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Evo 3D 'pro' reviews

I wouldn't worry about it too much. He has a history of bad Sprint connection at his house and his typical review areas. Also he seems rather hard on HTC Hardware all around when it comes to his reviews.

Evo 4G Shift
"In my home it captured two bars of signal strength, though that immediately jumped to three if I went outside. It lost all contact with Sprint's network in my basement, but this is typical of Sprint phones that I've tested. It also lost contact with the network in my local supermarket. When it was actively connected, though, I didn't miss any calls. Data speeds were mostly good, with a few noticeable slow downs here and there.

Turning on the 4G radio takes about one minute. Once it is active, it will find and connect to Sprint's WiMax network (if present). Sprint doesn't offer WiMax where I live, but I was able to take the EVO Shift 4G into New York City, where I tested it a bit.[Driving I'm guessing, or near the tall buildings] WiMax performance was spotty. It would connect to the WiMax network, only to lose it a few seconds later. It was rare that it maintained a solid connection for more than 10 minutes at a time. During that 10 minutes, web browsing was noticeably faster than browsing via 3G. Manhattan is a challenging environment for any cellular device, but I was disappointed with how the EVO Shift 4G performed in 4G mode."


Kyocera Echo
"Signal performance is all over the map with the Echo. It never consistently held onto Sprint's network. Sitting on my desk, it would show 5 bars, then drop to 2, then go back up to 4, then dwindle down to 0. In my basement, it alternately dropped the network entirely, and then displayed full signal strength. The Echo dropped a number of calls, and several required redialing before they could go through. Data connections were also spotty. Sometimes it connected right away, other times it stalled badly. Signal performance was quite poor on a trip into Manhattan. For example, the Echo took a long time to reconnect to the network after emerging from subway tunnels."
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"Call quality with the Echo was spotty. Earpiece volume was plenty loud, but calls suffered from a lot of scratchy static. I had the sound drop out entirely a number of times, and the clarity was simply not good. Those with whom I spoke said that I sounded distant."


I also noticed in reading through his other reviews that he seems like an all around tough guy to please. I'm not trying to put him down, he just seems somewhat negative and un-professional at times. In fact I actually appreciate that about him because he is not giving a free pass to anyone and looking at things with a realistic eye. He comes off like a typical everyday guy rather than someone all high and mighty?

Side note; one of the photos in the Evo 3D gallery is of the HTC Sensation on top of his Apple laptop in front of what looks to be an Apple Desktop. He also team reviewed the iphone, 3G, and 3GS along with the countless other products from many different manufacturers. I'm not trying to call him out or start a discussion about Apple products or its users I just though it should be considered food for thought. Please, spare me and everyone else here, and don't open that can of worms.

The photos he took are very disappointing to me. They look really poor, like there is a smudge on the glass or out of focus or something. Almost as if there was a soft light filter used, giving that soft vignette like you would see in an overly emotional scene from a 50's movie.

Once other reviews roll in hopefully we can come to an average and consider this one an outlier.

If you read his review of the sensation; you see that signal strength is stronger but he still has serious issues with garbled voice communication (distortion for sound). Battery life on the sensation was ok but not great. Oh well I'll have to check this one out in person even if the signal issue is specific to him the issue with phone calls (sound distortion) is not great.

Yeah, overall it just sounds like he has a pretty low signal where he is. Obviously this will affect call quality, the ability to stay connected, and battery life. I don't think there is anything that drains as much battery on my Evo as searching for 3G. I do research in basically a big brick box, and the signal is terrible. So I just turn on Wifi :)
 
Wow - they had it linked to their landing page (Phone Scoop) 30 minutes ago but now its gone.

I have to presume they pulled it. Bizare maybe they jumped some embargo or they wanted to double check some of the results.

Did the review get pulled? I get an Article Not Found error.
 
I haven't had a dropped call in over two years(maybe longer) and this guy gets dropped calls with every phone he gets from Sprint. Something doesn't jive.
 
Going into an Evo 3D, I was honestly concerned about one thing only - call quality. I'm coming from an HTC Incredible which had notoriously bad call quality in areas that didn't have super signal. Clipping (cutting off the first syllable) was reported by many, many people...

My biggest fear is that HTC uses the same/similar radio found in the EVO/Incredible and that users suffer for it. Note that Incredible users are/were flashing EVO radio firmware onto their devices looking for better signal strength because the radios were the same...

Please, HTC, don't let it be that you re-used that same radio for voice/3G.

I'm currently using a Nexus S 4G until the E3D arrives and the voice call quality is stellar -- pretty much the best I've ever heard in a cell. 4G, on the other hand, is awful....

Fingers crossed.
 
I'm guessing this review will be an outlier. I'll wait for reviews from Engadget and thisismynext before I worry about these issues.
 
Did everyone pick up what the reviewer said about battery life?

" HTC gave the EVO 3D's battery a significant boost over the original EVO 4G, increasing its capacity from 1500mAh to 1730mAh. Sprint said they believed that the increase would help squash the well-deserved complaints about the EVO 4G's battery life. While there is a definite improvement, the EVO 3D still does not have what I'd call "good" battery life. Where the EVO 4G barely lasted through lunch time, the EVO 3D at least makes it past 5PM consistently. Under WiMax coverage, it definitely died off in about 10 to 12 hours. In 3G-only coverage regions -- with the WiMax radio turned off -- the EVO 3D performed only marginally better. Ranging instead between 14 and 16 hours from full charge to dead. Bottom line: charge it every night, and make sure you have a USB cable handy at all times."

From his article he likes to leave 3G or 4G on. If he lives in a Sprint coverage area that only gets one bar, of course your 3G/mobile data signal is going to strain the battery. Don't really know why he leaves 3G on because if you become stranded and you are trying to conserve battery power you would want to leave 3G off. Could be the difference in you making a call to rescuers or dying. Authorities would still be able to find you if you are within range of a tower with 3G and GPS off.

Seidio is coming out with a 1900 mah battery I plan to order. Of course someone is going to reference the website that rated the different cell phone battery manufacturers and their batteries. That website is flawed especially when the website states they utilized a "used battery from Seidio." If you are going to test batteries for cell phones then you need to first use brand new batteries! Then test them on the same phones, running the same software, and performing the same tasks for the same periods of time. And if you aren't using individuals with a degree in engineering then I cannot accept your results. Anyone can setup a website and post whatever they want.
 
Also, your cell phone and carrier impacts talk quality. My friend uses T-mobile in Vegas and she always sounds garbled. I'm going to blame her phone and the microphone on her device. Typically CDMA carriers have good call quality. If you are going to review talk quality, tell the readers about the carrier and phone you contacted to test out call quality. It's like Everytime my boy talks to me on his AT&T iPhone 4, he sounds like ass and he drops calls. This information is important if you are going to give a review. If someone on Verizon with a Thunderbolt called me on my HTC Sprint Touch I might sound a little like ass on the phone using the speakerphone due to the microphone.
 
One nice thing, the screenshots from that review showed that the phone will now correctly identify you as being on CDMA1x. It has a 2G icon in the status bar. The EVO would always just show 3G no matter what.
 
4G is still being worked on. Sometimes I get the signal where I live and sometimes I don't. Downtown I can always get a signal. Stop moaning (reviewer) about 4G technology because satellite comms don't always work perfectly either and people come across garbled when I'm on the radio with folks. My point is no data or communication technology is perfect and satellite comms cost the government a lot of money.
 
I'm guessing this review will be an outlier. I'll wait for reviews from Engadget and thisismynext before I worry about these issues.

I agree 100%. There just aren't any solid in-depth reviews with actual production devices that are in the final state we'll be purchasing, and the reviews aren't from very reputable sources. There are some reviews stating that the battery life on the 3d is good, this Phone Scoop review says otherwise. Other reviews say the wireless signal and sound are great (which is on par for HTC as a whole), where Phone Scoop says otherwise.

I'll personally wait for a larger quantity of in-depth reviews before I get too concerned, if multiple reviews of production ready devices show these problems, then I'll start to worry.

I just don't see how HTC or Sprint would release the successor to the highly acclaimed and successful Evo 4G if it weren't better then the original. By better I mean address main issues with the original such as improving battery life, faster, better screen. Releasing a device that has the same or worse battery life when they know how many people were upset about that, or releasing a device that has poor wireless reception when the original had great reception wouldn't make much sense.

Who knows if this reviewer had a pre-production device, one that has issues, or if they simply weren't a fan of the original Evo4G and as such aren't a fan of the new Evo either.
 
With regards to in depth detail his review was quite good; engadget sucks rotten egg. They use to be very good but something happened 6 months or a year ago and their reviews have lots of pretty text but very little real detail.
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There might be issue with the phonescoop review and it is always possible that his experience were atypical but I though the individual points and comments were quite detailed. I'm will to chalk up some of his experience due to poor reception area and he should do a better job there in the review if he lives in a poor sprint area; but the audio comments (esp being very similar to sensation on a different network with good reception) is a bit of a concern.

Anyways i do hope some more solid reviews follow (most of the review sites are crap). Brandon seems to do a decent job as well as anandtech.

I agree 100%. There just aren't any solid in-depth reviews with actual production devices that are in the final state we'll be purchasing, and the reviews aren't from very reputable sources. There are some reviews stating that the battery life on the 3d is good, this Phone Scoop review says otherwise. Other reviews say the wireless signal and sound are great (which is on par for HTC as a whole), where Phone Scoop says otherwise.

I'll personally wait for a larger quantity of in-depth reviews before I get too concerned, if multiple reviews of production ready devices show these problems, then I'll start to worry.

I just don't see how HTC or Sprint would release the successor to the highly acclaimed and successful Evo 4G if it weren't better then the original. By better I mean address main issues with the original such as improving battery life, faster, better screen. Releasing a device that has the same or worse battery life when they know how many people were upset about that, or releasing a device that has poor wireless reception when the original had great reception wouldn't make much sense.

Who knows if this reviewer had a pre-production device, one that has issues, or if they simply weren't a fan of the original Evo4G and as such aren't a fan of the new Evo either.
 
Did the review get pulled? I get an Article Not Found error.

Yea it got pulled :(

I think that's what happened. Many review sites receive their review units ahead of time, so they have time to test it and then write the review. Then when NDA is lifted, they can immediately post the review. You see this happening a lot when Nvidia or AMD release new video cards, and on the day the NDA is lifted, 20 different reviews pop up from all the tech sites.

I'm guessing it's pulled b/c of either a mistake or b/c Sprint told them to pull it down. Hopefully this means we'll see more reviews coming out very soon.

Brief recap of the review for those who missed it:

Build quality:
He loved the quality of the phone, said it was solid and the back is very grippy. Though the edge of the glass could be a bit uncomfortable unlike the Sensation's, which felt great.

Screen:
Said it was beautiful and one of the best screens he's ever seen.

Signal:
He really didn't like this - inconsistent 3G and 4G connection, dropped some calls, data works fine on 3G, but voice not so great.

Sound:
Could be related to signal, but he said sound quality during calls are not that great and a bit garbled.

Battery:
As quote above, he says the Evo 4G dies around lunch time for him and the Evo 3D consistently makes it after 5pm. Battery life is around 10-12 hrs on 4G and 14-16 hrs on 3G. (if he has bad signal though, his battery life will be shorter)

Camera:
Great camera, says it's one of the best he's seen. 2D/3D stills are very sharp and clear. Same goes for 2D/3D video.

3D screen:
He doesn't like it. Gets dizzy.

Conclusion:
Great phone overall, but not impressed by 3D and signal connection and voice quality.

With regards to in depth detail his review was quite good; engadget sucks rotten egg. They use to be very good but something happened 6 months or a year ago and their reviews have lots of pretty text but very little real detail.
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Anyways i do hope some more solid reviews follow (most of the review sites are crap). Brandon seems to do a decent job as well as anandtech.

The original staff left after the site was purchased by AOL. They are now running the site www.thisismynext.com

I love Anandtech reviews, they always go a bit more in depth in terms of the technology used and it's great to read up on the "why" and "how" as well as the "what"
 
Very interesting how the review got pulled.

Sprint probably had their hand in it getting pulled.

Possilbe it was still a pre production model and they need to get everything sorted out?
 
Yeah, sorry guys, must have been pulled (sounds entirely plausible that it was accidentally posted early.) ebolamonkey3 and others did an excellent job of recapping (the review was actually really wordy, and the people reporting in here have done a good job of distilling it down.)

From what I recall, his only real gripes were battery life (although said it was better than the Evo), audio (garbling), signal strength, he gets a headache/doesn't like 3D, and that the edges on the front were "uncomfortable."

Heh, unfortunately, if everything he says is spot on, those are some..ahem, major issues. Hopefully this will become clearer in the coming days when we hopefully get inundated with reviews.

In trying to stay optimistic (or blindly not wanting to believe negative....), I'm going to chalk this up as that he's a tough reviewer who was in a terrible coverage area...until any corroboration comes to light in the form of other reviews.
 
The problem I have with the call quality part is that he didn't give it a baseline. Did he think the Evo 4G had garbled sound, for example? Was Evo 3D better or worse than other phones? By how much? Who was on the other line? How many different callers did he test with? How was THEIR reception? Were they holding their iPhone4s correctly? etc.

There are a lot of variables to consider. I didn't get to read the article, so I don't know if it's just reading all your summaries, but I don't feel he gave enough detail for me to make use of the call clarity observations.
 
You can look at the similar section for the sensation (on audio quality). But yea there is no baseline. I'm not sure of any reviewer that does a good job there. A few time they will make passing comments comparing a feature on one phone for another but I've not seen any decent reviews for smart phone where they try to quantify data (i.e, provide signal strength as oppose to one bar/two bar which is useless); or wavelength comaprison of audio signal.
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I guess that sort of thing would be too hard. I knwo that in the past he has no problem with audio on most phones so this stood out to me (it sounded like he had major issues understanding the person whom he was talking to on BOTH the sensation and evo3d)
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These are his comments for four phones:
lg revolution:
Sound

The Revolution is a fine voice phone. Most calls I made with it were clear and free of noise, hissing, or other problems. I noticed that voices were ever-so-slightly muffled from time to time, but that's the worst I can say about call quality. Earpiece volume is plenty sufficient at medium levels and bordering on painful when set all the way up. You'll be able to hear and understand most calls just fine. The speakerphone also worked well, with plenty of volume and good quality. Ringtones and alerts are generally loud enough when set all the way up. The vibrate alert was of average strength. You may feel it; you may not. It depends on how you're holding it or where it is stowed.
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evo 4g:
Sound

The HTC Evo 4G sounds great making phone calls. My callers sounded clear with no drop outs or sound problems. On their end, callers said I also sounded nice and present, without any static or that distant sound to my voice. I was able to navigate my bank's voice command system with no trouble. The speaker was also nice and loud and fairly clear, for a speakerphone. It distorted at the highest volume, but it did manage to get loud enough that I could use it for conversations in a fast moving car. The Evo 4G also has a nice, loud ring. I could easily hear the ringer from across my house or when the phone was stuffed deep inside a backpack.
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sensation:
Sound

Call quality was the first real disappointment I came across with the Sensation 4G. The earpiece produced plenty of volume, but calls had a persistent hiss and often voices came across as garbled. Call quality wasn't horrendous, but it wasn't good, either. As for the speakerphone, it is weak. It barely has the audio power of a pair of headphones. It almost sounded as though turning on the speakerphone only kicked the earpiece into maximum overdrive. Whatever HTC is doing with the speakerphone, it's not enough and it needs more power. Ditto for ringers and alert tones. Set to the maximum, they were barely audible in a room with screaming kids. They just aren't loud enough. The vibrate alert, however, is plenty strong.

xperia play:

Sound

Quality of the calls that went through was actually quite good. Voices were clear in the earpiece, with little-to-no extraneous noise at all. The earpiece volume left a bit to be desired, though. Set to maximum, it would work well in a quiet home, but even a TV was enough to make phone calls hard to hear. The ringers were very loud, as were alert tones, and alarms. The speakerphone was plenty loud, but the vibrate alert was hardly strong enough to be felt in my pocket.
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So it sounds like a real problem with the sensation and evo3d as it is unique to them. Reviewer was different for evo 4g; but the same for the other three.


The problem I have with the call quality part is that he didn't give it a baseline. Did he think the Evo 4G had garbled sound, for example? Was Evo 3D better or worse than other phones? By how much? Who was on the other line? How many different callers did he test with? How was THEIR reception? Were they holding their iPhone4s correctly? etc.

There are a lot of variables to consider. I didn't get to read the article, so I don't know if it's just reading all your summaries, but I don't feel he gave enough detail for me to make use of the call clarity observations.
 
I am not the slightest bit concerned about any negative review. I will be getting this phone on launch day. If it is a disappointment, which I know it won't be but just hypothetically, then I will just return the thing.

I'm keeping my Evo 4G, so if the 3D is a disappointment then I will just ESN swap back to my Evo 4G and go with what has been working for me for over a year now. And I will then return the Evo 3D and get a refund.

You don't have to sign a lifetime contract written in blood when you buy the Evo 3D. If it doesn't work for you, just take it back. No need to get all worked up about someone else's opinions.

I basically use these reviews to see the features and workflow of the device. Settings are here, these apps are included, it looks this big in the hand, etc. I also like to see pictures and videos from the device, and things like that.

If all of that appeals to me, then I will get the device. I don't care about the Sprint service in the reviewer's particular area. I don't even really care if he liked the phone or not. Like I said, I can make up my own mind when I have it in my own hands. And if it turns out to be less than I expected, it's no big deal to take it back.
 
Not disagreeing with anything you wrote, BlackDynamite, but a lot of people do rely on reviews to help them make their decision. Yes, Sprint even gives you 30 days to swap out to another device, but what if you value that option and don't want to waste it on a device that is known to have issues? Last I checked, call quality is not something you can test in the store, though I might now decide to make a fuss about it and see if they can give me an activated phone to test.

And for sure, I'll have my Evo handy to make some comparisons.
 
What struck me is that HTC left some bloatware off the device like Friendstream and Qik. Now if Sprint wouldn't add any of their garbage apps except for Sprint TV and Sprint Zone. Not that I use either app.
 
Actually that is one thing I do; in sprint stores near me they have live phones. I always call 1-800-000-0000 to listen to the recording. Far from perfect test but a good starter. This is one reason I stopped checking phones at best buy; those mock ups are worthless (to me). If I am actually serious about buying the phone I will call a person or find a store with a live phone I can use to make real calls.
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Obviously my priorities are different than a lot of folks. I would be happy to pre-order the evo3d if the stores would carry live samples before release date. Usually a manager will ahve one and let me take a sneak preview if I ask very nicely (not sprint or verizon; but tmobile has a few time).

Not disagreeing with anything you wrote, BlackDynamite, but a lot of people do rely on reviews to help them make their decision. Yes, Sprint even gives you 30 days to swap out to another device, but what if you value that option and don't want to waste it on a device that is known to have issues? Last I checked, call quality is not something you can test in the store, though I might now decide to make a fuss about it and see if they can give me an activated phone to test.

And for sure, I'll have my Evo handy to make some comparisons.
 
Not disagreeing with anything you wrote, BlackDynamite, but a lot of people do rely on reviews to help them make their decision. Yes, Sprint even gives you 30 days to swap out to another device, but what if you value that option and don't want to waste it on a device that is known to have issues? Last I checked, call quality is not something you can test in the store, though I might now decide to make a fuss about it and see if they can give me an activated phone to test.

And for sure, I'll have my Evo handy to make some comparisons.


I believe the in store phones are activated. I've made calls from them before.
 
thanks, guys. 800-000-0000. interesting. never knew about that.

just called it. message has some background hiss. sounds like it's part of the message. will try with a different phone tonight.

But... when the line was ringing, those tones sounded crisp. I know in areas of low reception, those tones will get distorted.
 
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