't know too much about camera phones. On darn near 100% (if not 100%) of all camera phones, THERE IS NO DYNAMIC IRIS! The irises on these camera phones are locked down. Shoot, we'll even go back a few posts: What the heck is a "virtual iris"? The fact that the image gets darker in dark spots and blooms in light spots (like focused on the ceiling fan) is because 1) Not enough light is reaching the sensor so its black. What you perceive as it going darker is the residual stimulus to the sensor from going back from the light. 2) When focused on the light, it blooms, because of the pixel density on the camera sensor, other pixels get "stimulated" and wash out. C'mon man. You said you're a camera/techno geek. Get with it.

I don't downplay the limitations of the camera phone. It's quite limited. But I also don't hold it against the phone. Because in OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, the phone excels. The DROID DOES take flash photography. The DROID does take excellent videos, in well-lit rooms. But at the end of the day, it's a camera phone. There are natural physical and software limitations. But unless you want a phone that has a camera sensor 200% larger and 100% thicker to accomodate focusing and a mechanical iris... you gotta take it for what it's worth.

The Eris chose a different fixed iris dimension to deal with not having a flash, just like the iPhone did. That Iris coupled with product-specific software to handle the physical specifications of the camera allow it to take, in this case, low-light videos.

Let me ask you this: Since you're a camera/techno geek and since camera phones necessitate a fixed iris (likely very small) due to physical limitations of the housing, DOF requirements, 5MP sensor, tell me what the output would be considering this camera would be required to take flash photography? How would you set up a camera phone knowing those physical limitations?

Second, tell me what the output would be if you opened up that iris to a larger dimension, maybe sacrifice some DOF, still have a densely packed 5 MP sensor, meant to be set up for non-flash, and decided to take a flash photo with that camera... what would the output be? Also consider the fact that the flash is literally, millimeters away from the lens itself (wouldn't want you to take your Eris and couple it with one of your $1000 camera flashes and post it up on Youtube)?

My point is again: Certain decisions needed to be made about the device based on what it was offering. No doubt, if the DROID didn't take flash photography, it would be set up differently. But since it's touting a 2 blindingly bright LED flash nearly millimeters away from its lense, certain compromises had to be made about the physical set up of the camera for it to perform well when those KINDS of photos are taken. Perhaps, what should have happened is that Motorola would have put an option to fire the flash constantly for low-light videos. But then you get a bunch of pissed off DROID owners whose LED flash burns out because of over use.
 
The Droids low light pics/video suck balls big time. I hope its a software issue. So many times i have attempted to take pics/video in regular light and i can barely see a damn thing on the screen. Its like i am in a covered hole.
 
Famac, unlikely that it's TOTALLY a software issue. It's a marriage of both software and hardware limitations. As mentioned above, a fixed iris has some inherent limitations particularly in low-light situations.
 
I'm glad that he posted the vids. I'm on this forum, reading and learning, so I can go into whatever decision i make with a fair amount of background information. I'm coming from a Nokia n95, and am considering purchasing either the Eris, InstinctHD or the Droid... I'm looking at those, already knowing that I will be shooting lots of off-the-cuff job related video, as i have with the N95.
So Bruceo posted 2 videos, apparently taken at the same time, same conditions. I needed to see that. I also needed to read everyone's response, as the banter was very helpful. However a reader wishes to define what is good and what is bad, either in how the videos turned out or in the reasoning for his posting them, is the reader's interpretation. His comments seem neutral, not labelling either one as good or bad. We are just left to interpret and label on our own.
I also learned from other's responses, the reasons that the videos may appear the way that they do.
I also learned about the "beta" introductions and the potential for fixes in future updates -- all great info for those who welcome opposing viewpoints and can learn something from almost everyone who contributes, whatever their motives may be.
I'm sure that I'll continue to come across all the reasons why these phones are incredible, but I also hope to continue reading about what things may not be so wonderful.
Great thread.
 
People can click on my name and read all my posts and decide for themselves.

As it stands I would most certainly take the Droid's video/photo hardware over the Eris. Its the software with the major flaws. Eris camera just has much better camera software which was created by HTC to make up for the terrible native Android camera software. HTC is well known for creating these improved apps for crappy winmo. Its just my opinion that Android shouldn't also be as bad. I wish HTC would port their apps to sell to the android community, but that wont happen till Rooting/Jailbreaking.

Yeah, the software needs some tweaking in the Moto Droid and I am sure it will happen in time. People have reported the Nav. screen in car is too bright at night and the Mulitmedia dock mode is too bright at night as well. These things should have been addressed by release. Even so I really like the phone as it does so much so well (I have no major complaints).
 
OMG, somebody here finally gets it! I've been following this thread, watching the torpedos launched from both sides, and shaking my head in what I'm reading on a device that was obviously pushed out for the holiday season and is less than 30 days old!!!!

Really, both sides should just cool it until some OTA updates come out and correct the obvious bugs that exist.

Bruceo, we get it that you were suckered by the Verizon ads. And that they played you to think the Droid was the best thing since sliced bread. But your premature....uh....judgement of the Droid before ANY updates have been released for it are why you've been getting so much flack. The constant attacks on the pic/video quality are getting old. If you are really that concerned, have you contacted Verizon/Motorola regarding these serious defects? They obviously are keeping you up at night...

Also, we ARE talking about a multi-billion dollar business here...and what happens in 20 days? The droid was not released when it was by accident. The best time to release a new product for the holiday season is late Oct or VERY early Nov. And delaying or cancelling that release for something that can and will be updated and for the most part has NO unrepairable defects is NOT an option.

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To expect perfection given all this is just funny. If you cannot be patient and wait for the fix...or if you are not confident that there will be a fix...then get a different phone.
 
Bro, you make one fatal assumption in your statement. For a technogeek, you sure don't know too much about camera phones. On darn near 100% (if not 100%) of all camera phones, THERE IS NO DYNAMIC IRIS! The irises on these camera phones are locked down. Shoot, we'll even go back a few posts: What the heck is a "virtual iris"? The fact that the image gets darker in dark spots and blooms in light spots (like focused on the ceiling fan) is because 1) Not enough light is reaching the sensor so its black. What you perceive as it going darker is the residual stimulus to the sensor from going back from the light. 2) When focused on the light, it blooms, because of the pixel density on the camera sensor, other pixels get "stimulated" and wash out. C'mon man. You said you're a camera/techno geek. Get with it.

I don't downplay the limitations of the camera phone. It's quite limited. But I also don't hold it against the phone. Because in OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, the phone excels. The DROID DOES take flash photography. The DROID does take excellent videos, in well-lit rooms. But at the end of the day, it's a camera phone. There are natural physical and software limitations. But unless you want a phone that has a camera sensor 200% larger and 100% thicker to accomodate focusing and a mechanical iris... you gotta take it for what it's worth.

The Eris chose a different fixed iris dimension to deal with not having a flash, just like the iPhone did. That Iris coupled with product-specific software to handle the physical specifications of the camera allow it to take, in this case, low-light videos.

Let me ask you this: Since you're a camera/techno geek and since camera phones necessitate a fixed iris (likely very small) due to physical limitations of the housing, DOF requirements, 5MP sensor, tell me what the output would be considering this camera would be required to take flash photography? How would you set up a camera phone knowing those physical limitations?

Second, tell me what the output would be if you opened up that iris to a larger dimension, maybe sacrifice some DOF, still have a densely packed 5 MP sensor, meant to be set up for non-flash, and decided to take a flash photo with that camera... what would the output be? Also consider the fact that the flash is literally, millimeters away from the lens itself (wouldn't want you to take your Eris and couple it with one of your $1000 camera flashes and post it up on Youtube)?

My point is again: Certain decisions needed to be made about the device based on what it was offering. No doubt, if the DROID didn't take flash photography, it would be set up differently. But since it's touting a 2 blindingly bright LED flash nearly millimeters away from its lense, certain compromises had to be made about the physical set up of the camera for it to perform well when those KINDS of photos are taken. Perhaps, what should have happened is that Motorola would have put an option to fire the flash constantly for low-light videos. But then you get a bunch of pissed off DROID owners whose LED flash burns out because of over use.



Jeez. Maybe youll see how idiotic your "compromise" justifications will be once they fix the algorithm to not incorrectly darken the image once the light gets to a certain threshold, making your points moot.

My point is if they just had a little real world testing theyd figure out it was faulty and fix it immediately, its not rocketscience for them it is not a new feature they have been putting cameras in their phones for a long time. To watch that video and make the justifications you and other make just proves you are no less blind than iphone fanboys.

12/11 will fix their major bugs but wont add lockscreen music control, replace the crappy music player and media gallery, the voice search connection bug, smart dialing, multitouch, crappy gallery, pic swiping, auto muting nav when trying to make a new/correct voice command, quick volume control access, spontaneous reboots, homescreen lag, lack of a dedicated send/end, ,wav playback, weak widget availability, slider constantly shifting out when phone is pocketed turning on the phone and emergency dialing, desk clock useless because it has a fake dim when it is really too bright, substandard word prediction and single touch keyboard,I could go on and on.

If the eris did not have a crappy proc and low rez screen it would trump the droid because it doesnt have these basic flaws. I did not expect the droid to fail in so many basics especially with the big vz push of it, but seeing the way they are dropping the price Im not surprised. Im banking on HTC offering sense w/2.x Android on hardware that will compete with the droid. I just dont want to be stuck with these unneccessary issues for 2 yrs and a $175-350 e Itf

The last straw for me was on the way to tonights job when it took about 15 miles and 3 reboots before I could get voice search to not error out and recognize my destination. In oct I had a 4 day trip to the keys with tons of location and info voice searches and the HTC hero never errored out or even failed to recognize the words, it was spot on. When it works voice search on the droid is much better because it launches instantly vs hero/eris which have a sec or two lag and with 2.0 you get the nice local listings in the browser vs just the general google search results....
 
Bro, you make one fatal assumption in your statement. For a technogeek, you sure don't know too much about camera phones. On darn near 100% (if not 100%) of all camera phones, THERE IS NO DYNAMIC IRIS! The irises on these camera phones are locked down. Shoot, we'll even go back a few posts: What the heck is a "virtual iris"? The fact that the image gets darker in dark spots and blooms in light spots (like focused on the ceiling fan) is because 1) Not enough light is reaching the sensor so its black. What you perceive as it going darker is the residual stimulus to the sensor from going back from the light. 2) When focused on the light, it blooms, because of the pixel density on the camera sensor, other pixels get "stimulated" and wash out. C'mon man. You said you're a camera/techno geek. Get with it.

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Virtual irs in my terms means electronically stopping up or down based upon how the camera is metering the light. I would be pretty confident to say that the hardware tech in most smartphones of this type are very similar and many times prob the exact ssame hardware. Its is the software at fault here. I will make sure to check into this forum in the future so once they finally correct the issue then Ill call you out on the absuridity of your posts. Reminds me of video production software that I used to complain about stupid bugs across many diff machines and there were so many guys like you explaining it away on hardware limitations and other excuses, but for some reason there were no problems after an update on the same machines that they were trying to justify as being the cause.
 
this is quite a problem for me too. i don't care if they are full 5mp quality... i have a 15mp dslr for that. just make them fast and color true! the low light pics are horrible.
 
What the hell are people expecting out of camera phones....seriously.

You want to complain about camera quality or phone quality? Please go use my Storm 1 before 5.0 and then compare it to the Moto Droid release. It's like night and day x 10000
 
What the hell are people expecting out of camera phones....seriously.

You want to complain about camera quality or phone quality? Please go use my Storm 1 before 5.0 and then compare it to the Moto Droid release. It's like night and day x 10000

my old old old old ass sanyo flip phone took better low light pics!
 
I was at the Boston Aquarium last week and shot some video of the big 200,000 gallon tank. I looked amazing. Everyone I showed ask me. "You took this video on your phone? It looks amazing!" Everyone.

Bruceo, I understand you don't like many things about this phone but your approach really needs some work. Maybe you should look at getting a job at Motorola or Google?
 
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