The link showing how to get the Vonage password is about a year old. Maybe they've changed it. Or, did you use it today and have it work?
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The link showing how to get the Vonage password is about a year old. Maybe they've changed it. Or, did you use it today and have it work?
Well again, I can "not" get the Vonage main number (assigned to my ATA) to work, as I don't have the password.
My Vonage "softphone" account "does work", just using the username/password that is used to log into the X-Pro softphone application.
What I'm trying now, is to set up the pbxes trunk to use my "Vonage Companion account" (a different softphone client), which is part of the "Vonage Pro" plan (again, the main number, but configured differently than the ATA/router), as you use your Vonage "online" account name/pwd for credentials. Since the credentials are more "visible", I'm hoping I can get it to work. This will allow a "2nd line" for your main Vonage number, and calls can ring on the house phone and "SIP client on the cell". If one line is in use, use the other at the same time.
Check out this thread:
HowardForums: Your Mobile Phone Community & Resource - SIP Settings Vonage Companion
Ok. understand. I'll keep working on trying to hack my pap2. As far as the V PRO version, I assumed that it was the same as the main line, just a different method of access. I also assumed that it would not be possible to use both the main line and the "pc" at the same time. Or... when you refer to using "the other at the same time", you mean your g/f's softphone?
Well, I have (2) different Vonage phone numbers, allocated over (3) methods:
1. Vonage Pro Plan, ph # 555-1111, assigned to ATA device
2. Vonage Pro Plan, ph # 555-1111, assigned to Vonage Companion softphone client (new, part of Pro Plan's "features")
3. Vonage Softphone Plan, ph # 555-2222, assigned to Vonage X-Pro softphone client (original softphone from way back).
Going to Vonage Pro gives same ATA access as before, but adds the PC based "Vonage Companion" software/softphone to run on PC. If the "house phone" (ATA) line is busy with ph# 555-1111, I can log on to PC and use Vonage Companion and make/take a call with ph# 555-1111.
I'm hoping I can get SIP client/trunk to work with the Companion credentials, because it uses the username/pwd that you use to login online, and manage your Vonage account.
I'm hesitant to DL/install "Fiddler" as I don't know of any trusted sources...don't want to DL anything "unwanted".
Wow. So, the Vonage Pro account actually gives you dual simultaneous access via the same phone number? OK. neat.
BTW, are you thinking of the web debugger program Fiddler? Fiddler Web Debugger - Freeware HTTP(S) debugging tool
BTW, are you thinking of the web debugger program Fiddler? Fiddler Web Debugger - Freeware HTTP(S) debugging tool
I know nothing about security/hacking, and I'm afraid to venture in those waters. I have a buddy who is on the security side of IT, and I was going to call him tonight for some tips.
I may be making some headway on the Companion account...trying some new server addresses I found in the logs. pbxes.org has a "status" page, where you can see your trunk/ext./conference bridge status, all in real time.
I may be making some headway on the Companion account...trying some new server addresses I found in the logs. pbxes.org has a "status" page, where you can see your trunk/ext./conference bridge status, all in real time.
Well, let me know if you become successful with Companion (Vonage Pro), as I'll probably upgrade my current package to that.
I'm running into a mountain of an effort with the Vonage PAP2 SIP settings. Is appears that the unlocking effort is 'possible' but very long and involved. So, yes, could probably work for the very courageous, but not for the avg joe. The trick is to get a fresh 'non-partitioned' PAP2 device FIRST, then it's MUCH easier.
I'm running into a mountain of an effort with the Vonage PAP2 SIP settings. Is appears that the unlocking effort is 'possible' but very long and involved. So, yes, could probably work for the very courageous, but not for the avg joe. The trick is to get a fresh 'non-partitioned' PAP2 device FIRST, then it's MUCH easier.
I'm struggling with the companion account. Some settings have calls sitting on the trunk for 10-15 seconds before, but I get a system message "this call can not be completed as dialed", and the call drops. Other configurations drop right away...so I think that authentication is getting a little farther with some settings vs. others, but none work fully.
One problem I'm seeing is the time it takes to connect for outbound calls. If you have any contacts with extended dial strings, such as a "pause" for an then a "pin number", it may have to be adjusted.
Positive note is that I'm able to call a wider variety of numbers with pbxes than before, and again, inbound is working, where it wasn't before.
One problem I'm seeing is the time it takes to connect for outbound calls. If you have any contacts with extended dial strings, such as a "pause" for an then a "pin number", it may have to be adjusted.
Positive note is that I'm able to call a wider variety of numbers with pbxes than before, and again, inbound is working, where it wasn't before.
Lack of sleep for the past week forced me to take a step back from Vonage.
FWIW, my co-worker (also a VoIP engineer) turned me on to www.callcentric.com He's actually been trying to get me to switch for a while due to the "open" nature of the service (he also had Vonage at one time). I spoke to him tonight on his callcentric account, and the call quality was as good, or better, than any call I've had on the 900 thus far, on both TMo and AT&T's network, my Vonage and Skype accounts. This while he's on vacation in the Dominican Rep., on a 384Kb WiFi connection.
I was able to get signed up with a "free account", (for demo purposes, but allows free calls within their network, a la Skype) and get the limited optioned SIP client on the n900, up and running, all within 5 minutes. I actually signed up, and configured my account on the 900.
All I needed to configure on the phone was the
1. username (callcentric-assigned#@callcentric.com_
2. Password
3. Proxy server address (callcentric.com)
No setting up a trunk on pbxes.org, or anything like that...plain and simple.
Callcentric's guided tour outlines all the configuration settings for 2-3 dozen different devices/softphones. Service and features are very similar to Vonage. For unlimited outbound US/Canada calling, it will cost $19/mo, $29/mo for their "World Plan" which includes 35 countries. You would also have to pay for an "inbound DID" (porting your Vonage number is avail.) on a monthly basis. Depending on your number (they have a lookup service on their site) you will be charged accordingly. It would be $5.95 per month for porting my Vonage #.
It winds up being the same as Vonage per month ($25), but factor in you get SIP client support "without" upgrading to Vonage "Pro" ($35), it winds up being cheaper....unless you want the callcentric "World Plan". The only thing I don't see that Vonage does, is the "SimuRing"...however callcentric has more advanced forwarding rules and call treatments. SimuRing may be possible, but may require a little more effort.
I think I have my New Year's resolution now.
Colnago,
I've been looking at Callcentric. Some concerns I have are the simultaneous active calls. According to their website, then one of the calls is charged at the Pay Per Call rate. This also goes for 3way calling, etc. I don't have a need for this, as I've never used it in the 5+yrs I've had Vonage, so maybe it's not much of an issue. Depends on the use I guess.
Would be a good pitch to Vonage though. I just love competition.
I've been looking at Callcentric. Some concerns I have are the simultaneous active calls. According to their website, then one of the calls is charged at the Pay Per Call rate. This also goes for 3way calling, etc. I don't have a need for this, as I've never used it in the 5+yrs I've had Vonage, so maybe it's not much of an issue. Depends on the use I guess.
Would be a good pitch to Vonage though. I just love competition.
Yeah, I wasn't too clear on that either. It seemed like if you have "unlimited" then it would be "billed" at the same rate, which "should be free"?
Right now, for me, I'm good with Vonage, and the extra $3/mo for Skype PSTN calls, with my cell # as the CallerID. This will give me unlimited calling "for my cell #", even if I have to just call the person back. My girl can continue to keep her Vonage Softphone number, as it should work to call home (Europe) "in a pinch" from her cell, now that its working through pbxes.org.
I'm gonna try again tonight to get Vonage Companion to work, if not, I'll go back to the $25 plan again.
If you have "SIP service" to connect it to, yes...e.g. Gizmo account, Vonage, callcentric, etc. If you're SIP service does not connect via sipdroid directly, you can setup a trunk on pbxes.org (free), and enter your SIP service's settings there. You then configure your sipdroid app on the phone, with the username/pwd from "pbexs.org" account.
What bwanna and I are trying to do is leverage, and extend our existing Vonage accounts to the cell phone via sipdroid. That way we use Vonage's numbers, and calling rates (free to 30-60 countries or something) on the cell, eliminating need to use cellular minutes.
You basically have to pay for calling somewhere along the line, since some people are already have VoIP servicing the home, its the natural extension so you don't incurr any additional costs. People are getting Google Voice to make free calls, but you have to pay extra to get into a "friends and family plan" to make it "free" for your cell phone, as GVoice isn't a trunk/PRI provider...unless you have an older Gizmo plan.
Great explanation Colnago. Gman - all of the assumption behind using SIP is that you'll have some for of a data connection available (WiFi, 3G, Edge). If you live in the 'out' areas or plan on using your cell phone in those areas where these may not be available then traditional cell minutes would be necessary. As an example, my daughter attends university in the Appalachians and along the drive between there and here often reduces the signal to analog (no digital). Sip would not be my option for her phone.
I think SIP would probably serve as a great adjunct to a small cell-minute plan, where most of the calls would be via SIP.
If Vonage was smart and forward thinking, something they've already demonstrated to a degree (my hjmbel opinion), they would expand their 'softphone' accounts a little bit more to offer an 'unlimited' world option. (Hey V, are you listening?)
Cheers,
I think SIP would probably serve as a great adjunct to a small cell-minute plan, where most of the calls would be via SIP.
If Vonage was smart and forward thinking, something they've already demonstrated to a degree (my hjmbel opinion), they would expand their 'softphone' accounts a little bit more to offer an 'unlimited' world option. (Hey V, are you listening?)
Cheers,
I was just reading some older business articles and it seems like Vonage's approach is to make their services more "user friendly" and provide "more features" than their competitors. Providing SIP credentials didn't seem to be a priority.
That said, if you want SIP on your phone, there are alternatives. I'm reluctant to leave only because of Vonage's ability to to change bandwidth, proven reliability and call quality, and "ring blast"...well those and my g/f hates "change".
That said, if you want SIP on your phone, there are alternatives. I'm reluctant to leave only because of Vonage's ability to to change bandwidth, proven reliability and call quality, and "ring blast"...well those and my g/f hates "change".
The "settings" are already out, but again the key is getting your respective "password".
vikingisson
Android Expert
They are decent for their intended use but not for what we're trying to do here. Any service that won't willingly give me the creds to use it my way isn't so great. I used V for a while and had little trouble but when I built a PBX suddenly they weren't so nice and certainly not the best price. After using them for a number of years and finally canceling they wouldn't give me the unlock codes for the ATA and WiFI phone that were worthless to them and didn't want back. It wasn't worth the trouble cracking them so they sit in the closet. Same ATA unlocked is <$50.
Standards based SIP is a lot easier and cheaper in most cases. V is damn easy and reliable if you use it the way they want you to.
For the Droid/sipdroid, the callcentric solution may be the ticket. You most likely won't have to setup a trunk/account on pbxes.org, and even pbxes recommends them. Again it would be about $25/mo for unlimited outbound US/Canada, and inbound #, the same as w/ Vonage, but you'd get to use it both on the cell and home.
vikingisson
Android Expert
Callcentric is pretty good especially if you can make use of the calling plan. They give you enough features at their GUI so that you don't need trunks and other things. However if you don't make lots of calls or have a number of users with varied needs and can justify your own PBX then Callcentric can be a little more expensive than other solutions. At that point Vonage gets expensive too. Example is mine, I use one provider for inbound DIDs since all inbound calls are included in the price ($4/mth for U.S. numbers) but they charge more for outbound than some others so I use at least two different providers for outbound and keep my inbound provider as a 3rd in case the other two are down. There are trunk providers that give great prices so a mix and match is the best deal for me. But to have this much flexibility you need a PBX and even those can be hosted/virtualized these days.
But in general yes, Callcentric or one of the other providers that are asterisk/pbx friendly but have just enough flexibility at their side is the way to go. In my case I rarely go over $5/mth for the DID and usage even if I go to Europe and call via WiFI. I run a entire SOHO office PBX for less than a single Bell line with an all you can eat LD plan. (keeping one basic landline is also prudent for an office)
But in general yes, Callcentric or one of the other providers that are asterisk/pbx friendly but have just enough flexibility at their side is the way to go. In my case I rarely go over $5/mth for the DID and usage even if I go to Europe and call via WiFI. I run a entire SOHO office PBX for less than a single Bell line with an all you can eat LD plan. (keeping one basic landline is also prudent for an office)
installed sipdroid sipsorcery and a free did. registered the did with google voice and added the dialing rules in sipsorcery. 10 hours of debugging later I managed free outgoing call using the google voice callback feature. cool but this is a backup dial plan only. still buggy.
Using swype for this message. Pretty good recognition.
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I found "Offline Mode" (duh, power button), and when I try to turn on Bluetooth, it prompts me to "Exit offline mode?". Whether or not this is defeatable with community based apps, I think there is something in the "Testing repositories" now (disable cellular radio toggle applet).
skipcooney
Newbie
I signed up for SkypeOut on my PC. I loaded fring (ver 1.2.0.26) from the Marketplace and set up the Skype add on in fring. I turned on airplane mode on the droid (turning off 3G radio) and turned on wifi. With all that in place I could make calls with the droid on fring and selecting SkypeOut. Now when I travel to places with wifi and no cell service (in the US or out of the country), I can make outgoing phone calls with the droid. I have not figured out how to get incoming calls on wifi only, but this setup costs little, only 2 cents/min for SkypeOut calls.
Why not just go for the $3/mo unlimited Skype plan? It's nice that you can use your cell's # as the caller ID for outbound calls. I wound up just using Skype Out for outbound during the week, to keep me from having to change my $29/mo 500 minute plan.