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Galaxy S already outdated, Q4 here come dual core

`Ghost` said:
did you not see the smily face? did you not see how i extended the word ''stooooopid'' Dont get so butthurt buddy. Relax. we all love our vibrants!

If you were unable to detect the joking in my post, that i apologise. Let me rephrase my post


"Do you have proof it was a rumor? I'm really interested in this and I would like to know what the truth really is before i jump too much. Also, i find it highly unlikely that support will stop at 2.2"



Also, I do believe that was a personal attack, something that I have not done to you. +1 for maturity.
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Okay let me pull a `Ghost.` Here is me acting like `Ghost.`

"Personal attack, what personal attack? Didn't you see my smiley face? Don't get so butthurt"


See I wasn't attacking you, I put a smiley face, just like you did.


Ok, all in love.
 
`Ghost` said:
ah i did not know it was recommended specs, not actual needed specs.

And yes, not everything has to be a flame war. We're all on this forum because we all have one or more things that unite all of us together. Our phones, and android. Thus we are all friends. and friends dont fight....all the time.
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The only bad part is that once a fight -does- happen, we don't have a case of beer that we can all chill out with! Well, I always do since I'm a homebrewer (about to crack open a smooth "Deception Cream Stout", it's got hints of coffee and chocolate at first and finishes off with a caramel flavor. Very subtle, and very good for a stout), but the rest of you may be in a different situation.

I've always been a believer in (for those of us that are 21+) having a beer or other vivation before browsing forums. Granted, this isn't wise to do 90% of the time we're on forums, but it sure would mellow things down :D
 
howetechnical said:
The only bad part is that once a fight -does- happen, we don't have a case of beer that we can all chill out with! Well, I always do since I'm a homebrewer (about to crack open a smooth "Deception Cream Stout", it's got hints of coffee and chocolate at first and finishes off with a caramel flavor. Very subtle, and very good for a stout), but the rest of you may be in a different situation.

I've always been a believer in (for those of us that are 21+) having a beer or other vivation before browsing forums. Granted, this isn't wise to do 90% of the time we're on forums, but it sure would mellow things down :D
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You, sir, just made me go downstairs and grab a few Rolling Rocks...mmmm.

samsungvibrant, all love. *hug*
 
howetechnical said:
You know how it goes buddy, they announce the release early on, and then push that date back 2-4 months due to "manufacturing issues". Regardless, there's no way that those dual core 1GHz proc's will be even comparable in battery life to our Vibrants unless they make the devices thicker to fit a larger battery. Also, will they have our Super AMOLED screen? Hell no. Samsung said they won't even sell it to other company's until 2012, which I'm sure they'll push back to 2011, but still.

We've still got kick ass devices. The screens, battery life for what it's got inside, storage, RAM, etc etc will allow it to be a major contendor for at least 6 more months (I would estimate that it won't start going out of style for another year or so). It took Apple what, 4 years to get to the point that the iPhone 4 is at now? Our Vibrant kicks the iPhone 4's ass in every way after slightly less than a year of R&D by Samsung. Don't worry, technology doubles every year, and there will always be something new and "better" around the corner. But think of it in terms of how -you- value the device. Dual core 1GHz proc's won't do any good if you don't have the applications to take advantage of that, and I still wouldn't trade my AMOLED screen for a dual core just yet. When my mother in law comes over with her DroidX, I always think, "Damn...that screen looks like crap!". Sorry to you DroidX owners, but the Vibrant's screen is really, REALLY fantastic.

P.s., I'm sure T-Mo and Sprint will have the 2.2 update out on time, as Samsung really wants these GPS issues to be fixed (I'm sure T-Mo and Sprint do too). Don't worry about it. As us homebrewers say, "DWHAHB" which stands for Don't Worry, Have a Home Brew.
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Good points Howie...err...it's Justin? Damn, I keep wanting to call you Howie? Anyway as you said really THE most important part of a smartphone to me is the screen, and as we all know, the Galaxy S is the best there is, with the possible exception of the iphone 4, but it's so much smaller I personally feel the Galaxy's is heads and tails above it.

Sure, the computer geek in me gets all excited to hear about dual core cpu's coming to smartphones, but as someone else mentioned in this thread, a dual core cpu doesn't do much at all if the software can't take advantage of it. I think it will be a LONG while before we see apps that are working as they should on a dual core cpu. By then I'll be ready to upgrade from my Vibrant.
 
SamsungVibrant said:
Anyway, Moore's law is coming to an end. Moore's law had a good run in the 80's and 90's, but its surely dying now. Past 5 years computers haven't been getting any faster in terms of raw mhz, just adding more cores, which is really just cheating Moore's law. So basically, Moore's law died about 5 years ago.
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I'm going to post a link to Wikipedia's page on Moore's Law:

Moore's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Moore's law is not "coming to an end," it did not "die about 5 years ago," more cores is not "cheating" Moore's law, etc.

And by the way, we're "ahead" of Moore's law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transistor_Count_and_Moore's_Law_-_2008.svg

Take care,
 
Pseudo-unfortunately, I knew Moore's law due to my short stint in EE/CE prior to my knowledge of wikipedia (and possibly before it started? 2000 or so right?). It's a pet peeve of sorts, that it gets thrown out there in all sorts of tech articles/blogs that really don't use it appropriately.

As for concerns around how viable current hardware platforms are, well they are or will be obsolete shortly. But outside of a few uses that demand raw power (high end gaming, graphics/video work, and some other such uses), this obsolescence is transparent to the vast majority of users.
 
howetechnical said:
The only bad part is that once a fight -does- happen, we don't have a case of beer that we can all chill out with! Well, I always do since I'm a homebrewer (about to crack open a smooth "Deception Cream Stout", it's got hints of coffee and chocolate at first and finishes off with a caramel flavor. Very subtle, and very good for a stout), but the rest of you may be in a different situation.

I've always been a believer in (for those of us that are 21+) having a beer or other vivation before browsing forums. Granted, this isn't wise to do 90% of the time we're on forums, but it sure would mellow things down :D
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Sir, your posts always make me very thirsty.
 
IanP said:
I'm going to post a link to Wikipedia's page on Moore's Law:

Moore's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Moore's law is not "coming to an end," it did not "die about 5 years ago," more cores is not "cheating" Moore's law, etc.

And by the way, we're "ahead" of Moore's law.

File:Transistor Count and Moore's Law - 2008.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Take care,
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Wow i didn't know wikipedia was the authority on everything. Maybe i should include wikipedia references in my research when i submit for publication so the science community can laugh at me. Wikipedia is wrong many time. Also my argument isn't the literal definition of Mr Moores law...its how engineers in san Jose silicon valley used the term in the 80's and 90's in which mhz was proportionally related to number of transistors. Clap for u...u can use Wikipedia.:rolleyes:
 
LOL

im neither too excited nor insecure about these new processors coz im stuck with my vibrant for at least a year and a half, or more.. i'll get the orion with with milk when the time comes.. :)

funny stuff..lol
 
hell i believe that even two years from now, the vibrant and galaxy s phones will still be, for the most part, contemporary and snappy. im not worried, and neither should you.
 
Why is that surprising? Technology is a never ending process. With that said, how is it outdated when the phone isn't out?
 
SamsungVibrant said:
Wow i didn't know wikipedia was the authority on everything. Maybe i should include wikipedia references in my research when i submit for publication so the science community can laugh at me. Wikipedia is wrong many time. Also my argument isn't the literal definition of Mr Moores law...its how engineers in san Jose silicon valley used the term in the 80's and 90's in which mhz was proportionally related to number of transistors. Clap for u...u can use Wikipedia.:rolleyes:
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(toots own horn) As an microelectronics engineer turned materials scientist (PhD - specializing in electronic materials and plasma physics) I can assure you that Wikipedia is accurate in its Moore's law discussion. If you need any further information, please refer to pretty much any semiconductor textbook, review paper on semiconductor innovation, or the ITRS roadmap - which loves to go on and on and on about Moore's law in every year's release. And no, engineers in Silicon Valley didn't/don't refer to MHz, but to components. Moore's law has always been dependent on minimum feature size (and now, especially in the memory market, on things such as multi-level processing and other more peculiar tricks) and that is the benchmark for most Moore's law references by device and circuit engineers.

I wasn't going to say anything, but you seem to really want to argue with everyone on here about it and just don't know what you are talking about...
 
WxAxGxS said:
(toots own horn) As an microelectronics engineer turned materials scientist (PhD - specializing in electronic materials and plasma physics) I can assure you that Wikipedia is accurate in its Moore's law discussion. If you need any further information, please refer to pretty much any semiconductor textbook, review paper on semiconductor innovation, or the ITRS roadmap - which loves to go on and on and on about Moore's law in every year's release. And no, engineers in Silicon Valley didn't/don't refer to MHz, but to components. Moore's law has always been dependent on minimum feature size (and now, especially in the memory market, on things such as multi-level processing and other more peculiar tricks) and that is the benchmark for most Moore's law references by device and circuit engineers.

I wasn't going to say anything, but you seem to really want to argue with everyone on here about it and just don't know what you are talking about...
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I'm pretty sure he was referring to the credibility of Wikipedia in the professional world, as no university or business would allow that to be a source in any kind of document to be published or submitted. However, I must give you props on your knowledge of the technical aspects presented. I always love gleening information from those smarter than me in their areas of study!
 
Wikipedia gives sources. If you don't believe what they say, check their sources so its still pretty informative for the most part.
 
vud911 said:
Wikipedia gives sources. If you don't believe what they say, check their sources so its still pretty informative for the most part.
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That's not the problem: I've found Wikipedia to be incredibly accurate on most things. The problem is, universities and companies don't accept Wikipedia as a credible source, since litterally anybody can modify the records. I'm in a master's program right now, and I'm not allowed to use Wikipedia for any research sources, which is a common practice among all universities (community colleges probably allow it, but that's not a university). Furthermore, companies want published documents to be sources, as well as many online venues, but no Wikipedia.

Just a refresher here, we're not arguing the legitimacy of Wikipedia's information. We're saying that the professional world doesn't allow it to be used for professional work.
 
howetechnical said:
Just a refresher here, we're not arguing the legitimacy of Wikipedia's information. We're saying that the professional world doesn't allow it to be used for professional work.
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I regularly cite the sources that are used in Wikipedia articles. That's the way to do it -- don't cite the article itself :)

Ian
 
IanP said:
I regularly cite the sources that are used in Wikipedia articles. That's the way to do it -- don't cite the article itself :)

Ian
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This. Also, 9 out of 10 on the Troll'o'meter for the OP. This is how it's done folks, watch and learn. Linking to references that support or loosely provide facts related to outrageous and controversial claims is the mark of a true pro.
 
howetechnical said:
That's not the problem: I've found Wikipedia to be incredibly accurate on most things. The problem is, universities and companies don't accept Wikipedia as a credible source, since litterally anybody can modify the records. I'm in a master's program right now, and I'm not allowed to use Wikipedia for any research sources, which is a common practice among all universities (community colleges probably allow it, but that's not a university). Furthermore, companies want published documents to be sources, as well as many online venues, but no Wikipedia.

Just a refresher here, we're not arguing the legitimacy of Wikipedia's information. We're saying that the professional world doesn't allow it to be used for professional work.
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I know they don't, just hit up the source and grab the information from the source links is what I'm trying to say ;). They will probably accept it from there.
 
SamsungVibrant said:
I wanted this phone to be the latest and greatest for at least 6 months.
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Well that dont matter to me. Im not one to have to have the latest and greatest and you knew something new was around the corner. Hec i knew before i bought my Vibrant that a 1.5 Ghz processor was being talked about by the end of the year.
I dont really like signing two year contracts because i think that is too long to get an upgrade but what can you do? Pay full price i guess.

Your never going to have the latest and greatest for long.
 
IF you constantly wait for the best thing, you'll be waiting forever. because right when the newest thing comes out, right around the next turn is something better. And in the world of technology, you learn that quickly, or you dont survive long.
 
The next Samsung phone sporting Orion will not be out this year. You guys need to calm down, over here posting essays like anyone wants to read all that.

Technology is always improving. I'm saving my money up now for the next generation of hardware.
 
yeah, didn't I just read from an article on this site that the next Dual core 1.5 won't be out till mid to late 2011? Correct me if wrong, but I remember reading that yesterday?
 
I'm just glad it wasn't obsolete before I got it out of the store, and I just bought it ten days ago.

More than enough phone for me for now. There's always something better out there. Just think, when you buy your next phone, someone somewhere will be cursing the fact that yours is the "latest thing..."

Enjoy your phones.
 
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