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Galaxy Nexus Watering Hole

breadnatty08 said:
Chief, you counting down the days for your Note 3?
Looking to root/ROM it or run with stock for a bit?
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How do you count days down when you don't know how many there are? Tough to do when Verizon keeps messing with the date...

I have every intention of staying stock. What will I run? Vanilla Android? Done that for 4 years now. I guess I'll try the stock software for awhile :)
 
@bread, had some issues with 4.3 and root, but not for a few weeks. Just hate how Google changed how and when root can be had.
 
blkbeltkid17 said:
wow I have been away TOOO long how and when did this happen ???
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Which one? 4.3 or Google dictating root?

WHEW! Church this morning and then I'm OFF the rest of the day! :D
Unless I get 1,000 phone calls and emails, of course... so much for retirement! :rolleyes:

So MAYBE - just MAYBE I can spend time with my favorite online family here at AF. I'll pop around doing some Mod stuff, but mostly I'll be here (I have 8 AF tabs open at the same time). Have a great rest of the weekend!

:)
 
Just finished 10.18 miles. Kicked my butt as I haven't ran in 3 weeks because I've been out of town.

...exhausted...
 
In 4.3, root has to run at "daemon" during boot or something of that nature. So it's implementation is fragile and more challenging for devs. This is why it is easier to break root in 4.3.

Google is responsible.

That is my understanding.

:/
 
Just reinforces my opinion that the era of rooting & ROMming is quickly coming to an end. Android is maturing, carriers make a fortune on bloatware, and lose a fortune in warranty work from folks who root their phones and then brick them. As much as none of us want rooting and ROMming to go away, we're on the wrong side of history, I fear... and ROMs will soon be relics of days gone by.

:(
 
jmar said:
In 4.3, root has to run at "daemon" during boot or something of that nature. So it's implementation is fragile and more challenging for devs. This is why it is easier to break root in 4.3.

Google is responsible.

That is my understanding.

:/
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Google implemented important security features in 4.3 - done to protect us, not break root -

https://viaforensics.com/mobile-security/android-4-3-thoughts-insights-pof-pau-oliva.html

Chainfire addressed this. Here's his exploratory effort for the leaked Samsung S4 back in June -

https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z12rw1urfveawxfxm04cjl1aoor5ezninhc

Here's the current SuperSU thread -

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053

Proper root requires an unlocked bootloader. You can get that fully with a Nexus, and mostly with services provided by HTC or Motorola provided your carrier hasn't blocked it.

Everyone else is at the mercy of exploiting security holes to get root and the battle cry for those so affected is, once you get root never take an operating system OTA because you may lose root, either for quite a while or for good.

And what does common sense say about Android security if the accepted action for gaining root on many devices involves exploiting a security hole?

Exactly!

Google's updates make sense in my book.

And installing the latest SuperSU fixed the minor issues I experienced on 4.3.

Don't be afraid of the word daemon, it's a fundamental concept for *nix since the cave days.

So long as Android is based on Linux there must be root, that's the name of the administrator.

So long as Linux and Android continue to evolve, the privileged processes that dictate the users' perspective of root will evolve as well.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with The Chief - my opinion is that rooting and romming for us is like rock and roll:

It will never die. It was meant to be that way, yes I can say why. I don't care what people say, root and roms are here to stay.

Sha Na Na wouldn't lie.

"Sha Na Na - Rock and Roll Is Here To Stay (1969)" on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x8JH5vInNY
 
EarlyMon said:
Google implemented important security features in 4.3 - done to protect us, not break root -

https://viaforensics.com/mobile-security/android-4-3-thoughts-insights-pof-pau-oliva.html

Chainfire addressed this. Here's his exploratory effort for the leaked Samsung S4 back in June -

https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z12rw1urfveawxfxm04cjl1aoor5ezninhc

Here's the current SuperSU thread -

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053

Proper root requires an unlocked bootloader. You can get that fully with a Nexus, and mostly with services provided by HTC or Motorola provided your carrier hasn't blocked it.

Everyone else is at the mercy of exploiting security holes to get root and the battle cry for those so affected is, once you get root never take an operating system OTA because you may lose root, either for quite a while or for good.

And what does common sense say about Android security if the accepted action for gaining root on many devices involves exploiting a security hole?

Exactly!

Google's updates make sense in my book.

And installing the latest SuperSU fixed the minor issues I experienced on 4.3.

Don't be afraid of the word daemon, it's a fundamental concept for *nix since the cave days.

So long as Android is based on Linux there must be root, that's the name of the administrator.

So long as Linux and Android continue to evolve, the privileged processes that dictate the users' perspective of root will evolve as well.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with The Chief - my opinion is that rooting and romming for us is like rock and roll:

It will never die. It was meant to be that way, yes I can say why. I don't care what people say, root and roms are here to stay.

Sha Na Na wouldn't lie.

"Sha Na Na - Rock and Roll Is Here To Stay (1969)" on YouTube

Sha Na Na - Rock and Roll Is Here To Stay (1969) - YouTube
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Amen. :)
 
Way late to post this but I have to ask, in the lollipops video did anyone read along? I have been wondering about the line about half way through mentioning lollipop flavors of HUCKLEBERRY CHEERY AND RYE. Odd flavors that would give jelly belly a run for its money.
 
@Chief: When Early speaks, we are, often all wrong...;)

@Early: I have not a misunderstanding as to the whys behind root being more fragile/finicky. I'm happy for the security changes and am subscribed to Chainfire's XDA thread to keep informed.

However, thought I'd let you bore the WHers with the fine print of it all instead me...;)

Good job old chap...you fell right into my nerd trap...:D

And now I will await the noodle of shame...

;)

:rolleyes:

:vroam:
 
The_Chief said:
Just reinforces my opinion that the era of rooting & ROMming is quickly coming to an end. Android is maturing, carriers make a fortune on bloatware, and lose a fortune in warranty work from folks who root their phones and then brick them. As much as none of us want rooting and ROMming to go away, we're on the wrong side of history, I fear... and ROMs will soon be relics of days gone by.

:(
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I have sadly starting to notice this too but I will go back the nexus line soon and hopefully that will help my crackflashing
 
Where's BB and Cap't Ron when you need them?

Somewhere in the Note 3 Forum:

Did it seem large at first? No doubt. Does that feeling go away in a week's time? Yes. And the joy you'll feel of all its beauty will supersede any concerns you have over the size.
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:rolleyes:

Resisting, resisting, resisting...
 
Yeah I got served... TWICE in one day! And at my age!

But I know enough to defer to the expert, Halon :)


EDIT: I almost forgot...

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The Darling Bride & I got these at the local Chinese Restaurant several days ago, and I'm giving everyone fair notice right now: on December 6th, phones and computers will be OFF! Leave a message!

:D
 
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