Enlighten me with Google

[Martin714]

So i want to know from all you guys who have owned a nexus device or own one right now whats the pros and the cons in a nexus device .... how does someone flash a rom without getting there pictures and music deleted due to no sd card.... hows build quality and software on a nexus device..... and hows signal .... and the reason i ask is im planning on getting the next nexus device but firsst need to make sure how the community rates it being a google phone and all but yea let me know what you guys think

 

[lunatic59]

In a nutshell, Pros: Pure Android, no carrier bloatware or manufacturer overlay. Updates are faster and devices are supported longer. It's reasonably priced and NO contract required. Esoteric bragging rights.

Cons: It can be a little stark out of the box. Not too much eye candy, but plenty of potential. That can take some research and work. Support through Google meaning you can't walk it into your local carrier store with a question. They wouldn't even know what it was.

...how does someone flash a rom without getting there pictures and music deleted due to no sd card

SD card or not, backups are very important. Because the memory model in JB virtualized the volumes, even a factory reset will delete user storage. Many will sync their files to the cloud and then sync them back after a reset or flash.

Build quality is excellent, although the flat glass back will muffle the speaker if laid on a flat surface and it makes the phone slippery. LG has added little bumps to the back edge to fix that, but some are still getting the smooth model. Not a huge issue, but an issue nonetheless.

I haven't really had any signal problems, so I'd say it was on par with every other phone I've had, although the GPS will get a lock much quicker than any Samsung phone I've ever owned.

 

[timmyh318]

Pure google is ok. Its quick and snappy as there is no skin over it eating ram but its also very bland cuase there's no skin over it. If your coming from a phone that runs sense or touchwiz and enjoy some of there features your not gonna like pure android. Plain and simple. Some love it some hate it. Best advice is to play around with a nexus or install a stock android rom on your phone and use it see if its for you. The one thing that kinda amuses me is people say how much they love the pure android experience then the first thing they do is root and install a rom. If they love it so much why the need to change it lol anyway I heard a rumor also that moto may be building the nexus 5 and if that's the case the radio in it will be top of the line. No matter if you love or hate moto they make by far the best radios on any phone. But like I said its just a rumor I heard so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[lunatic59]

To some the Android experience is rooting and flashing roms.

 

[timmyh318]

To some the Android experience is rooting and flashing roms.

That's true that I can understand. Oh one thing to I forgot to mention. The no bloatware thing is kind of misleading. I know everyone says it and yes its true it does not come with any carrier apps. Ie sprint zone my verizon ect ect....but it comes preloaded with a ton of google "bloatware". I dunno why noone sees this as boatware when in reality it is. Its just a different company bloating your phone. Instead of a carrier its google.

 

[new optimus]

That's true that I can understand. Oh one thing to I forgot to mention. The no bloatware thing is kind of misleading. I know everyone says it and yes its true it does not come with any carrier apps. Ie sprint zone my verizon ect ect....but it comes preloaded with a ton of google "bloatware". I dunno why noone sees this as boatware when in reality it is. Its just a different company bloating your phone. Instead of a carrier its google.

I agree, and have said this on a few occasions.
I like the stock vanilla look, though I like the functionality that CM 10.1 gives, so best of both worlds really.

on the sd card thing, there is a partitioned off space that is your sd card, the phone sees it as separate a simple factory reset of your phone will not touch that space you wont lose those things, however to unlock or lock the bootloader it does seem to wipe even the sd card.

 

[lunatic59]

on the sd card thing, there is a partitioned off space that is your sd card....

Except on Jelly Bean and most likely all subsequent releases the partitions are on virtualized volumes which get rebuilt upon reset. This will also rebuild the /sdcard partition so you will see data loss.

 

[new optimus]

Except on Jelly Bean and most likely all subsequent releases the partitions are on virtualized volumes which get rebuilt upon reset. This will also rebuild the /sdcard partition so you will see data loss.

I am using cm10.1 and recently used the return to factory settings/factory data reset and nothing on the sd was touched, when I got the phone I did the bootloader unlock and everything was wiped.

 

[Martin714]

In a nutshell, Pros: Pure Android, no carrier bloatware or manufacturer overlay. Updates are faster and devices are supported longer. It's reasonably priced and NO contract required. Esoteric bragging rights.

Cons: It can be a little stark out of the box. Not too much eye candy, but plenty of potential. That can take some research and work. Support through Google meaning you can't walk it into your local carrier store with a question. They wouldn't even know what it was.




SD card or not, backups are very important. Because the memory model in JB virtualized the volumes, even a factory reset will delete user storage. Many will sync their files to the cloud and then sync them back after a reset or flash.

Build quality is excellent, although the flat glass back will muffle the speaker if laid on a flat surface and it makes the phone slippery. LG has added little bumps to the back edge to fix that, but some are still getting the smooth model. Not a huge issue, but an issue nonetheless.

I haven't really had any signal problems, so I'd say it was on par with every other phone I've had, although the GPS will get a lock much quicker than any Samsung phone I've ever owned.

You sir answered all my questions very well thanks bro you convinced me into wanting to buy a nexus phone but for me im aiming for the nexus 5 which im sure will be awesome and as for the sd card thing it sounds difficult but maybe because ive never tryed it with a nexus or maybe because im not use to having no sd card lol but yea and sweet i hope the nexus 5 gets some good radios and the GPS im amazed never heard tht from someone else unless they had note 2 or gs3. and by anychance do you know whos taking over the building for the nexus 5?

Pure google is ok. Its quick and snappy as there is no skin over it eating ram but its also very bland cuase there's no skin over it. If your coming from a phone that runs sense or touchwiz and enjoy some of there features your not gonna like pure android. Plain and simple. Some love it some hate it. Best advice is to play around with a nexus or install a stock android rom on your phone and use it see if its for you. The one thing that kinda amuses me is people say how much they love the pure android experience then the first thing they do is root and install a rom. If they love it so much why the need to change it lol anyway I heard a rumor also that moto may be building the nexus 5 and if that's the case the radio in it will be top of the line. No matter if you love or hate moto they make by far the best radios on any phone. But like I said its just a rumor I heard so take it with a grain of salt.

i come from a tw phone gs3 and i dont really use much of the features i like the way vanilla android looks and also i like the fact tht google updates there shit in a matter of week unlike lg or samsung due to there skin overlay they take long as hell and then make excuese to not update some phone due to hardware like the us gs3 wont get key lime pie cause its dual core which is bull but yea as to messing with a nexus never get the chance cause no one i know has one and the store dont have a demo of the phone

That's true that I can understand. Oh one thing to I forgot to mention. The no bloatware thing is kind of misleading. I know everyone says it and yes its true it does not come with any carrier apps. Ie sprint zone my verizon ect ect....but it comes preloaded with a ton of google "bloatware". I dunno why noone sees this as boatware when in reality it is. Its just a different company bloating your phone. Instead of a carrier its google.

i love tht there would be no bloatware

 

[timmyh318]

It is bloatware though. Its google bloatware. The no bloatware line is a lie. All nexus devices come loaded with google bloatware. The best advice anyone can give is try one for yourself before you buy it. That goes for any phone. Watch videos on you tube about it. Not listening to the reviewers personal opinions but seeing how the phone looks and acts in there hands. What someone else likes you may hate. What others hate you may love. Others opinions including mine are honestly meaningless when it comes to choosing what phone works best for you.

 

[John Bean]

Not really. "Bloatware" is something that gets added by third parties to the basic Android system as it comes from Google, not anything that you happen to not want or use.

Your unused system component is another person's "must have" feature and the fact that you don't want it doesn't make it bloatware.

 

[lunatic59]

... by any chance do you know who's taking over the building for the nexus 5?

Rumors only. There was speculation that Motorola was making the 4 and many have speculated that it will be the 5. I've learned to disregard the rumor mill.

 

[timmyh318]

Not really. "Bloatware" is something that gets added by third parties to the basic Android system as it comes from Google, not anything that you happen to not want or use.

Your unused system component is another person's "must have" feature and the fact that you don't want it doesn't make it bloatware.

Cant the same be said for the carrier apps to then.....and calling them "system components" is a nice term for manufacturer bloatware. Google earth google plus google magazines google books google ect ect ect are not components of the android operating system as it would operate just fine of they werent there and could easily be installed on there own if a person so chose. So forcing them onto someones phone and the fact they cant be removed on top of the fact most are there to sell you products thru google makes them google bloatware. Sorry to burst the whole "no bloatware" myth. Thats nothing but a marketing lie.

 

[John Bean]

Not really, unless you insist on using an argument that claims that anything you don't want/like is bloatware, no matter that it is present in the most basic standard build that comes with the device.

Actually I'm struggling to understand your lack of differentiation between standard features incorporated by the manufacturer and third-party add-ons from resellers, reminiscent of the awful "go-faster" stripes and sticker loved by certain card dealers at one time.

The car (or Google phone in our case) may not be perfect, but it's a damn sight better than one that's been messed about with by some salesman to "improve" it before selling it on.

Anyway, this is arguing for argument's sake. You keep your definition, I'll keep mine

 

[Shocker_33]

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[timmyh318]

Not really, unless you insist on using an argument that claims that anything you don't want/like is bloatware, no matter that it is present in the most basic standard build that comes with the device.

Actually I'm struggling to understand your lack of differentiation between standard features incorporated by the manufacturer and third-party add-ons from resellers, reminiscent of the awful "go-faster" stripes and sticker loved by certain card dealers at one time.

The car (or Google phone in our case) may not be perfect, but it's a damn sight better than one that's been messed about with by some salesman to "improve" it before selling it on.

Anyway, this is arguing for argument's sake. You keep your definition, I'll keep mine

Where did i say its bloatware because i dont want it. Its bloatware because its not required. Its to advertise google and google products. Thats what makes it bloatware. If you have 2 phones side by side . one is we will call it verizon phone a. And the other we will say is nexus phone b. Now verizon phone a comes preloaded with the amazon kindle app. Now some people may love the amazon kindle app and use it daily. But ah ha bloatware right? But nexus phone b dont have the kindle app. Instead it has 2 seperate play books and play mags apps. How is this not the same thing lol take off the google colored glasses for a second and look at it logically. Not everything google does needs to be bowed down to and defended bloatware is bloatware its on everything like stated before. All im saying is saying theres zero bloatware is a marketing lie employed by google and it worked great. People still believe there add on apps are not bloatware lol

 

[jhsrennie]

Its bloatware because its not required. Its to advertise google and google products. Thats what makes it bloatware.

I have a lot of sympathy with this view. After all it isn't clear to me why Google Music, Google Magazines, etc, are an essential part of Android. Yet they appear on all my Nexus devices. They seem to me to be a classic example of bloatware.

Still, I can disable them, which I can't do for the bloatware added by Orange to my previous Oramge phone.

 

[SiempreTuna]

Ditto ^^^

I've never really thought of things like Google Books or Google+ as bloatware, but given I don't need them and can't uninstall them, I guess they satisfy the definition (even though they can be disabled which other bloat generally can't).

TBH, I don't really care. The real distinction is whether you'd be happy with 'vanilla' Android. As people say above, it's subjective so what's right for me may not be right for you. The only way to be sure is for you to suck it and see.

When I sucked it, I found that, for me, it tastes pretty darn good. So good, I haven't felt any urge to root and ROM

 

[Martin714]

now heres the thing guys what phone should i go for moto x phone or nexus 5?

 

[lightsleeper23]

now here the thing guys what phone should i go for moto x phone or nexus 5?

Well since no one has any idea what either of these phones are actually going to be like, the best answer is I don't know. X Phone may be announced at google io, it may not. Nexus 5 probably won't be.

 

[Martin714]

From what im seeing many are saying that moto X with be better than nexus 5 and will have options to customize the color and ram and will be offered in google play store what do u guys think what do you guys prefer what will you choose?

 

[timmyh318]

Thats really still impossible to say. Noone knows whos even making the nexus 5 yet. Without at least even a spec sheet to go off of its impossible to compare the 2. Odds are the moto wont even be called the x phone by the time its released

 

[ou7shined]

Where did i say its bloatware because i dont want it. Its bloatware because its not required. Its to advertise google and google products. Thats what makes it bloatware. If you have 2 phones side by side . one is we will call it verizon phone a. And the other we will say is nexus phone b. Now verizon phone a comes preloaded with the amazon kindle app. Now some people may love the amazon kindle app and use it daily. But ah ha bloatware right? But nexus phone b dont have the kindle app. Instead it has 2 seperate play books and play mags apps. How is this not the same thing lol take off the google colored glasses for a second and look at it logically. Not everything google does needs to be bowed down to and defended bloatware is bloatware its on everything like stated before. All im saying is saying theres zero bloatware is a marketing lie employed by google and it worked great. People still believe there add on apps are not bloatware lol

You're kinda answering your own question from your first post about why people root mate.
You root your N4, flash your ROM then install GAPPS (Maps and Gmail are kinda handy after all ) then simply uninstall any of the Google "bloatware" you deem unnecessary. That's completely uninstalled not just disabled. Gone, bye-bye, totally stream-lined.

 

[mb41186]

Although this isn't my first stock android device, this phone has so much potential when it comes to customization and tweaking, you can do whatever you want to it really. I had various android phones and vanilla android experience for me is the best just because I can pick a nice launcher with the actions that I want it to do.