Evo Outduels iPhone 4 on. CNET Prizefight

[dr g]

I totally agree with this statement. As far as customizations and what can be done on a WM device, an iPhone would be considered the totally other side of the planet. Android is definitely the next gen WM

And WM is still to this day more powerful than Android, which is worlds more powerful than iOS.

 

[Caloy]

And WM is still to this day more powerful than Android, which is worlds more powerful than iOS.

When you say that WM is still more powerful than Android, are you talking about customization? If you said yes, I disagree.

 

[eric3316]

And WM is still to this day more powerful than Android, which is worlds more powerful than iOS.

I agree. It is not that Android is really bringing anything new to the table over WM, it is just doing it it in a much nicer package which feels more current then WM.

Microsoft could have locked down the smartphone audience but all of their updates for the past 8 years were so minor. It just kept feeling like the same thing over and over. People just wanted to feel like they were getting something new after so many years.

Now it seems like Microsoft will offer to little to late with WP7.

 

[fourgee]

I'm new to the whole "smartphone" thing. Got my 1st (BB Curve) 6 mo ago. Once I realized that the BB wasn't "sending a thrill up my leg" I started researching.
Regardless of all the bells & whistles bottom line for me is Freedom. I can go Apple & be led around on Stevie's leash, do what he lets me do, hold my phone the way he wants me to hold my phone or I can go EVO w/Android.

 

[MrX8503]

Shame you equated the 30 fps cap to Android and not specifically the EVO. If you'd done more/better research, you'd know this, and have would have gone for another Android phone instead, since +30 fps was the deal breaker for you.

Uh, I've done tons of research. I've been a big advocate of the 30fps cap since day one. I suspected its issue even before its announcement.

For me the EVO is Android's top device, so it was either that or the iPhone. Besides I only had a 30day window to make a decision.

You must not have done much with winmo if you can possibly be okay with an iphone. Seriously.

Are you honestly sticking up for WinMo 6.0? The most decrepit mobile OS out there? What WinMo can do does not excuse how terrible the OS is. I see a lot of users not being able to grasp this idea.

"Welcome to 2010, my phone has been able to do that for years"

The problem with the statement above is that a phone can have 1000 features, but can't do any one thing well. How this is perceived as acceptable is beyond me.

ok... good that you made your personal decision to go with iphone. which is cool ... each to their own.

but.. I would like to ask you.. because I am just plain curious.

Why would the 30fps be such a big deal to you... which I think is fixable with a software upgrade. But then you can be ok with the "death grip" on the iphone, which IMO is not fixable with software upgrade! Then you add in the data cap and extra fees and the higher price, which is not fixable at all.

Thanks for your response.

Well, everyone has their own reasons as to why they buy the phones they do. My #1 reason is the OS and its performance, everything else is 2nd place. In my opinion I think iOS4 is the best performing OS, I'm not going to get into reasons why that is, it would take forever to explain. I look at every single nook and cranny when I'm using a mobile OS, then I weigh in all the factors.

Even though the 30fps issue was fixable, the solution didn't present itself within the 30days. Ontop of this when the solution did present itself, it requires a root and HTC's current stance on it as of now is that its "unfixable". The fix is not supported by HTC, and that pretty much angers me, so I refuse to purchase any future HTC product. They believe people don't care about the problem, so I made my voice heard by returning their device.

The death grip is unfortunate, but I guess I don't really experience the effects of it because I'm right handed. If I was left handed, I would probably be upset.

Last I checked, most of us bought the EVO to use as a phone correct? And a PDA type device. So the 30FPS cap doesn't effect us at all. Most don't play games that need that FPS on a phone anyways.

Now with the iphone, with it's hardware issue antenna, you touch that section, you drop calls, you lose your data signal. Personally that is a big issue if we can't make calls.

The 30FPS doesn't affect EVO users at all? Tell that to the hard working members over at XDA who are trying to fix this problem and then get back to me.

I do lose signal if I touch the left side of my iPhone, but I haven't experienced it dropping a call because of that result. If I lived in an area where ATT service was weaker, I would probably experience the drop call.

I totally agree with this statement. As far as customizations and what can be done on a WM device, an iPhone would be considered the totally other side of the planet. Android is definitely the next gen WM

Yeah because all phone users buy a phone for customization purposes. If that were the case WinMo would be booming instead of keeling over.

EDIT:

There is one last thing. I miss the screen size of the EVO quite a bit. I think Apple dropped the ball on the screen size as new phones are released, I'm quite sure all smartphones will be at least 4" from here on out.

The retina display is visually stunning and its quality is unmatched, if it weren't for that I wouldn't of accepted the smaller screen. I also miss the panoramic wallpaper feature of Android, I'm not sure why Apple didn't incorporate this when they let users to have custom wallpapers. Custom wallpapers is meh, but a panoramic one is pretty sweet.

 

[dan330]

Well, everyone has their own reasons as to why they buy the phones they do. My #1 reason is the OS and its performance, everything else is 2nd place.

Even though the 30fps issue was fixable, the solution didn't present itself within the 30days. Ontop of this when the solution did present itself, it requires a root and HTC's current stance on it as of now is that its "unfixable". The fix is not supported by HTC, and that pretty much angers me, so I refuse to purchase any future HTC product. They believe people don't care about the problem, so I made my voice heard by returning their device.

The death grip is unfortunate, but I guess I don't really experience the effects of it because I'm right handed. If I was left handed, I would probably be upset.

I 100% agree with you... about each person's right to have thier own decision guidelines and make the choice that fits them best!

performance is important....to you as you stated.
PHONE performance on a PHONE would then be on your top check point list (i am guessing; not a mind reader ). AT&T does not make that check! "deathgrip" on iphone 4 dont make that check!

I am right handed!
I use my right hand a lot!
While on the phone... I use my right hand for other functions as they come up.
GUESS WHICH HAND THE PHONE ENDS UP, WHEN MY RIGHT HAND IS BUSY?

please dont tell me that never happens to you!

PS.. I am glad you live and work in an area that has great AT&T signal strength. And I hope you dont visit or move to areas that dont (which I hear is pretty large)

 

[MrX8503]

performance is important....to you as you stated.
PHONE performance on a PHONE would then be on your top check point list (i am guessing; not a mind reader ). AT&T does not make that check! "deathgrip" on iphone 4 dont make that check!

When I say performance I'm talking about the OS itself and its software. The deathgrip is unfortunate, but like I said before it hasn't affected my abilities to make phone calls or do anything data intensive on my phone.

The iPhone came out in 2007, its been many years since then and there still hasn't been an OS that has given me what I wanted. I held off buying an iPhone for this long and I still don't see another mobile OS stepping up to the plate. So guess what? Apple just earned my money from producing a solid OS 4 years ago and I think they deserve the credit.

Once Android matures I'll give it the same chance I gave the iPhone, but Android isn't getting my money until probably much later after Gingerbread. I suspect Android's polish wont come to light until after Gingerbread.

 

[dan330]

When I say performance I'm talking about the OS itself and its software. The deathgrip is unfortunate, but like I said before it hasn't affected my abilities to make phone calls or do anything data intensive on my phone.

The iPhone came out in 2007, its been many years since then and there still hasn't been an OS that has given me what I wanted. I held off buying an iPhone for this long and I still don't see another mobile OS stepping up to the plate. So guess what? Apple just earned my money from producing a solid OS 4 years ago and I think they deserve the credit.

Once Android matures I'll give it the same chance I gave the iPhone, but Android isn't getting my money until probably much later after Gingerbread. I suspect Android's polish wont come to light until after Gingerbread.

there is a reason they sell so many iphones.
Enjoy!

 

[stainlessray]

I think it's crazy comparing phones, every phone has its ups. The htc evo has the large screen, 4G, open source, and excellent service plans. While the iPhone, has it excellent app store, user friendly, easier to get repaired (Apple Store), and easier to sync. I personally love the htc evo, I wouldn't trade it for the iPhone 4G, mainly because I got use to the large screen.

it is not a 4g device... please stop calling it iphone 4g.... it is just ip4. (i'd like to see that test)

 

[flyjbaker]

I agree with you to a degree. But i dont think a person can say something is the best just because the most people buy it. That applies to any product. Think of how many products lead the market in sales in their category but are not the best products. It happens so often. It is about marketing. Cars is a good example. Think of how many people bought honda accords from 98-02 because they were marketed and had a reputation of being all around great. So many people went out and bought those care because the brand "Accord". They didnt even look at the competition. They just went in to the honda dealerships and paid full sticker price for the cars because they just assumed it was the best car. Well that generation of accords has a terrible transmission that has failed at an amazingly high rate. Many people that bought them have had to replace the transmission twice already by 100k miles.

Point is iPhone has become a brand. Most people that bought the iPhone 4 didnt even look at anything else. They just assumed it was the best and bought it. Sales numbers are not an indication of what product is best. But instead show what product is best marketed. Moto Droid outsold evo so far relatively. Droid was better marketed. Most people have never heard of an EVO.

I think a better example would be Quarter Pounders. Mickey D's has sold more QPs across the face of this earth than any other burger on earth.....it doesn't make it the best burger!!!...and we all know it is not.

 

[dan330]

I think a better example would be Quarter Pounders. Mickey D's has sold more QPs across the face of this earth than any other burger on earth.....it doesn't make it the best burger!!!...and we all know it is not.

my 6 yr old.. will argue with you!

 

[darrinv8]

iPhone 4 Vs HTC EvoVideo

This says all you need to know LOL

 

[JunBringer]

Sales numbers dont dictate the best.


The iphone has some advantages over the EVO. Video camera is a big one if you use that feature (i do), and battery life is another.

Sales numbers definitely don't dictate what product is best, agreed. Even moreso the iOS vs Android to me is more of a demographics issue. Super nerds like myself who wanna mess with everything and customize to levels beyond comprehension will probably go to Android. Whereas entry level and some tech nerds want something that looks attractive, has good games and just works without potential for DFU-Errors will go for iOS.

About the battery life: Yes some people had issues, but like I just said Android is set up for user-control. You can leave all your radios on like a **** and let the battery die if you choose to, or you can pay attention to what you're doing and get great battery life as I do (Rarely go below 60% and that's with heavy use).

 

[MrX8503]

About the battery life: Yes some people had issues, but like I just said Android is set up for user-control. You can leave all your radios on like a **** and let the battery die if you choose to, or you can pay attention to what you're doing and get great battery life as I do (Rarely go below 60% and that's with heavy use).

I've owned both the evo and the iPhone and I would say that the Evo has ok battery life if you do all of the optimizations. Even after all of that, the battery life still pales in comparison to the iPhone.

 

[jrstinkfish]

So if you leave WiFi, 4G (heh), Bluetooth, and GPS on all day for an iPhone 4, you won't have to stick it on the charger at the end of day? From what I hear, the iPhone is only marginally better than the Evo if you leave everything on.

I think one day's use from a charge is pretty much a fact of life for these types of smartphones, iPhone included.

 

[MrX8503]

So if you leave WiFi, 4G (heh), Bluetooth, and GPS on all day for an iPhone 4, you won't have to stick it on the charger at the end of day? From what I hear, the iPhone is only marginally better than the Evo if you leave everything on.

I think one day's use from a charge is pretty much a fact of life for these types of smartphones, iPhone included.

What you heard doesn't match my experience. When I had the evo it would last from 7am to 4pm. My iPhone? It would last till 8pm. The battery life isn't marginally better, it's significantly better.

This is the difference between ok and excellent battery life. The battery life on the Evo didn't bother me because it wasn't bad, but when you have a device that lasts a whole day it's pretty amazing. I talked on the phone for hours and for the first time I didn't have to be hooked up to a wall outlet.

 

[jerzeywill]

The trade off on evo is that you can replace the battery. I take less battery life as tradeoff for true multitasking and replaceable battery.

 

[MrX8503]

Niether phones do true multitasking. I'm not sure why people are caught up on true multitasking anyway. The only advantage is so that you can say that your phone has it. Both android/ios4 does multi fine.

Extra batteries is up to the user. For me I would rather not carry batteries so this doesn't affect me. Even when I had my touch diamond I didn't have extra batteries.

 

[eric3316]

Yeah because all phone users buy a phone for customization purposes. If that were the case WinMo would be booming instead of keeling over.

Never said that and obviously not everyone who buys a phone cares about customizing it. That is why there is an iPhone. For people who cannot make their own decisions and need to be told what they can and cannot do.

For the more advanced user, their is WM and Android. If the iPhone was actually the first smartphone device instead of WM, we would have one dumb ass smart phone user base.

 

[jrstinkfish]

What you heard doesn't match my experience. When I had the evo it would last from 7am to 4pm. My iPhone? It would last till 8pm. The battery life isn't marginally better, it's significantly better.

This is the difference between ok and excellent battery life. The battery life on the Evo didn't bother me because it wasn't bad, but when you have a device that lasts a whole day it's pretty amazing. I talked on the phone for hours and for the first time I didn't have to be hooked up to a wall outlet.

Since my last charge: 10 hours unplugged, 67% battery life remaining. It's true that 6 of those hours, I was asleep, but in my experience, it'll last until I go to bed tonight. My best was 36 hours unplugged. Granted, I never use bluetooth, only have Wifi on when I'm home (thanks to Y5), and only use GPS when needed, but that's how I'd normally use my phone, and on average, I get an entire day from a charge. When I'm at work, it's a bit different because I usually have zero bars and the phone is constantly struggling for a signal.

I also owned a Moto Q9c that would get about 5 hours on a charge (left me high and dry in the middle of NYC, the bastard), if I was lucky. And a Pre that was completely schizo about how long it'd last. But the Evo has been pretty consistent with me since the "new" has worn off of it and I'm not playing with it every minute.

Edit: I don't doubt your battery experience with the Evo -- seems a lot of people have the same experience, just relating mine, which is mostly positive.

 

[MrX8503]

Never said that and obviously not everyone who buys a phone cares about customizing it. That is why there is an iPhone. For people who cannot make their own decisions and need to be told what they can and cannot do.

For the more advanced user, their is WM and Android. If the iPhone was actually the first smartphone device instead of WM, we would have one dumb ass smart phone user base.

You never said it, but you were championing "customizations" almost to the point where you were hinting towards that WinMo is a better OS than iOS4, which IMO is completely ludicrous.

WM/Android = More advance users? Generalizations after generalizations. If a programmer can make an OS that is easy to use, how is this a negative? Programmers should be commended for their efforts for releasing an OS that is full featured, while being easy to use. This is quite a difficult task compared to an OS where its functions are entangled like spaghetti.

If the iPhone was the first smartphone then we would have a dumb user base? That is a pretty sizable assumption. If you're able to make that assumption, then I can assume that without the iPhone, we wouldn't have....

Android
WinMo7
BB OS 6
Symbian 4

All 4 of those mobile OSs are now incorporating multimedia and a more robust App store because of the iPhone in 2007.

Edit: I don't doubt your battery experience with the Evo -- seems a lot of people have the same experience, just relating mine, which is mostly positive.

My experience was that the EVO's battery life was ok, it wasn't bad.

 

[Deleted User]

Niether phones do true multitasking. I'm not sure why people are caught up on true multitasking anyway.

One too many drinks of the kool aid, me thinks. Make the iP4's impression of multitasking seem good by downplaying the impressiveness of Android's true multitasking. K.

 

[RoboMonkey]

Niether phones do true multitasking. I'm not sure why people are caught up on true multitasking anyway..

Please enlighten us as to what "true multitasking is"?
I thought it was when the OS could handle multiple applications actively running in the foreground and back ground at the same time, now I'm confused.
So while the iPhone can do it they've chosen to implement it on a limited basis and google has not.
Thanks

 

[jerzeywill]

Please enlighten us as to what "true multitasking is"?
I thought it was when the OS could handle multiple applications actively running in the foreground and back ground at the same time, now I'm confused.
So while the iPhone can do it they've chosen to implement it on a limited basis and google has not.
Thanks

iPhone does not have multitasking as apps don't run in background. iPhone has fast app switching. IPhone apps freeze in state you left them, apple allowed APIs continue to send data such as music, notifications etc. So it's limited to apple allowed APIs.

 

[MrX8503]

One too many drinks of the kool aid, me thinks. Make the iP4's impression of multitasking seem good by downplaying the impressiveness of Android's true multitasking. K.

Please enlighten us as to what "true multitasking is"?
I thought it was when the OS could handle multiple applications actively running in the foreground and back ground at the same time, now I'm confused.
So while the iPhone can do it they've chosen to implement it on a limited basis and google has not.
Thanks

That's what true multitasking is and guess what, those mobile OSs are still shit. So while you may tout Android's multitasking feature, how does it in anyway make it a superior OS? Its the total package not any one thing. IMO I think Palm was on to something with the cards multitasking. Unfortunately Palm died off.