It's also one of those things more noticeable to some people. PLUS, like a lot of things once you notice something, you to to get tunnel vision and focus solely on that...
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Galaxy Nexus or Rezound?
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It's also one of those things more noticeable to some people. PLUS, like a lot of things once you notice something, you to to get tunnel vision and focus solely on that...
socarwolverine
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I agree, but people also like to complain.
dezignstuff
Newbie
Can someone clarify what "pure google experience" really means? I've used phones with Sense, and I've used rooted and rom'ed phones. Can you be specific about what advantages a "pure google" phone would have?
My experience is that you can load just about any software. The market has tons of stuff, and there is plenty of stuff outside of the market as well. Even my old Eris could run gingerbread, and I could replace components of the OS to make it run like a much more advanced phone. On the other hand, my Incredible2 has been kept purely HTC stock, keeping the older phone for experimentation.
I'm just curious, what's the advantage of being "pure google" if you're able to root and rom a phone anyway?
My experience is that you can load just about any software. The market has tons of stuff, and there is plenty of stuff outside of the market as well. Even my old Eris could run gingerbread, and I could replace components of the OS to make it run like a much more advanced phone. On the other hand, my Incredible2 has been kept purely HTC stock, keeping the older phone for experimentation.
I'm just curious, what's the advantage of being "pure google" if you're able to root and rom a phone anyway?
Sandroidfan
Android Expert
Nexus phone lets you enjoy pure Google stock android OS without having to go through rooting and roming. Even if you root and rom for Google experience on other phone, you won't get the first official android OS updates. That always comes to nexus first.
Gravytrain
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Sandroidfan
Android Expert
Vanilla android has its own default widgets, themes. ICS will have new better widgets, but none other than testers, some reporters have seen that yet. So we have to get our hands on it first.
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TxGoat
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I personally think it's Fanboianese. It's the same response you get when you ask someone what's the benefits of rooting, It's just personal preference. I'm sure anyone that would chat up the "pure google experience" would just as well root the phone and those that would tell you how great it is to root the phone would just sit on the same rom for about a year. To me it's not a deal breaker for what I need the phone to do.
One question I wonder, with Google purchasing Motorola Mobile does that mean that their support of the GN will not be as comprehensive as some people anticipate? I know when my parents had my younger brother, I was rather neglected....damn that little stinker!
GalaxyNexus
Android Enthusiast
I personally think it's Fanboianese. It's the same response you get when you ask someone what's the benefits of rooting, It's just personal preference. I'm sure anyone that would chat up the "pure google experience" would just as well root the phone and those that would tell you how great it is to root the phone would just sit on the same rom for about a year. To me it's not a deal breaker for what I need the phone to do.
One question I wonder, with Google purchasing Motorola Mobile does that mean that their support of the GN will not be as comprehensive as some people anticipate? I know when my parents had my younger brother, I was rather neglected....damn that little stinker!
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TxGoat
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You know instead of rolling your eyes you can say why you think a "pure google experience" is better. No offense but this is the same response I got from a co-worker when they were talking about how much better their phone was because it was "pure google". Feel free to educate me as to why the pure google experience is better. Like I said, it doesn't seem like a deal breaker to me.
Sandroidfan
Android Expert
As I mentioned at some post above, Nexus lets you experience pure Google without having to root, rom your phone. You might think rooting other phone also does the same thing, but you won't get the first official android update at the same time as Nexus. Phone like Rezound has heavy Sense UI deeply integrated to android OS and this will cause delayed update especially major one like GB to ICS.
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TxGoat
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That still doesn't answer my question, what's so special about running pure google? I'm not trying to be an ass but I hear people say this and I still don't see why this is such a big deal. I'm really trying to figure out what route to go and considering this is something people really tout about the Nexus, thus I'm curious if there's anything to it. It's kind of like the display, I know the benefits of more DPI and a higher resolution. I can't help think that a "pure google experience" is just personal preference.
... Running pure Google means you get a completely 100% bloated free phone, no UI overlay and updates as soon as they're out. When 4.01 or w/e next comes out, GNexus will have it the soonest. HTC will be bloated w vz apps, will receive updates at HTCs leisure, will have sense UI. Just some examples.
1) All the crap verizon adds plus the ui's added on by the mfg slow the phone down. When I buy a new pc or laptop the fiat thing I do is reinstall windows so the pc only runs what it needs to run. Anything additional I want I add over time. Pure google should outperform an OS that is tampered with on the same hardware.
2) you will get os updates sooner with nexus.
3) nexus doesn't have obsolete dedicated buttons.
Two good choices either way though. My only heartache is why does vzw charge 100 more for their premium phones than att and sprint?
2) you will get os updates sooner with nexus.
3) nexus doesn't have obsolete dedicated buttons.
Two good choices either way though. My only heartache is why does vzw charge 100 more for their premium phones than att and sprint?
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TxGoat
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I don't think I'll run my phone consistently at the edge of its capabilities so I doubt I'll notice any gains in performance by having a "bloatware-less" phone.
http://androidforums.com/galaxy-nexus-all-things-root/440676-bloat.html
My phone's been rooted for about 90% of the time I've owned it so I don't think this will be a big deal for me. Besides, I typically see, "After upgrading to ______ my phone won't _______" threads after an upgrade so having the latest and greatest Android isn't absolutely a must for me.
From what I heard you'll be able to turn the on-screen buttons off on ICS so while the extra real estate would be nice, it's not that big for me.
You have to admit though, it beats seeing a phone released on AT&T or Sprint and not having it available on Verizon for a few months after they've already come out on the other 2 big carriers. So the heavy hitters on Sprint and AT&T are $199 with a 2 year contract?
Sandroidfan
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If you are rooting expert and can pretty much have google experience on any android phone, making them bloat free, then you are right. Nexus is nothing special to you except some hardware spec like first HD SAMOLED screen, OMAP 4460 processor. But not everyone is like you and willing to go through the trouble of rooting, roming to get the pure Google ICS experience that Nexus provides.
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TxGoat
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That's all I wondered, I just wanted to know if it was a legitimate reason for me to look further into the Nexus. I figured it was like someone trying to convince me that the "Beats" on the Rezound actually added value to the phone. I personally don't think it does, but I'm sure there's someone out there that is all bonered out over the Beats function. For me one of the more important factors is 4G signal quality. I've heard that while the Rezound uses an older version of the LTE than the Razr or the Nexus that it actually has better 4G signal quality. Granted I haven't seen anything definitive, just a few reviews where they claimed 4G on the Rezound was better than on the Razr.
It's definitely quite the dilemma, but I can't remember having this good a dilemma on Verizon's network.
Sandroidfan
Android Expert
It seems like hardware matters more to you since you are experienced rooter. I'm quite surprised on that report Rezound gets better 4G reception than Razr. I personally don't like HTC because theirs have poor record on battery life and reception, especially Tbolt. I don't like their bulky form factor and dim screen either. And Razr users seem to rave about its 4G better than Bionic on Razr forum. So it will be interesting to see how their battery, 4G reception fare once all three phones are out. I hope GNex doesn't disappoint in these parts.
Neither does everyone want and need the latest stock Android experience.
The Rezound is shaping up to be a very worthy phone for a different audience than the Gnex.
Different sizes, different screen techs, but both are HD.
Different speeds and processor techs but synthetic benchmarks put them in the same class, striking distance of each other.
Great LTE performance on the Rezound, along with battery life. Both are unknowns apart from insiders on the Gnex.
I am seeing a lot of speculation in these comparison comments - this isn't the why HTC drools and AOSP rules thread.
The Rezound ain't your daddy's HTC (except for progressive daddies
). Let's keep it friendly and about Rezound vs Gnex.
Both are plenty worthy without rooting and tinkering, both are likely to prove to be fun to root and hotrod.
socarwolverine
Well-Known Member
I would also keep in mind that Nexus devices typically have a better history of long term support, as far as updates go, than non-nexus devices. You're more likely to keep getting official updates where the other phones usually stop after one, if they get any at all.
But again, since you root this may not be a big deal to you, but this is huge for people who don't or can't root their phones.
moondrius
Android Enthusiast
Just because a phone is rooted does not mean you are going to see the newest software build on them. It takes a lot of work to build a rom without source. A lot of aosp roms on skinned devices have some issues like gps not working or bluetooth issues. Having the Nexus gives you a pure aosp experience that does not feel like it is hacked on.
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TxGoat
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Yeah, those damn rooters in the Thunderbolt section sneezed on me and got me all infected with the rootitis....
I wouldn't mind a pure google experience but Verizon's always changing something with their updates (and it's not always for the better) so I figured I'd open myself up to more choices as far as roms go. It feels a little liberating knowing that I don't have to swallow what big red decides to throw at my phone.
rexdog1888
Android Enthusiast
Nexus device would mean it isn't vzw giving you updates, its Google directly