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Eris to v2.x, when?

I'm completely ok with waiting for as bug free of a release as possible. If that means waiting untill march 31st then so be it. That will give the devs more time to work on root!
 
"The dealership would actually be the Verizon store and they aren't doing the testing. The testers are like the little German engineer guys at Mercedes. "


No HTC would be the engineer guys at Mercedes, who designed and tweaked the Android "engine" for their HTC Eris car. Then after going thru months of testing of the engine and making sure it met with the blueprints handed to them by Verizon they produced a working model and gave it to the Verizon dealership to sell, whereupon the dealership said no wait.... we need to test it some more because HTC can't possibly know how to make an engine for their own car.
 
GoenMo said:
"The dealership would actually be the Verizon store and they aren't doing the testing. The testers are like the little German engineer guys at Mercedes. "


No HTC would be the engineer guys at Mercedes, who designed and tweaked the Android "engine" for their HTC Eris car. Then after going thru months of testing of the engine and making sure it met with the blueprints handed to them by Verizon they produced a working model and gave it to the Verizon dealership to sell, whereupon the dealership said no wait.... we need to test it some more because HTC can't possibly know how to make an engine for their own car.
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OK, since you feel the need to keep going over this analogy for some reason. :rolleyes:

The engine designer/builder would be Google, since they built Android in the first place. The engine moder customizer would be HTC since they added Sense on top of what Google had already built, then they dropped that engine into the custom built car that Verizon specified. Now Verizon is the company that plans to market and sell the car under their brand as the Droid Eris. Since Verizon has taken the order they are now testing it before they take it to their dealerships (stores) and sell it to the public.

The point is that most people have no clue who HTC is. They don't really care who HTC is either. They know that they bought a phone from Verizon and that phone received an update and is now having problems. Do they start call HTC? No, they start calling Verizon. So Verizon is doing everything that they can to make sure the phone works right with the new OS. It also doesn't matter what you see in a 5 minute video of an OS running on the phone. There is a lot more to the function of the phone than was shown in that video. To make sure that the phone performs as advertised they need to test EVERYTHING. From top to bottom they need to be sure that the phone runs right. They will test it for as long as they feel they need to for that to happen and it doesn't matter what you, me or anyone else says, the software won't be released until they are satisfied. To quote my wonderful "friend" newsradio "Period" :D
 
The bottom line is that you can never have too much testing. At some point, you'll shoot the engineers and ship the product, but you'll still wish you had tested just a little more.
 
OfTheDamned said:
The dealership would actually be the Verizon store and they aren't doing the testing. The testers are like the little German engineer guys at Mercedes.



Now why int he world would anyone that uses their phone for business and personal data want to run a beta OS? Seriously think about that for a minute. Do you want to have all the information that you store on your personal phone running a beta OS? I sure don't.



1 - They did start getting yelled at for it. They have had mandatory data in place for a while now for smart phones. Adding it to their line of "feature" phones that suck data just as much doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Just my opinion though.

2 - If you really think we have been waiting such a long time for an update don't ever buy a BlackBerry, iPhone or WinMo phone. Those folks get updated maybe, just maybe once a year and not even that in some cases. We have been waiting for a few months, it really isn't that long.
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At first I agreed with you on Verizon's testing strategy, but after thinking about it more (and a little inspiration in the shower) I think I have to disagree. Allow me to lay out my argument:

Lets look at Microsoft's release of Windows 7 as the example. The model Microsoft employed for testing was a public beta. Microsoft allowed users to download a beta version of their new OS in exchange for automated feedback. By using 1000's upon 1000's of testers, Microsoft flushed out many more bugs then they would have found through internal testing. In addition to the increased test base, Microsoft paid $0 to the beta testers. If they would have had to pay people to conduct the same testing, it would have cost millions. Users were also able to familiarize themselves with the new OS and come to enjoy it. The other benefit came from the third party software and hardware manufacturers. These companies were able to have software and drivers ready and stable for the commercial release of Windows 7. I think all of these factors helped immensely in making Windows 7 a success. Microsoft also showed support to the enthusiast community by allowing people who love the bleeding edge of technology to play with a new toy before anyone else while providing valuable feedback at the same time.

Now to HTC and Verizon. I believe if Verizon and HTC adopted this public beta test philosophy, then it would be extremely beneficial to them. They would gain all of the benefits above with little risk. They also have one advantage that Microsoft does not have. Microsoft eventually had to sell Windows 7, so they could only allow the beta in the wild for a short time. Neither HTC or Verizon potentially lose money because the OS update is given for free anyways. All of this is just my two cents, but I really think HTC and Verizon especially should look at Microsoft's example and take notice of the results.
 
coming from windows mobile devices. you were lucky to ever get an os update. maybe one out of the life per phone and those were 1-2 years apart. **wana ad they tried to charge for these until the past few years**

agree or disagree with a company's testing schedule (where you dont know any protocol or procedure other than rumors on the interwebs) all you like, it wont speed up the release.
 
sic4672 said:
At first I agreed with you on Verizon's testing strategy, but after thinking about it more (and a little inspiration in the shower) I think I have to disagree. Allow me to lay out my argument:

Lets look at Microsoft's release of Windows 7 as the example. The model Microsoft employed for testing was a public beta. Microsoft allowed users to download a beta version of their new OS in exchange for automated feedback. By using 1000's upon 1000's of testers, Microsoft flushed out many more bugs then they would have found through internal testing. In addition to the increased test base, Microsoft paid $0 to the beta testers. If they would have had to pay people to conduct the same testing, it would have cost millions. Users were also able to familiarize themselves with the new OS and come to enjoy it. The other benefit came from the third party software and hardware manufacturers. These companies were able to have software and drivers ready and stable for the commercial release of Windows 7. I think all of these factors helped immensely in making Windows 7 a success. Microsoft also showed support to the enthusiast community by allowing people who love the bleeding edge of technology to play with a new toy before anyone else while providing valuable feedback at the same time.

Now to HTC and Verizon. I believe if Verizon and HTC adopted this public beta test philosophy, then it would be extremely beneficial to them. They would gain all of the benefits above with little risk. They also have one advantage that Microsoft does not have. Microsoft eventually had to sell Windows 7, so they could only allow the beta in the wild for a short time. Neither HTC or Verizon potentially lose money because the OS update is given for free anyways. All of this is just my two cents, but I really think HTC and Verizon especially should look at Microsoft's example and take notice of the results.
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Ok, we don't really want to know what you are doing in the shower. :p
 
Sic i would have to agree with you to a point. With Microsoft they made it easy to install two os's at the same time that way you could still use your computer if it glitched. With our phones there is not as much space to do that. Don't get me wrong i would love to beta test 2.1 as would several other people here. I think Verizon is worried about phone locking up or crashing and causing them a big problem. With a few beta testers using it and something goes wrong and the phone is bricked it would be a lot cheaper for them to just replace a couple of hundred phones then a couple of thousand.
 
sic4672 said:
At first I agreed with you on Verizon's testing strategy, but after thinking about it more (and a little inspiration in the shower) I think I have to disagree. Allow me to lay out my argument:

Lets look at Microsoft's release of Windows 7 as the example. The model Microsoft employed for testing was a public beta. Microsoft allowed users to download a beta version of their new OS in exchange for automated feedback. By using 1000's upon 1000's of testers, Microsoft flushed out many more bugs then they would have found through internal testing. In addition to the increased test base, Microsoft paid $0 to the beta testers. If they would have had to pay people to conduct the same testing, it would have cost millions. Users were also able to familiarize themselves with the new OS and come to enjoy it. The other benefit came from the third party software and hardware manufacturers. These companies were able to have software and drivers ready and stable for the commercial release of Windows 7. I think all of these factors helped immensely in making Windows 7 a success. Microsoft also showed support to the enthusiast community by allowing people who love the bleeding edge of technology to play with a new toy before anyone else while providing valuable feedback at the same time.

Now to HTC and Verizon. I believe if Verizon and HTC adopted this public beta test philosophy, then it would be extremely beneficial to them. They would gain all of the benefits above with little risk. They also have one advantage that Microsoft does not have. Microsoft eventually had to sell Windows 7, so they could only allow the beta in the wild for a short time. Neither HTC or Verizon potentially lose money because the OS update is given for free anyways. All of this is just my two cents, but I really think HTC and Verizon especially should look at Microsoft's example and take notice of the results.
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hole in your theory is that if you downloaded the RC with Microsoft, you did so at your own risk. If you messed up your pc, lost info, or comprimised your private data, it was your problem.

If something happens to a cell phone and it gets bricked, your info is comprimised, you lose data. Are you gonna say, "oh well, my fault". No, your gonna call Verizon wanting a new phone not wanting to take any responsibility. then verizon is gonna tell you "buy a new phone" or verizon is gonna send you one at their cost. LOSE AND LOSE.

the testing works out in the end for all parties.

and no, i dont know when the update is being pushed.
 
Well, this ought to cool the demanding of an early release. There were people who reported issues with the upgrade. Some had their phone's reset to factory and even had their SD cards wiped...

Does that sound like something you wanna deal with?

Is it being tested? Yes

Is screaming for an early release going to do anything? No

I do have a good feeling that it's not going to be THAT much longer till they announce OTA's. And for the majority of users, the wait is going to be worth it :)
 
NKT said:
Well, this ought to cool the demanding of an early release. There were people who reported issues with the upgrade. Some had their phone's reset to factory and even had their SD cards wiped...

Does that sound like something you wanna deal with?

Is it being tested? Yes

Is screaming for an early release going to do anything? No

I do have a good feeling that it's not going to be THAT much longer till they announce OTA's. And for the majority of users, the wait is going to be worth it :)
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note to self: backup sd card.
 
NKT said:
Well, this ought to cool the demanding of an early release. There were people who reported issues with the upgrade. Some had their phone's reset to factory and even had their SD cards wiped...

Does that sound like something you wanna deal with?

Is it being tested? Yes

Is screaming for an early release going to do anything? No

I do have a good feeling that it's not going to be THAT much longer till they announce OTA's. And for the majority of users, the wait is going to be worth it :)
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Thanks for the update. You better post as soon as you know the official OTA release date.
 
Was just at a Verizon store in Canton, MI (trudging through the 8 inches of snow we just got...) The associate I normally talk to whom I've found to be fairly knowledgeable, and techy himself, said that they typically get e-mail when something like a release gets rolled out. He checked - no e-mail as of yet. So still more waiting...
 
Nope, it will come when it comes and not a moment sooner.

But I still say that people who blame Verizon for a bad version of 2.1 on their Eris are out of their minds.

HTC made the phone. HTC created the modified Android 2.1 ROM and HTC is responsible for any problems. I might call Verizon tech support, if i had an issue. Just like i would call my dealership if i had a problem with my car. But i would blame the manufacturer for a defect, not the dealer. I don't blame the dealer for my Prius brakes needing a recall (read upgrade).
 
RagingAces said:
He checked - no e-mail as of yet. So still more waiting...
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thank you!
now everyone can calm down!!!
NOW how about everyone goes and helps the members who need our help. NKT or someone close to the situation will tell us when 2.1 is on its way out. I've got people waiting to let me know when anything big is going to be announced, and no its not just VZW people at the stores.

Anyway, look at all the 2.1 threads popping up, lets go take over them!
 
tcbj said:
hole in your theory is that if you downloaded the RC with Microsoft, you did so at your own risk. If you messed up your pc, lost info, or comprimised your private data, it was your problem.

If something happens to a cell phone and it gets bricked, your info is comprimised, you lose data. Are you gonna say, "oh well, my fault". No, your gonna call Verizon wanting a new phone not wanting to take any responsibility. then verizon is gonna tell you "buy a new phone" or verizon is gonna send you one at their cost. LOSE AND LOSE.

the testing works out in the end for all parties.

and no, i dont know when the update is being pushed.
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I don't see how it is different. People have pictures and valuable memories saved on their computers. People would flash a beta rom at their own risk as well. The Beta of 7 was not mandatory and neither would a ROM flash from verizon be necessary. Could you please elaborate on the differences?
 
gary1973 said:
Sic i would have to agree with you to a point. With Microsoft they made it easy to install two os's at the same time that way you could still use your computer if it glitched. With our phones there is not as much space to do that. Don't get me wrong i would love to beta test 2.1 as would several other people here. I think Verizon is worried about phone locking up or crashing and causing them a big problem. With a few beta testers using it and something goes wrong and the phone is bricked it would be a lot cheaper for them to just replace a couple of hundred phones then a couple of thousand.
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It would be optional just live the Beat of 7. I'm saying push an OTA, but allow people to download and flash a ROM. I don't recall 7 allowing you to dual boot during the install unless you set it up yourself. Yes space is an issue and so is bricking. That is why not everyone would do it, only those who felt the desire to test new software.
 
NKT said:
Well, this ought to cool the demanding of an early release. There were people who reported issues with the upgrade. Some had their phone's reset to factory and even had their SD cards wiped...

Does that sound like something you wanna deal with?

Is it being tested? Yes

Is screaming for an early release going to do anything? No

I do have a good feeling that it's not going to be THAT much longer till they announce OTA's. And for the majority of users, the wait is going to be worth it :)
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I was simply providing my 2 cents and giving an idea of other methods that have been successful aside for the tired old models that many companies still use. Please take my comments with a gain of salt.
 
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