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Found a music store that sells high quality MP3's.. for $.05 per track! LEGAL!!

Yes, you're right, it is simple economics. You're not doing the math right. I don't have a problem with digital media, I love it. But typical royalties are based on the sale price of the product. For example, you buy a song for $1, right? The artist gets 4
 
Oh, and by the way, digital media still costs something to reproduce. Someone still has to set up the program to reproduce it. Someone still has to market it. Someone still has to upload it into the server where others can buy it. The stuff just doesn't appear out of thin air....
 
I do understand what you are saying though, to get a little but is better than none at all, but if we are buying our merchandise from China, Russia, Japan, etc., who gets the money?
Does it stay in the US, or does it go elsewhere?

They were talking about this the other day on CCTV News as Xi Jinping, the Chinese VP, was in the US all week. They used the Apple iPhone as an example. They basically said that if an American consumer buys a US brand like Apple, most of the money does actually stay in the US with Apple, some of that goes in tax to the US Govt, although the jobs to actually make the iPhones are in China. On the other hand if a US consumer buys a Chinese brand like Huawei or Lenovo, most of their dollars goes to China.
 
They were talking about this the other day on CCTV News as Xi Jinping, the Chinese VP was in the US all week. They used the Apple iPhone as an example. They basically said that if an consumer buys a US brand like Apple, most of the money does actually stay in the US with Apple, some of that goes in tax to the US Govt, although the jobs to actually make the iPhones are in China. On the other hand if the US consumer buys a Chinese brand like Huawei or Lenovo, most of their dollars goes to China.

Very insightful sir!
 
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'Nuff said....
 
Well, that stinks... It was there earlier.... It's on my studio's website server... I don't know why it's not working anymore...
 
There, I think I fixed it...

Who said anything about working for free? All I said is adapt to the market, or get left behind. I've had to change professions because of a market shift, and I realized what was already taking place. In fact, you can call me an "artist" too. A digital artist.

The difference between me and you? I realized the market was shifting whether I like it or not. And regardless of your beliefs, things are only worth what the market is willing to pay for them.

Adapt, or be left behind.
 
Who said anything about working for free? All I said is adapt to the market, or get left behind. I've had to change professions because of a market shift, and I realized what was already taking place. In fact, you can call me an "artist" too. A digital artist.

The difference between me and you? I realized the market was shifting whether I like it or not. And regardless of your beliefs, things are only worth what the market is willing to pay for them.

In the US, you can hopefully sell your songs for a buck each, assuming people don't want to use lower priced foreign music stores or simply just BitTorrent them. Which is exactly what a musician/composer friend of mine does, sells his songs directly on iTunes, gets all the proceeds, minus Apple's commission. There's Jonathan Coulton, a very successful independent artist. He's not dealing with any greedy old-skool record labels taking 96% cuts. Then there's China, where you basically have to give your music away, in return for ad revenue.
 
Well, help me understand something then Iowa. You said that shortly the only thing that's going to exist is digital media, and that no one is going to pay for it... So if that's true, how are the artists going to make any money?
 
I hate to tell you this, but the "there will be no artists" angle has been debunked many times by many different people. Once upon a time art was created just to be created, not for monetary gain. Artists are going to go away, ever.

Some/many of these artists, music is both a love and a way to put groceries in the pantry. True artists--whatever they are--will still create. But for some, we are talking about their livelihood.
 
Well, help me understand something then Iowa. You said that shortly the only thing that's going to exist is digital media, and that no one is going to pay for it... So if that's true, how are the artists going to make any money?

Denny's perhaps. Always a way to make money. Those artists do not need revenue; the bastards create music for fun, so how dare they try to make a buck. We all know it is the MPA/RIAA's fault. Greedy fools how dare they infringe on the rights of you and me to have free music.
 
Lol. I don't have a problem with hard work either.... I also have a full time job on top of selling my art. Heck, everybody knows that that's no steady income...
I don't have a problem with adapting to the changes in the market either. That's why I signed up with a company to distribute my work. Yeah sure I take a huge loss doing things that way, but they do all the advertising, selling, printing, and distributing for me. Catch 22 I guess...
 
Well, help me understand something then Iowa. You said that shortly the only thing that's going to exist is digital media, and that no one is going to pay for it... So if that's true, how are the artists going to make any money?

Build a fan base. Connect with your fans. Give them a reason to buy. Merchandising. Did you know the vast majority of Musical Artists make 90%+ of their income from endorsements, merchandise, and concerts?

Interesting isn't it? Some artists even giving their art away from free have saw significant returns. How? Well for starters, getting something free is a great way to try it and build fans. There are a million and one ways to make money as an artist, all you have to do is pick one, or two, or three, whatever suits your fancy.

And signing with a company for "distribution"... that's not exactly what I'd call adapting to the market. That' an old, tired, and fading system...
 
Actually I've done that too. I've given a lot of work to charity for fund raising and have gotten a tremendous return as a result. However you can't give everything away for free you know? And signing up with a distributor is actually a smart idea for an artist, as the art world is changing. No one collects art anymore. But having the distributor helps me reach an expanded market and gets me into places I couldn't get into before. So even though in your mind it's an old, tired, fading system, it actually makes perfect sense.
 
Right now the current trend in the art market is to license your work out to companies that will put your work on stuff like souvenirs, magnets, greeting cards, calendars, etc. So actually that is adapting to the market, and that's what I've done.
 
Right now the current trend in the art market is to license your work out to companies that will put your work on stuff like souvenirs, magnets, greeting cards, calendars, etc. So actually that is adapting to the market, and that's what I've done.

Just to make sure, you're referring to visual arts here, right?

the reason I ask is it's a whole different animal from audio/video. First of all, as you said, people don't collect it. You have to make quality work and sell them to the few who want it at a high-ish(compared to the costs of audiovisual industry anyway) price to stay afloat. In the music business, the way to profit is selling a copy to every member of the population if you can manage it.

The current trend with audiovisual works seems to be you sign with a RIAA affiliate, giving them copyright over your work in the process. and they sell the product while giving you 2% of the cut. Then you pay them for permission to use your own work (since they now own the copyright) to go on concert tours where you stand a chance at actually making some money.

Who says this 5c site pays the artist only 2%? With such a low sale price, they can easily make 30 times the sales of $1 sites. Now, since the cost of maintaining a server and bandwidth is a flat rate, maximizing the number of sales means they get all their costs covered (esp since all they do is provide server space and manage finances), and the artist can easily get more money than they would from their local RIAA affiliate.

I looked into Russian copyright law a little bit and IANAL but AFAICT, Russia's law doesn't recognize the ability for someone to own a copyright other than the creator of the work while that creator still lives. So again, AFAICT, the reason that article from the New york times or whatever calls the legality of that site into question is because as far as Russia is concerned, the copyright holder is whoever created it, and not RIAA.

And you know what? I'm pretty sure no argument can be made on the basis of morality as to why RIAA isn't getting the money it needs to expand its C-level excecutives' paychecks is bad.


Also, I'm pretty sure Leonardo DaVinci died in poverty because he wasn't able to pay people to take his works off his hands, yet he still painted.
 
It's pretty much the same with visual arts. If you license your work out, you're giving that company the right to use your copyrighted material. They in turn give you a percentage of the profit. They in turn mass produce your work and distribute it on stuff like greeting cards, mugs, calendars, etc.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea, or that you shouldn't buy you're music from these sites. I'm just saying that we need to think before we do things that's all. As I've already, I have no idea who pays the musician. Is it the record label, or is it the person distributing the music? I believe it's the record label.
So what I'm trying to figure out is if an album or a song is sold for a fraction of the usual cost, who eats the cost? Is there a wholesale price on music?
 
It's pretty much the same with visual arts. If you license your work out, you're giving that company the right to use your copyrighted material. They in turn give you a percentage of the profit. They in turn mass produce your work and distribute it on stuff like greeting cards, mugs, calendars, etc.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea, or that you shouldn't buy you're music from these sites. I'm just saying that we need to think before we do things that's all. As I've already, I have no idea who pays the musician. Is it the record label, or is it the person distributing the music? I believe it's the record label.
So what I'm trying to figure out is if an album or a song is sold for a fraction of the usual cost, who eats the cost? Is there a wholesale price on music?

Eat's what cost? You're not getting it...

THERE IS NO COST!
 
Eat's what cost? You're not getting it...

THERE IS NO COST!

I think he was saying the price of 5c vs 99c. Someone is obviously getting paid less.I would imagine the artists AND record labels are getting screwed over this way (you know, compared to iTunes) .

Now me, I honestly wouldn't have bought the music that I got from this site anywhere else. If I did, I'd be looking at about 300+ .I'd rather listen to the damn radio. In this case,some profit is going back. Now if everyone who didnt buy music before began to buy from sites that sold music for less, the profit would add up.
 
I think he was saying the price of 5c vs 99c. Someone is obviously getting paid less.I would imagine the artists AND record labels are getting screwed over this way (you know, compared to iTunes) .

Now me, I honestly wouldn't have bought the music that I got from this site anywhere else. If I did, I'd be looking at about 300+ .I'd rather listen to the damn radio. In this case,some profit is going back. Now if everyone who didnt buy music before began to buy from sites that sold music for less, the profit would add up.

My point exactly. Prices on digital media have been hyper inflated for too long, which is why napster blew up like it did back in the 90's. Now imagine if the labels adapted to this business model, they'd squash piracy in an instant.
 
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